Neither should anyone else.
- MBFlyerfan

well you shouldn speak for anyone else.

I dont think Oduya is any better, the difference cant be much, I would give Manning youth and I would give Oduya Experience. Oduya had decent numbers on a terrible team.

that said I would only make th change to shake up the line up and try to get them out of the funk. I was ok against Boston and Vegas becasue the Flyers were the better team, against the Jackets they looked more like the team at the beginning of the losing streak.

manning and Gudas have been bad, there is no question to it, their body of work even when the Flyers were winning was spotty at best.

Neither should anyone else.
- MBFlyerfan

Lol, true

sadly

Hopefully when Hagg comes back, they’ll try:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-AMac
Hagg-Gudas

Also, with Read up a veteran slot should be open for the Phantoms. I’d waive and demote Weise and bring up Aubey-Kubel. They badly need more offense from the bottom 6 so I’d try:

G-Coots-TK
Lindblom-Patrick-Jake
Raffl-Laughton-Simmonds
Lehtera-Filppula-NAK

Hows it goink?

Lol, true

sadly

Hopefully when Hagg comes back, they’ll try:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-AMac
Hagg-Gudas

Also, with Read up a veteran slot should be open for the Phantoms. I’d waive and demote Weise and bring up Aubey-Kubel. They badly need more offense from the bottom 6 so I’d try:

G-Coots-TK
Lindblom-Patrick-Jake
Raffl-Laughton-Simmonds
Lehtera-Filppula-NAK
- BiggE

I do agree but by the time Hagg is back theyll be out, need somehting sooner. Unless SaNheim does something amazing they will sit him again over manning

I do agree but by the time Hagg is back theyll be out, need somehting sooner. Unless SaNheim does something amazing they will sit him again over manning
- wcorvette

They can try Oduya, but putting him in the lineup probably won’t do much to address their pk issues and it certainly won’t do anything to generate offense from the bottom 6

Can't be scared to let guys walk. I think Simmonds has been a good player and a warrior, but he doesn't play defense well enough to be on a shutdown checking unit and he doesn't score enough at ES, or drive play at ES, to offset concerns about age.

One of the most lethal down-low PP guys the Flyers have had, and also one of the toughest. Stand-up guy, it always sounds like.

But no. I don't think they should extend him. Sometimes, you just have to thank players for their service and move on -- they should probably try to move him at the draft, but I wouldn't be horrified if they let him play out the contract because he'll get 20 next year and they will need those 20 from somewhere
- AllInForFlyers

Seems like it would have been a good idea to trade him at peak value rather than at his nadir this offseason.

They can try Oduya, but putting him in the lineup probably won’t do much to address their pk issues and it certainly won’t do anything to generate offense from the bottom 6
- BiggE

Not sure I see him as an upgrade over Manning. Which says a lot.

Not sure I see him as an upgrade over Manning. Which says a lot.

- landros 2

we all agree he is not an upgrade but if he makes just 1 good read on a play and that helps the teams coverage it will help a little, coverage has been terrible.

maybe, just maybe Gudas will settle down and play his game and not try to do so much.

BIGGE-

agree doesnt help PK or bottom 6 but Manning doesnt either, in fact now the combination of Gudas and Manning is toxic for the bottom 6. When they are out there they should just shoot the puck into their own end, it will be there anyway.

well you shouldn speak for anyone else.

I dont think Oduya is any better, the difference cant be much, I would give Manning youth and I would give Oduya Experience. Oduya had decent numbers on a terrible team.

that said I would only make th change to shake up the line up and try to get them out of the funk. I was ok against Boston and Vegas becasue the Flyers were the better team, against the Jackets they looked more like the team at the beginning of the losing streak.

manning and Gudas have been bad, there is no question to it, their body of work even when the Flyers were winning was spotty at best.
- wcorvette

When you analyze the Flyers recent issues, it's pretty clear that replacing Manning with Oduya is not the recipe for getting them out of the funk. That's not very sound reasoning. Small sample so far of Oduya as a Flyer but based on that, the difference is significant.

When you analyze the Flyers recent issues, it's pretty clear that replacing Manning with Oduya is not the recipe for getting them out of the funk. That's not very sound reasoning. Small sample so far of Oduya as a Flyer but based on that, the difference is significant.
- MJL

sorry, but 1 game with new team can not even be used. All you have is his time with the Sens, which on a real bad team he wasn't bad. Manning stats on a much better team are comparable. That wasn't my point however, they need a shake up, they need to let players know, even if you are a vet you are accountable for your mistakes.

I never thought Oduya was an upgrade but i can sure make a case he is no worse than Manning and you have nothing besides Manning is in the lineup, a losing lineup, to show otherwise.

we all agree he is not an upgrade but if he makes just 1 good read on a play and that helps the teams coverage it will help a little, coverage has been terrible.

maybe, just maybe Gudas will settle down and play his game and not try to do so much.

