Every post you've made today has been spot on.


But did you look at his Corsi and PDO?
- MJL

Ha! I am sure you and I will do the dance again, but Sanheim played his way out of the lineup on merit

Did he need to sit for a month? Maybe not, but what do people expect the coach to do? Run Sanheim out there knowing he wasn't going to get the job done?

None of that has anything to do with being risk averse. It's simply using veteran role players while the team drafts and develops replacements. It's something that every team does at one point or another.
- MJL

All the points I have been making is that he waits too long before pulling the trigger; thus, making him risk averse. I'm sure you disagree with that though as you seem to think Sanheim playing ~17 games in the AHL was the cornerstone to his NHL readiness and shaped him into the NHL ready player he is today. Again, we'll agree to disagree.

You do remember why they called up Ghost, right? Injury... It's the playbook for this organization to get a younger guy into the lineup. What if Streit never went down? Do the flyers even make the playoffs? Clearly they didn't think Ghost was ready; it turned out he was massive upgrade over a safer veteran player, maybe not Streit, but surely Manning, Medvedev, or Del Zotto. They made the playoffs because someone got injured not because of evaluating a younger player's abilities.

Same thing happened with Lindblom this year, that's their formula. I'm not sure how that isn't concerning...

You can be risk averse when it comes to personnel versus play-style. They're two different entities.

mfw MJL responded to this quote with "You were wise to give up on the last thread. I gave you no other choice". But he deleted it before I could quote it.


- Giroux_Is_God

Mods should do their job.

Well my evidence that you're full of it is the above. You need to do that instead of talking about Sanheim and you need to talk about me. That makes you a fraud.

My opinion is that Manning was playing better and that Sanheim was not playing well away from the puck and his confidence was deteriorating along with his deteriorating game

The simple fact that the coach saw the same thing, reduced his minutes, and ultimately removed him from the lineup supports my opinion.
- MJL

and you wonder why people dont like you, why would they. I am glad you and Hak see the same thing, I wont go back through the conversation we had months ago, the stats that showed Sanheim wasnt, if at all worse than Manning, just the coach trusted him more and the real deal, Sanheim wasnt going to get the minutes, so sending him down want the right call. You and the coach,you crack me up. Let me know when you have an original thought, that is what I call a win/win, you never will and I wont have to hear from you

You’d be better off arguing with a brick wall, at least the wall doesn’t talk back.
- BiggE

it entertains me, he is a mental midget

All the points I have been making is that he waits too long before pulling the trigger; thus, making him risk averse. I'm sure you disagree with that though as you seem to think Sanheim playing ~17 games in the AHL was the cornerstone to his NHL readiness and shaped him into the NHL ready player he is today. Again, we'll agree to disagree.

You do remember why they called up Ghost, right? Injury... It's the playbook for this organization to get a younger guy into the lineup. What if Streit never went down? Do the flyers even make the playoffs? Clearly they didn't think Ghost was ready; it turned out he was massive upgrade over a safer veteran player, maybe not Streit, but surely Manning, Medvedev, or Del Zotto. They made the playoffs because someone got injured not because of evaluating a younger player's abilities.

Same thing happened with Lindblom this year, that's their formula. I'm not sure how that isn't concerning...

You can be risk averse when it comes to personnel versus play-style. They're two different entities.
- flyers20032002

But that's selective -- they had no problems with Provorov and Patrick making the team in their draft years. You can't say they always wait for people to get hurt when TK made it his plus-1 year onto the opening night roster last year

I am not saying that I agree with every single thing they do. But it's not like they wanted to send Lindblom down. They wanted him to make the team out of camp, and he just didn't. When they bring him back, we can debate forever, but it's not like they wanted to send him down or send Sanheim back

When Sanheim got the hook from the lineup, he had gone from decent play-driving results with occasional mistakes that wound up in his net to a player who you couldn't put out on the ice because he was reading the game pretty freaking poorly.

He looked freaking soft out there. He wasn't playing a man's game. He was playing a kid's game, and that was why he got the hook.

Nobody thinks Manning is a long-term answer. But there was a stretch of games where he was clearly more competent and competitive than Sanheim.

Yeah, Hakstol has to care about development. But he also needs to win hockey games. Sanheim dropping his stick defending a rush, getting lost in coverage and playing soft and tentative isn't helping anyone do that.

