I read your response & without going back into it' it's not a srtrawman arguement saying their ice time & QoC is just as important as their individual stats. If Knuckles (& Again I'm not defending him), is facing more time against better opposition then of course he will have worse stats - Knuckles & Rust for example. Put Rust more against the top guys & he may struggle aswell. I agree 130 GA compared to let's say 100, is pretty bad. The only thing that I'm not going to do is add up all the ice time for the players - (frank) that, I'm worth more than $1 an hour, & there's a FBBW waiting to get knocked down in my lounge room.

That's what I mean about having all the info. Quoting Corsi, Fenwick etc is great, but it doesn't tell the whole story. In my opinion GA Is THE most important stat when looking at PKers but you have to take into consideration ice time & opposition. So what if a player gets slaughtered in Corsi & he can't get out of his own zone, if his GA is zero or low that's what counts for moi.
- Aussiepenguin

I said it's a straw man because you haven't looked it up, you're just saying what if. Kuhnhackl doesn't consistently face the top PP. Neither am I saying use Rust that way.

If GA is what most matters, Kuhnhackl's is the worst. So you agree.

who gives a poop about those slouches. sid had his fair share of bad line mates and never had a GREAT teammate except for half a season with Hossa. mcdavid has (frank)ing draisaitl cuz the damn german can't handle his own line most of the time. also yes I know mcdavid and drai havn't played that much on the same line this year. with the way mcdavid is going he could easily break the 200 point in a season mark when he is 25
- martox

(frank) man, be careful. There's going to be a couple of comments rattling off Corsi & Fenwick per 60 rel that no one cares about because you're just having an episode!

I was saying that Lucic was doing a good job of slowing down McDavids scoring - if you didn't take it that's way.

Just put it this way. The Leafs fans will be spewing if McD gets the Art Ross. (You know he's not as good as Matthews ).

I said it's a straw man because you haven't looked it up, you're just saying what if. Kuhnhackl doesn't consistently face the top PP. Neither am I saying use Rust that way.

If GA is what most matters, Kuhnhackl's is the worst. So you agree.
- Tojo.

I left that for you.

But he still gets harder opposition than Rusty. 'What's the' ga was surprising, a fair few less than Tanger but I didn't bother looking at total ice time. If you get where I'm coming from with getting all the info I'll shout you a Coke Cola if you're in Sydney.

Edit: I did look at the ice times for playing opposition players as a comparison, Not the total ice time.

I left that for you.

But he still gets harder opposition than Rusty. 'What's the' ga was surprising, a fair few less than Tanger but I didn't bother looking at total ice time. If you get where I'm coming from with getting all the info I'll shout you a Coke Cola if you're in Sydney.

Edit: I did look at the ice times for playing opposition players as a comparison, Not the total ice time.
- Aussiepenguin

thanks for the low hanging group.

I'll agree with you Kuhnhackl has faced harder competition over the course of the season then Rust. Right now he's on the 2nd group so I'd just swap him and Rust so he still faces weaker competition. I don't even need Rust to be better even though I think he is, just close enough that it allows me to add a guy like ZAR or Simon over Kuhnhackl to the 4th line.

That's why I used GA60 it averages how many are given up for ice time so it evens out guys who play more.

Anyways, good talk Aussie. We've both stated our sides about as well as we can, so I'll let you have the last word I'd you want then just agree to disagree.

March: Three back-to-backs

February: Three back-to-backs

January: Three back-to-backs

November: Three back-to-backs

October: FOUR back-to-backs

This can't be normal. Basically every month except for December they've had three or more back-to-backs. Not to mention:

October: three of the four B2Bs were all road games.

November: two of them were all road games.

January, February & March: one of them were both road games.

People still think there's some kind of conspiracy wanting the Pens to win. One could argue they're trying to prevent the same team winning too much.

I randomly chose Boston's schedule to look like. Only two months of the season did they have more than one back-to-back.
- Rinosaur

Definitely not normal. 19 is way too many, compared to some teams who only have 9 or 10. It seems like as soon as teams finally catch up in games, it only takes a few days for the Pens to jump back to 2-3 games ahead of most teams again. Conspiracy theories aside, I'm not sure how they decide it, if the other events at Pittsburgh's arena have an impact? Maybe the March Madness games at their arena caused a few more B2Bs we wouldn't have seen otherwise? On the flip side though, the Penguins will have traveled the least amount of miles of any team when the season is over.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...est-schedules-in-2017-18/

Definitely not normal. 19 is way too many, compared to some teams who only have 9 or 10. It seems like as soon as teams finally catch up in games, it only takes a few days for the Pens to jump back to 2-3 games ahead of most teams again. Conspiracy theories aside, I'm not sure how they decide it, if the other events at Pittsburgh's arena have an impact? Maybe the March Madness games at their arena caused a few more B2Bs we wouldn't have seen otherwise? On the flip side though, the Penguins will have traveled the least amount of miles of any team when the season is over.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...est-schedules-in-2017-18/
- rjp4120

It was very odd when the schedule came out. Even more so when the stats were public and even put out by NHL a few weeks prior on the Pens being one of the worst teams in back to back games during the Crosby Era.

