You have way more faith than I do. They're in a St. Louis style freefall right now, and I don't see them coming out of it any time soon.
- jmatchett383

I think if they survive this weekend with 2 points then get wins vs Det and the Rags it will sort itself out. If they don't find 6 of the 8 points it will be ugly.

You have way more faith than I do. They're in a St. Louis style freefall right now, and I don't see them coming out of it any time soon.
- jmatchett383

I see them coming out of it this weekend

Yeah, Gudas is definitely the problem on that pairing with Manning.
- Feanor

I mean that pairing lol. I was amazed Hakstol kept tossing em on the ice in the 3rd. Dumbfounded.

I mean that pairing lol. I was amazed Hakstol kept tossing em on the ice in the 3rd. Dumbfounded.
- Pixote Andolini

What else can he do play Prov-Ghost then AMac-Sanheim to death?

That's a recipe to bring out the AMac haters in droves.

I see them coming out of it this weekend
- YuenglingJagr

I really do hope so. But I just have zero faith in this team at the moment.

I truly do hope I am wrong.

I see them coming out of it this weekend
- YuenglingJagr

Yep



On a side note I'll be enjoying this weekend no matter what. Concert tomorrow night in the big house. Then Sunday's game in a suite. Happy early birthday to me!

Truth hurts but this team has been inconsistent for years. I'm starting to really think we need to lose one of G, Jake, Simmonds, Coots. It's their locker room they need to figure that poop out.
- dragonoffrost

The truth is the team has struggled because of its many bad players and the sub-standard coaching of Berube and Hakstol, not because of its few really good ones.

What else can he do play Prov-Ghost then AMac-Sanheim to death?

That's a recipe to bring out the AMac haters in droves.
- dragonoffrost

I would spot shift them. Play one of them with one of your top-4 players (i.e. Provorov with Manning, etc.).

The truth is the team has struggled because of its many bad players and the sub-standard coaching of Berube and Hakstol, not because of its few really good ones.
- Feanor

They struggled with Lavy too.. It's just forgotten because of 2010.

They struggled with Lavy too.. It's just forgotten because of 2010.
- dragonoffrost

The core under lavy was entirely different than under Berube hasktol.

They struggled with Lavy too.. It's just forgotten because of 2010.
- dragonoffrost

Lavy really got screwed once Pronger went down and the front office got caught with their pants down for never developing a d man worth a damn.

The core under lavy was entirely different than under Berube hasktol.
- Tfaehner

Lavi had this core for a bit too. He coached G,Jake, Coots & Simmonds. That's definitely the current core.

Lavi had this core for a bit too. He coached G,Jake, Coots & Simmonds. That's definitely the current core.
- hereticpride

You mean when they were one the best teams in the Nhl in 2011 or when they were still a middle of the pack playoff team in the lockout season ?

You mean when they were one the best teams in the Nhl in 2011 or when they were still a middle of the pack playoff team in the lockout season ?
- Tfaehner

Does that matter? You said he had an entirely different core when he also coached this one.

Does that matter? You said he had an entirely different core when he also coached this one.
- hereticpride

For the most part he did. Saying they struggled under lavy is not the truth. Most would say Jake who was a third liner same with simmer at this time were not core players only g was.

The core under lavy was entirely different than under Berube hasktol.
- Tfaehner

Well in 2012-2013 the following were here:
G
Jake
Simmer
Read
Coots
Manning
Laughton

And 2011-2012
G
Jake
Simmonds
Read
Coots
Manning

Haven't back read yet.

Has all of the sky completely fallen?

For the most part he did. Saying they struggled under lavy is not the truth. Most would say Jake who was a third liner same with simmer at this time were not core players only g was.
- Tfaehner

You might want to look at 2012-2013 again...

Well in 2012-2013 the following were here:
G
Jake
Simmer
Read
Coots
Manning
Laughton

And 2011-2012
G
Jake
Simmonds
Read
Coots
Manning
- dragonoffrost

So what you're basically saying is that they've been average to bad since Manning became a key part of the team?

/sarcasm

Haven't back read yet.

Has all of the sky completely fallen?
- Scoob

So what you're basically saying is that they've been average to bad since Manning became a key part of the team?

/sarcasm
- jmatchett383

You might want to look at 2012-2013 again...
- dragonoffrost

Would you say lavy did better in 11, 12 than hak and Berube did during their tenure yes or no?

So what you're basically saying is that they've been average to bad since Manning became a key part of the team?

/sarcasm
- jmatchett383

You have way more faith than I do. They're in a St. Louis style freefall right now, and I don't see them coming out of it any time soon.

Granted, I didn't watch most of last night as a matter of principle, but from the previous 8 games, and even the back-end of the 10-0-2 streak, they just haven't looked good enough to beat anything but bottom feeders with any sort of consistency.
- jmatchett383

The games against the Canes, Red Wings, Isles and Rags are gonna make or break em. 6 of the last 11 are against those teams. Win those games and get a loser point in 2 of the other 5 and they finish with 95 and are probably in. Any less than that and they are pretty much (frank)ed.

Couturier looks like a guy playing 22 minutes a night and facing 1st line checking for the first time in his career. I think he’s just out of gas and that really hurts them right now as this team badly needs it’s top 6 players to carry them.

Would you say lavy did better in 11, 12 than hak and Berube did during their tenure yes or no?
- Tfaehner

I think they had a much better, deeper, more balanced team in 2012 than they have had since.