He needed more time in the AHL. He really did
- AllInForFlyers

I don’t remember him being that bad, other wise He would have been sent back a hell of lot sooner then he was. I remember a rookie making some bad decisions, and I thought sitting him down for a bit was justified. I didn’t like him not playing for that long a stretch considering the guy that replacing him wasn’t playing all that well....and the fact that the guy replacing him was probably playing that way because that’s his level of talent. It pretty clear he outplayed the AHL talent in his most recent demotion, I would have preferred he got the chance to work through his issues with the big club....but he’s back, now and hopefully he continues to improve.

(frank)...is he good or what.
- landros 2

for a dirty rat-faced (frank) POS, yes

But that's selective -- they had no problems with Provorov and Patrick making the team in their draft years. You can't say they always wait for people to get hurt when TK made it his plus-1 year onto the opening night roster last year

I am not saying that I agree with every single thing they do. But it's not like they wanted to send Lindblom down. They wanted him to make the team out of camp, and he just didn't. When they bring him back, we can debate forever, but it's not like they wanted to send him down or send Sanheim back
- AllInForFlyers

Yes, it was selective in terms of mistakes I think they made with younger players - one of my original points with MJL was they have no formula. Their decision making is rife with inconsistency and I don't understand it at all.

I don’t remember him being that bad, other wise He would have been sent back a hell of lot sooner then he was. I remember a rookie making some bad decisions, and I thought sitting him down for a bit was justified. I didn’t like him not playing for that long a stretch considering the guy that replacing him wasn’t playing all that well....and the fact that the guy replacing him was probably playing that way because that’s his level of talent. It pretty clear he outplayed the AHL talent in his most recent demotion, I would have preferred he got the chance to work through his issues with the big club....but he’s back, now and hopefully he continues to improve.
- landros 2

We can agree to disagree. I totally understood when Hakstol gave him the hook. I might not have sat him for that long, but yeah, I would've sat him

Sheesh and now it's 3-2 Bruins.
- Pixote Andolini

Jackets tie the game 3-3. Also they scored their second goal on an uncalled icing.

We can agree to disagree. I totally understood when Hakstol gave him the hook. I might not have sat him for that long, but yeah, I would've sat him
- AllInForFlyers

sitting someone is a good tool to use, i dont blame Hak for sitting him 9 game, they just kept winning, it would have been hard to get him back in.

Her needed to go back, do i think after seeing Manning make so many rookie mistakes , they could called SAnheim up earlier? yeah but easy for me to say from here.

All the points I have been making is that he waits too long before pulling the trigger; thus, making him risk averse. I'm sure you disagree with that though as you seem to think Sanheim playing ~17 games in the AHL was the cornerstone to his NHL readiness and shaped him into the NHL ready player he is today. Again, we'll agree to disagree.


- flyers20032002

You're wrong and assuming incorrectly. The 17 games in the AHL got Sanheim to refocus on the areas he need to improve on and get his confidence back. This is backed up by Sanheim's own comments. The cornerstone to the player that Sanheim is now is his talent and skill level.

You do remember why they called up Ghost, right? Injury... It's the playbook for this organization to get a younger guy into the lineup. What if Streit never went down? Do the flyers even make the playoffs? Clearly they didn't think Ghost was ready; it turned out he was massive upgrade over a safer veteran player, maybe not Streit, but surely Manning, Medvedev, or Del Zotto. They made the playoffs because someone got injured not because of evaluating a younger player's abilities.

Same thing happened with Lindblom this year, that's their formula. I'm not sure how that isn't concerning...

You can be risk averse when it comes to personnel versus play-style. They're two different entities.
- flyers20032002

Hextall's core principle is to not rush players and that over cooking a young player in the AHL has never hurt a player and that rushing a player has. I agree with him and support that thinking. The success and signs that all of the young players are exhibiting is proof positive to this point that the Flyers methods of player development is working.

We can agree to disagree. I totally understood when Hakstol gave him the hook. I might not have sat him for that long, but yeah, I would've sat him
- AllInForFlyers

The last part we agree on.....players need to earn their ice time. It’s the NHL.

and you wonder why people dont like you, why would they. I am glad you and Hak see the same thing, I wont go back through the conversation we had months ago, the stats that showed Sanheim wasnt, if at all worse than Manning, just the coach trusted him more and the real deal, Sanheim wasnt going to get the minutes, so sending him down want the right call. You and the coach,you crack me up. Let me know when you have an original thought, that is what I call a win/win, you never will and I wont have to hear from you
- wcorvette

You're wrong, I don't wonder why. I don't care if people don't like me. When you keep it to hockey, so will I.

