Again Captain Obvious-

I said they need something to shake it up and break them out of their funk. Can you argue that the Gudas/manning pair has been the most challenged in the last 2 months? Of course not. This being a message board, I figured I put something out there we could discuss that at least had merit. I am sure we both agree there is no upgrade. The difference is marginal at best but it is marginal. I'll take the vet who has a cup and roll the dice.

Oduya is a 7th D and Manning? Yup really a 7th D

FYI- a 7th D is not just for injuries it is also for when they need to change up the D
- wcorvette

I'm fully aware of what you said. I'll make it as obvious as I can. Adding Oduya to the lineup with the reasoning that it could shake them out of their funk is not well thought out. We are discussing it.

FYI, when a GM brings in a player and states he was brought in to be the 7th defenseman that is the same as saying that he is not expected to play unless he has to. Ultimately that is up to the coach though.

My solution wouldn't be Oduya but I would break up that pairing.

Sanheim Gudas
Manning MacDonald

That being said, Sanheim is still playing jittery. Getting real tired about hearing how unlucky he is when his mistakes end up in the back of the net. I get he's a rookie and gets more leeway but if you're going to roast Manning under a microscope at least hold Sanheim somewhat accountable.

Hes had another opportunity to make himself a no brainer line up decision and again hasn't done it yet.
- Baxter27

Manning has been a mistake machine in his own end since the new year. Sanheim has been in the press box and Lehigh Valley. I think Sanheim has been better then both Gudas and Manning the last few games....with that said, that’s not exactly setting the bar high. Very few Rookie D come in and play with confidence. In a perfect world Sanheim could come in and be a bottom pair d behind 5 solid guys....but the Flyers don’t have that luxury.

I haven't seen Oduya play outside of the Flyers game so I have no idea if the 2018 version of Oduya is better than Manning but i do believe the reason why Ottawa waived him was because they are out of the playoffs and they didn't want to pay his salary/bonuses due. Of course it could also be mentioned no one wanted to trade for him so they had to waive him to unload the contract
- nastyflyergirl

The overwhelming majority of his salary was already paid.

I haven't seen Oduya play outside of the Flyers game so I have no idea if the 2018 version of Oduya is better than Manning but i do believe the reason why Ottawa waived him was because they are out of the playoffs and they didn't want to pay his salary/bonuses due. Of course it could also be mentioned no one wanted to trade for him so they had to waive him to unload the contract
- nastyflyergirl

He was moved for $....Melnyk is a cheap (frank). They also wanted the last 20 games to give the kids on the back end a chance to play....why not?

I'm fully aware of what you said. I'll make it as obvious as I can. Adding Oduya to the lineup with the reasoning that it could shake them out of their funk is not well thought out. We are discussing it.

FYI, when a GM brings in a player and states he was brought in to be the 7th defenseman that is the same as saying that he is not expected to play unless he has to. Ultimately that is up to the coach though.
- MJL

agreed unless he has to, 1 win in 6, current D pair is swiss cheese, you are right that is not even close to has to.

Define with any kind of facts "well thought out"? Note my suggestion also included shaking up the lines, SHAKE UP...

No I dont thing just manning is enough to shake it up, we agree there.

The overwhelming majority of his salary was already paid.
- MJL

I thought I had read the bonuses would have to be paid by his new team tho.

The overwhelming majority of his salary was already paid.
- MJL

his play on a bad team compared to Manning on a good team are???

I save some time, very comparable, he is actually 5 g 5 a 10 pt and a
+1 on a very very very bad team where EK was -25

agreed unless he has to, 1 win in 6, current D pair is swiss cheese, you are right that is not even close to has to.

Define with any kind of facts "well thought out"? Note my suggestion also included shaking up the lines, SHAKE UP...

No I dont thing just manning is enough to shake it up, we agree there.
- wcorvette

You didn't offer any facts, you just offered an opinion. In my opinion suggesting to insert Oduya into the lineup to break the Flyers out of their funk based on the facts of why the Flyers are struggling, is poorly thought out.

You didn't offer any facts, you just offered an opinion. In my opinion suggesting to insert Oduya into the lineup to break the Flyers out of their funk based on the facts of why the Flyers are struggling, is poorly thought out.
- MJL

I do appreciate your opinion and like the exchange

I do appreciate your opinion and like the exchange
- wcorvette

Same here. I just disagree with your reasoning. No more, no less. If I thought he was a better player, I'd be all for it.