BIGGE-

agree doesnt help PK or bottom 6 but Manning doesnt either, in fact now the combination of Gudas and Manning is toxic for the bottom 6. When they are out there they should just shoot the puck into their own end, it will be there anyway.
- wcorvette

I watched a few games this year while Oduya was there...he struggled. Like in Philly, they didn’t have many options. Agreed, they are simply bad in their own end. I do see where your thinking is on Manning-Gudas pairing, but I don’t think Oduya is an upgrade....hopefully they just play Manning less.

Edit: for what ever reason, Hak has decided to stick with Manning. Coaches call.

sorry, but 1 game with new team can not even be used. All you have is his time with the Sens, which on a real bad team he wasn't bad. Manning stats on a much better team are comparable. That wasn't my point however, they need a shake up, they need to let players know, even if you are a vet you are accountable for your mistakes.

I never thought Oduya was an upgrade but i can sure make a case he is no worse than Manning and you have nothing besides Manning is in the lineup, a losing lineup, to show otherwise.
- wcorvette

That's not a shake up, it's likely a downgrade. He was waived by Ottawa and Hextall has clearly stated that he was brought here to be a 7th defenseman. I can't see it being an upgrade or changing the Flyers fortunes and recent level of play. Lots of players have been making mistakes. Are you seriously thinking that putting Oduya in for Manning is what is going to get the Flyers out of their funk? How about the entire team manage the puck better, improve on clearing the puck, improve on coverage and find a way to score more goals. If Oduya can do all that, well then put him in.

I watched a few games this year while Oduya was there...he struggled. Like in Philly, they didn’t have many options. Agreed, they are simply bad in their own end. I do see where your thinking is on Manning-Gudas pairing, but I don’t think Oduya is an upgrade....hopefully they just play Manning less.

Edit: for what ever reason, Hak has decided to stick with Manning. Coaches call.
- landros 2

yeah I said about a month or two ago that if they didnt bring up any options they would be stuck with Gudas and manning, now it is to late and Oduya is it

Seems like it would have been a good idea to trade him at peak value rather than at his nadir this offseason.


- PhillySportsGuy

Keep him around for next year then let him walk. This team needs the competition for roster spots. Let the laczynskis, Lindbloms, etc come in and take spots away from the vets.

That's not a shake up, it's likely a downgrade. He was waived by Ottawa and Hextall has clearly stated that he was brought here to be a 7th defenseman. I can't see it being an upgrade or changing the Flyers fortunes and recent level of play. Lots of players have been making mistakes. Are you seriously thinking that putting Oduya in for Manning is what is going to get the Flyers out of their funk? How about the entire team manage the puck better, improve on clearing the puck, improve on coverage and find a way to score more goals. If Oduya can do all that, well then put him in.
- MJL

Again Captain Obvious-

I said they need something to shake it up and break them out of their funk. Can you argue that the Gudas/manning pair has been the most challenged in the last 2 months? Of course not. This being a message board, I figured I put something out there we could discuss that at least had merit. I am sure we both agree there is no upgrade. The difference is marginal at best but it is marginal. I'll take the vet who has a cup and roll the dice.

Oduya is a 7th D and Manning? Yup really a 7th D

FYI- a 7th D is not just for injuries it is also for when they need to change up the D

Keep him around for next year then let him walk. This team needs the competition for roster spots. Let the laczynskis, Lindbloms, etc come in and take spots away from the vets.
- Just5

Nah.

Gotta trade him. Could get a first rounder for him. Could help set the Flyers up for a bigger window

Again Captain Obvious-

I said they need something to shake it up and break them out of their funk. Can you argue that the Gudas/manning pair has not been the most challenged D pair in the last 2 months? Of course not. This being a message board, I figured I put something out there we could discuss that at least had merit. I am sure we both agree there is no upgrade. The difference is marginal at best but it is marginal. I'll take the vet who has a cup and roll the dice.

Oduya is a 7th D and Manning? Yup really a 7th D

FYI- a 7th D is not just for injuries it is also for when they need to change up the D
- wcorvette

yeah I said about a month or two ago that if they didnt bring up any options they would be stuck with Gudas and manning, now it is to late and Oduya is it
- wcorvette

Your 100 % correct on that. They decided that they we’re comfortable with what they had. Hextall had time...Hak and Hex talk every day. It’s not like there wasn’t guys available that could have provided an upgrade, but Hextall suggested the upgrade wasn’t much. I think Sanheim has provided an upgrade over both guys, but is still pretty green, I don’t expect a guy that has been in the press box and Lehigh Valley to make huge difference...that’s not fair....Teams chasing Philly made additions....the Flyers stood pat, so your right. This is the team.