Mart murray "progressing" nicely. Hopefully we see him at Barclays.
Pens have also recalled Jooris from WBS

Slow day. Let's get talking.





The guys that were doing the micro stats said they can't do all the games because it's too time consuming. When they are recording their stats they are doing 1 thing - recording whichever piece of data they are assigned to at that time unless they are doing multiple sectors of data at the 1 time which would be more time consuming & prone to errors (in my opinion & experiences from recording game data from videos which I have done a lot of. I usually watch a game at least 3 times - 1 game)!

Unless you watch the game first without recording any data, you cannot see the game as it is nor get a feel for the game & how it flows. So you can watch a game 10 times more than let's say grinder, but unless you are watching it for pleasure you won't get any feeling for it.

A guy recording data - let's say Corsi, well I can record that, my mum can record that. Has nothing to do with having played the game or understanding it. Analytics is so big now I wouldn't mind betting uni students are getting $1 an hour to record some type of data so the bigger guys can get all the data collected & Not have to do it themselves.

#sweatshopanalytics
- Aussiepenguin

nah.

Mart murray "progressing" nicely. Hopefully we see him at Barclays.
Pens have also recalled Jooris from WBS
- DeflatedPucks

I'm hoping he doesn't end up playing, only because that would mean ZAR is back.

I'm hoping he doesn't end up playing, only because that would mean ZAR is back.
- Tojo.

I am leaning toward the affirmative.

I'm hoping he doesn't end up playing, only because that would mean ZAR is back.
- Tojo.

What does Jooris have to do with ZAR? I'm confused.

Mart murray "progressing" nicely. Hopefully we see him at Barclays.
Pens have also recalled Jooris from WBS
- DeflatedPucks

I'd almost rather let Jarry or DeSmith take the next two games since they're easier and have Murray rest a little more, and come back against NJD.

What does Jooris have to do with ZAR? I'm confused.
- Rinosaur

He's on emergency recall. If someone returns from injury he gets sent back down.

Nice to see Murray feeling better...

He's on emergency recall. If someone returns from injury he gets sent back down.
- Tojo.

ah gotcha

Dat Reaves hit tho

nah.
- j.boyd919

Are you 1 of those guys that they get to record the stats (1 of those Uni or college students getting a buck an hour)? I'm betting you probably are, maybe at a game sitting in front of a screen out the back of a stand or in a bus out back pumping out 1's or zeros.

Do they at least give you a hotdog at the end of it? Maybe a drink voucher with it? Seriously?

Are you 1 of those guys that they get to record the stats (1 of those Uni or college students getting a buck an hour)? I'm betting you probably are, maybe at a game sitting in front of a screen out the back of a stand or in a bus out back pumping out 1's or zeros.

Do they at least give you a hotdog at the end of it? Maybe a drink voucher with it? Seriously?
- Aussiepenguin

Are you 1 of those guys that they get to record the stats (1 of those Uni or college students getting a buck an hour)? I'm betting you probably are, maybe at a game sitting in front of a screen out the back of a stand or in a bus out back pumping out 1's or zeros.

Do they at least give you a hotdog at the end of it? Maybe a drink voucher with it? Seriously?
- Aussiepenguin

cool

Wonder if Haggerty will ever get a look (especially with the Rowney injury). Though I'm not sure he's even signed to an NHL deal.

Wonder if Haggerty will ever get a look (especially with the Rowney injury). Though I'm not sure he's even signed to an NHL deal.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

No NHL contract and probably for good reason.

What a depriving of Penguins games the past few weeks...sheesh...

What a depriving of Penguins games the past few weeks...sheesh...
- MattStrat

Yeah, but now they had five back-to-backs to finish out the season

No NHL contract and probably for good reason.
- Feds91Stammer

He'll probably get one for next year. I'm skeptical about his upside as well, but he might end up being a decent 4th liner or at least call-up depth.

Yeah, but now they had five back-to-backs to finish out the season
- Rinosaur

3 more but its still garbage...Ideally, for me anyway, is to have 1st secured by the 2nd last game of the season then rest the big minute munchers vs the Sens for the last game/2nd night of B2B...but...I'm not even sure thats possible due to call up limits and what not....