Same here. I just disagree with your reasoning. No more, no less. If I thought he was a better player, I'd be all for it.
- MJL

not better, I think Manning has the physical skills over him but the IQ is Oduya.

Oduya on a bad team with EK being -25 was 5g 5a 10 pts and
+1

my gut tells me if Manning was there he wouldnt have as good as stats as Oduya did.

not better, I think Manning has the physical skills over him but the IQ is Oduya.

Oduya on a bad team with EK being -25 was 5g 5a 10 pts and
+1

my gut tells me if Manning was there he wouldnt have as good as stats as Oduya did.
- wcorvette

If a players physical skills are shot, it doesn't matter what his hockey IQ is.

If a players physical skills are shot, it doesn't matter what his hockey IQ is.
- MJL

again, for being shot he had 5g n 5 a 10 pts and +1 on a terrible team, you drop Manning on that team and it goes from from just passable 6th-7th D to???

they are the stats from this year while he has no skills left

Answer please?

your opinion on how Manning would have done?

again, for being shot he had 5g n 5 a 10 pts and +1 on a terrible team, you drop Manning on that team and it goes from from just passable 6th-7th D to???

they are the stats from this year while he has no skills left

Answer please?

your opinion on how Manning would have done?
- wcorvette

It's pure speculation and a waste of time. I have answered you multiple times. I cannot state it any simpler. I believe that Manning is a better player than Oduya is now. What is hard to understand about that?

It's pure speculation and a waste of time. I have answered you multiple times. I cannot state it any simpler. I believe that Manning is a better player than Oduya is now. What is hard to understand about that?
- MJL

nothing of course but the only facts we have is the play YTD, it is fair to consider the teams they played for, their stats and take an educated guess on they would have fared. let me give a little more data

Manning 6 g 10 a and 16 pts -2

Oduya 5 g 5 a 10 pts +1

Goal differential

Flyers -2 YTD
Sens -46 YTD

I get you believe Manning is better and you are welcome to that but the data at the very least tell a story that could very well make Oduya a better player so far this year

The real tragedy is that our 6thish D is even in the conversation with Oduya, someone you pretty called broken down.

What I think everyone would agree with? IF Manning was on the Sens his stats would be less than they are now. From what data I have, Oduya has played better than manning this year.

This is nothing serious, all of us are just speculating...

Just my opinion.

nothing of course but the only facts we have is the play YTD, it is fair to consider the teams they played for, their stats and take an educated guess on they would have fared. let me give a little more data

Manning 6 g 10 a and 16 pts -2

Oduya 5 g 5 a 10 pts +1

Goal differential

Flyers -2 YTD
Sens -46 YTD

I get you believe Manning is better and you are welcome to that but the data at the very least tell a story that could very well make Oduya a better player so far this year

The real tragedy is that our 6thish D is even in the conversation with Oduya, someone you pretty called broken down.

What I think everyone would agree with? IF Manning was on the Sens his stats would be less than they are now. From what data I have, Oduya has played better than manning this year.

This is nothing serious, all of us are just speculating...

Just my opinion.
- wcorvette

He's only in the conversation with Oduya because you brought him into it. You're not making a very sensible argument simply because you haven't even looked at all the numerous variables involved. None of the data that you have posted in anyway suggests that Oduya is better. He's simply not.

He's only in the conversation with Oduya because you brought him into it. You're not making a very sensible argument simply because you haven't even looked at all the numerous variables involved. None of the data that you have posted in anyway suggests that Oduya is better. He's simply not.
- MJL

well by all means, drop the knowledge on me???

FYI- I didnt bring him in, the fact that Manning plays poorly and Oduya is next in line brings him into the conversation.

Plus, yeah it was my initial comment to suggest to replace Manning.

well by all means, drop the knowledge on me???

FYI- I didnt bring him in, the fact that Manning plays poorly and Oduya is next in line brings him into the conversation.

Plus, yeah it was my initial comment to suggest to replace Manning.
- wcorvette

I think you know, or at least I would hope you would know all of the different variables involved. Then again based on the posts you made, maybe you don't actually know.