What are not typical races?
- Rinosaur

Orange people.

2nd place is home court, son.

Plus, we don’t need home ice against Washington.
- Rinosaur

Washington fans pretty much expect them to fail against us so home ice has worked against them. I know we're a minority but I would also rather face Philly or Columbus then win the division. 6-9 is so close though that the Devils could be in that 2-3 match-up anyways.

Oh you must have missed all his rants back during the election. Dude was near psychotic towards anyone pro trump to just slander them and anything about them. Basically, if you are a white male, or a republican, Tanner was against you. So hes a racist :D
- Guile

If you're white, male, a midget, have your last name start with 's' and end in 'y' and play for the guins, I am against you.
No ragrets.

I dunno. Who's they?
- j.boyd919

Nah I was making sh!t up for the aussie the same time I was watching a Chef Boyardee pasta commercial.

Nah I was making sh!t up for the aussie the same time I was watching a Chef Boyardee pasta commercial.
- DeflatedPucks

Hahahaha, I do like to cook...

1.85 lbs of aged ribeye. Cooked to a perfect medium rare.

A post shared by Josh Boyd (@jboyd919) on Feb 7, 2018 at 8:10pm PST

EDIT: Well that's stupid. Supposed to be a pic of this fat medium rare aged ribeye I cooked a few weeks ago.

99.7% chance they make it in according to these guys. I like those odds...

http://www.sportsclubstat...ropolitan/Pittsburgh.html
- MattStrat

That's an interesting model. Sure I believe we will make it, I just noticed if teams win their games in hand, that cushion is only 4 points.

Even more surprising is Philly went from fighting for the division to having no cushion. They're tied with CBJ, 1 point ahead of NJ who has a game in hand and 4 in front of FLA but they have 3 games in hand.

Oh you must have missed all his rants back during the election. Dude was near psychotic towards anyone pro trump to just slander them and anything about them. Basically, if you are a white male, or a republican, Tanner was against you. So hes a racist :D
- Guile

I need to see the stats on that

Orange people.
- j.boyd919

Ohhhh, don’t get me started with THOSE people

What are not typical races?
- Rinosaur

Haha... now answering THAT would likely get me in trouble here. So no thanks, not going to pretend you're that stupid.

I need to see the stats on that
- Rinosaur

Well he had a SUPER high corsi, so the stats are in his favor.... just like they were for Hillary

Well he had a SUPER high corsi, so the stats are in his favor.... just like they were for Hillary
- Guile

So you're saying Hillary was just unlucky.

Goals against isn't a made up stat? Kuhn has been on the ice for the most PK goals against among forwards and has the 3rd most PK ice time. That's pretty cut and dry.
- j.boyd919

That really doesn’t mean poop actually. One of the teams penalty killers is going to be on the ice for the most power play goals against. Probably one of the ones that plays against the other teams 1st powerplay units. Nothing in hockey is cut and dry. Watch football.

So you're saying Hillary was just unlucky.
- Tojo.

Obviously, the hockey gods were not in her favor.

That really doesn’t mean poop actually. One of the teams penalty killers is going to be on the ice for the most power play goals against. Probably one of the ones that plays against the other teams 1st powerplay units. Nothing in hockey is cut and dry. Watch football.
- Grinder47

lol. Thank god that data is available and we can actually see who they play vs. on the PK.

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8474176

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475772

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475810

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475832

They pretty much play against the same level of competition.

lol. Thank god that data is available and we can actually see who they play vs. on the PK.

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8474176

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475772

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475810

http://naturalstattrick.c...te=n&v=o&playerid=8475832

They pretty much play against the same level of competition.
- j.boyd919

Ok does it show you who missed the coverage on the goal? How the play was set up? Whose man scored the goal? If it was one of those plays that was just a beaut and no ones fault? The things coaches actually look at.

Ok does it show you who missed the coverage on the goal? How the play was set up? Whose man scored the goal? If it was one of those plays that was just a beaut and no ones fault? The things coaches actually look at.
- Grinder47

Or how about how many goals we’re not scored because of a blocked shot did they invent a stat for that? No blocking shots is for hockey players and stat inventors care very little for actual hockey.

Or how about how many goals we’re not scored because of a blocked shot did they invent a stat for that? No blocking shots is for hockey players and stat inventors care very little for actual hockey.
- Grinder47

I'm not sure if you realize this, but the people who create these stats watch more hockey than probably anyone (aside from coaches/players/etc.). This whole "watch the game, nerd" thing with stat people is so far off base it's not even funny. Some of the guys who create these databases create them solely from watching the game and manually tracking events. Watching game tape over and over. (specifically @shutdownline and his 3-zone project.)

Or how about how many goals we’re not scored because of a blocked shot did they invent a stat for that? No blocking shots is for hockey players and stat inventors care very little for actual hockey.
- Grinder47

And to your questions, no they don't show that, because in the grand scheme of things, the bigger the sample size, the less anecdotal events matter. That's the point. Over an 82 game season, if you're going to see guys that when they're on the ice lead to more shots against, more goals against, etc. Do you really want them on the ice? Sure there are those occasions where the plays are tic tac toe beauties, especially on the PP.

Haha... now answering THAT would likely get me in trouble here. So no thanks, not going to pretend you're that stupid.
- Guile

I had to try and goad you into it a little haha

I can't beleive there's not one f'n weekend game... Not one.. No nights, no matinée...this season is possibly the dumbest Pens schedule I can ever recall.

I can't beleive there's not one f'n weekend game... Not one.. No nights, no matinée...this season is possibly the dumbest Pens schedule I can ever recall.
- MattStrat

It really has been odd. So many back to backs as well.

I can't beleive there's not one f'n weekend game... Not one.. No nights, no matinée...this season is possibly the dumbest Pens schedule I can ever recall.
- MattStrat

Was thinking the same thing. Moronic schedule, plus we have 3 more b2b's.

That really doesn’t mean poop actually. One of the teams penalty killers is going to be on the ice for the most power play goals against. Probably one of the ones that plays against the other teams 1st powerplay units. Nothing in hockey is cut and dry. Watch football.
- Grinder47

I only skipped through his links below but already a huge difference for me was the toi players faced against the opposition top guys.

Rust hasn't any where near the toi against Kucherov, Barzal, McDavid, Stamkos, Tavares Eichel - I stopped looking.

So the main players for an opposition team are the ones that will score the most you would think. Knuckles on the ice môre than Rust for example - some double the time according to the links when you play with the formulae. Coincidence? Maybe, or the coach puts the better attacker on the ice against the weaker PP unit. Rust is by far a better player than Knuckles in that respect - no stats to back my opinion up, sorry.

Also, if Crosby is getting scored on a lot because he is on the ice more than most, We accept that as he doesn't a lot of great things. But he is still getting scored on! The PK isn't a place where coaches are looking to score, if they can that's great. If they can spend the time in the O zone great - I doubt any coach wants to risk breakaways 4 on 5 though so defending is a major factor on the PK.

I'm not saying Knuckles is great, but people getting paid a lot of $$$$$ has the 2 time Cup winner doing it. It's people like boyd that think he knows more! (like shots on goal are a garbage stat ).

Nah I was making sh!t up for the aussie the same time I was watching a Chef Boyardee pasta commercial.
- DeflatedPucks

Leave it to the professionals numbnuts.

I can't beleive there's not one f'n weekend game... Not one.. No nights, no matinée...this season is possibly the dumbest Pens schedule I can ever recall.
- MattStrat

It must be something the organisations have agreed to. It's (frank)ing crazy. Don't play for a week then play a back to back. Ok that sounds fair!