You keep making this ridiculous stats argument. As if both players were playing the same minutes, against the same players, with the same players, in the same situations. They weren't.

You're also back to this asinine original thought sthick which is what you do when you don't have an effective argument.

for a dirty rat-faced (frank) POS, yes
- KINGKENZO

Jackets tie the game 3-3. Also they scored their second goal on an uncalled icing.
- Pixote Andolini

Jackets dominating the injury-riddled Bruins. Jackets score and from trailing 3-1 late in the 2nd are now up 4-3 with 8:30 left.

Jackets dominating the injury-riddled Bruins. Jackets score and from trailing 3-1 late in the 2nd are now up 4-3 with 8:30 left.
- Pixote Andolini

Oh snap! Bruins tie it back up 20 seconds later. 2nd generation Bruin Donato with a 3 point game in his NHL debut.

But that's selective -- they had no problems with Provorov and Patrick making the team in their draft years. You can't say they always wait for people to get hurt when TK made it his plus-1 year onto the opening night roster last year

I am not saying that I agree with every single thing they do. But it's not like they wanted to send Lindblom down. They wanted him to make the team out of camp, and he just didn't. When they bring him back, we can debate forever, but it's not like they wanted to send him down or send Sanheim back
- AllInForFlyers

The Flyers focus with the young players is not if they can make an upgrade on this years team. They know that none of them will elevate the team to a true contender. Their clear focus and priority is on what they feel is the best for the player and his development. In terms of Lindblom they wanted him to play top minutes on a top line in the AHL versus playing a lower 3rd line role in the NHL. They want to get the maximum out of a player. They wanted him to get a high level of confidence and become more of an attacking offensive player versus just being a checking winger at the NHL level. All the evidence again points to the Flyers methods working well.

SO im watching a highlight clip of the E Train on YouTube.
I honestly dont know how he didnt kill Rob Dimaio on that hit where he drove his head into the ice.

Yes, it was selective in terms of mistakes I think they made with younger players - one of my original points with MJL was they have no formula. Their decision making is rife with inconsistency and I don't understand it at all.
- flyers20032002

That's false and your method of determining that is flawed. Every player is an individual, at different levels of development, and different levels of current ability. The players level of play determines how the player is used, in what situations they play in, and how much they play. It is by it's nature, inconsistent. For example they used Provorov as their top defenseman as a 19 year old player straight out of juniors. Does that mean they should treat every defenseman they draft high the same? Or should they let the players maturity, skill level, and current ability dictate that?

They clearly have a formula and a base philosophy and more importantly, it is clearly working very well.

SO im watching a highlight clip of the E Train on YouTube.
I honestly dont know how he didnt kill Rob Dimaio on that hit where he drove his head into the ice.
- opeth_pa

Yeah could have easily been another Bertuzzi moment.

God damn it! No one helped us tonight. Cbj won and Florida winning.

That's false and your method of determining that is flawed. Every player is an individual, at different levels of development, and different levels of current ability. The players level of play determines how the player is used, in what situations they play in, and how much they play. It is by it's nature, inconsistent. For example they used Provorov as their top defenseman as a 19 year old player straight out of juniors. Does that mean they should treat every defenseman they draft high the same? Or should they let the players maturity, skill level, and current ability dictate that?

They clearly have a formula and a base philosophy and more importantly, it is clearly working very well.
- MJL

Every player is different, has different skill levels, and develops at different paces - thank you for clarifying that. I never said Sanheim was ready at 19 like Provorov. My analysis is based on how the player is playing in whatever league they're in before the NHL. Sanheim had demonstrated he had progressed passed the AHL. Lindblom spent multiple seasons playing against grown men in Sweden and played at high-level. How is this analysis flawed? Oh, because you said so --- night bud...

Well my evidence that you're full of it is the above. You need to do that instead of talking about Sanheim and you need to talk about me. That makes you a fraud.

My opinion is that Manning was playing better and that Sanheim was not playing well away from the puck and his confidence was deteriorating along with his deteriorating game

The simple fact that the coach saw the same thing, reduced his minutes, and ultimately removed him from the lineup supports my opinion.
- MJL

Again well said MJL , what he isn’t understanding is play at the time, just like some not very smart posters refer to glue and veteran which has nothing to do with who was playing. When Sanheim went down he was brutal ,at this time he is playing well. Manning is a 6/7 defensemen, we are healthy so he’s a healthy scratch, ready to go when needed again. Nothing to do with veteran or management of rookies, look at Hagg and Provy for an example they play every game,hopefully Sanheim can continue to play well.