Your 100 % correct on that. They decided that they we’re comfortable with what they had. Hextall had time...Hak and Hex talk every day. It’s not like there wasn’t guys available that could have provided an upgrade, but Hextall suggested the upgrade wasn’t much. I think Sanheim has provided an upgrade over both guys, but is still pretty green, I don’t expect a guy that has been in the press box and Lehigh Valley to make huge difference...that’s not fair....Teams chasing Philly made additions....the Flyers stood pat, so your right. This is the team.
- landros 2

I am pulling for Flip, Gudas and Manning. I want to be wrong and I hope they prove ne wrong tonight.

but the 2 biggest factors in this streak are...

not putting the puck in
and the 3 Amigos, Gudas, Manning and Flip

I was a big fan of the Flip trade, I just think players like him and Weise are no longer for the new young NHL

Weise can skate, has size but cant do that and make decision at the NHL pace
Flip has the tools and Hockey IQ but just doesnt have the quickness any longer

I am pulling for Flip, Gudas and Manning. I want to be wrong and I hope they prove ne wrong tonight.

but the 2 biggest factors in this streak are...

not putting the puck in
and the 3 Amigos, Gudas, Manning and Flip
- wcorvette

I even cheer for Weise when he’s in the lineup!!! I hope they get on a run and make noise in the playoffs....I hope Hak turns out to be an elite coach and helps turn this team into a cup contender every year for the next decade.

Again Captain Obvious-

I said they need something to shake it up and break them out of their funk. Can you argue that the Gudas/manning pair has been the most challenged in the last 2 months? Of course not. This being a message board, I figured I put something out there we could discuss that at least had merit. I am sure we both agree there is no upgrade. The difference is marginal at best but it is marginal. I'll take the vet who has a cup and roll the dice.

Oduya is a 7th D and Manning? Yup really a 7th D

FYI- a 7th D is not just for injuries it is also for when they need to change up the D
- wcorvette

My solution wouldn't be Oduya but I would break up that pairing.

Sanheim Gudas
Manning MacDonald

That being said, Sanheim is still playing jittery. Getting real tired about hearing how unlucky he is when his mistakes end up in the back of the net. I get he's a rookie and gets more leeway but if you're going to roast Manning under a microscope at least hold Sanheim somewhat accountable.

Hes had another opportunity to make himself a no brainer line up decision and again hasn't done it yet.

I am pulling for Flip, Gudas and Manning. I want to be wrong and I hope they prove ne wrong tonight.

but the 2 biggest factors in this streak are...

not putting the puck in
and the 3 Amigos, Gudas, Manning and Flip

I was a big fan of the Flip trade, I just think players like him and Weise are no longer for the new young NHL

Weise can skate, has size but cant do that and make decision at the NHL pace
Flip has the tools and Hockey IQ but just doesnt have the quickness any longer
- wcorvette

I might also add....leaky goaltending at in opportune times to the list of factors.

That's not a shake up, it's likely a downgrade. He was waived by Ottawa and Hextall has clearly stated that he was brought here to be a 7th defenseman. I can't see it being an upgrade or changing the Flyers fortunes and recent level of play. Lots of players have been making mistakes. Are you seriously thinking that putting Oduya in for Manning is what is going to get the Flyers out of their funk? How about the entire team manage the puck better, improve on clearing the puck, improve on coverage and find a way to score more goals. If Oduya can do all that, well then put him in.
- MJL

I haven't seen Oduya play outside of the Flyers game so I have no idea if the 2018 version of Oduya is better than Manning but i do believe the reason why Ottawa waived him was because they are out of the playoffs and they didn't want to pay his salary/bonuses due. Of course it could also be mentioned no one wanted to trade for him so they had to waive him to unload the contract

My solution wouldn't be Oduya but I would break up that pairing.

Sanheim Gudas
Manning MacDonald

That being said, Sanheim is still playing jittery. Getting real tired about hearing how unlucky he is when his mistakes end up in the back of the net. I get he's a rookie and gets more leeway but if you're going to roast Manning under a microscope at least hold Sanheim somewhat accountable.

Hes had another opportunity to make himself a no brainer line up decision and again hasn't done it yet.
- Baxter27

not sure 2 games with his ice time are a real chance yet. Last game he had he give away but with the right coverage in their D zone and that puck shouldnt go in. Sanheim is obvious in the O zone and made several nice break outs, under pressure from the D zone, long way to go for sure but ill take that over being hemmed in the zone for an eventual goal.

Keep in mind they put him in with the team losing in the middle of a playoff chase

I like you idea of splitting the Gudas pair up but does that then give them 2 suspect pairs? I cant see either one helping sanheim and we already ask to much of AMAC

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