I love how on you (and many others I might add) are absolutely right because of made up stats that really do not mean poop, and on the other hand the two time Stanley cup winning coach is wrong because you do internet research.
- Grinder47

The great part about Grinder47, is all stats are made up and fancy. Goals against? Those don't matter. Hockey is about being a man on the ice.

Well here's is your chance to show the stats - let's see them big boyd.

Past years stats (let's say the last 2 years when he was part of a Stanley Cup back to back winning team would also be a good reference don't you think?

So when we say Crosby has a lot of goals against 1 argument is that he's on the ice more than most right?

Edit: If you don't provide the stats it's ok, I'll take that as evidence that the stats don't support or they compromise your opinion a little.
- Aussiepenguin

Goals against/60 was in his original post. Did you even read?

Vic will defend him... he's the 5th best defenseman on our roster right now getting #1 minutes...
- hipcheck_goalie

LOL WUT.

Goals against/60 was in his original post. Did you even read?
- eNDSo

Dude just asks questions. That's it. He's a dolt. No point in wasting time with him. There's no "debating" with him because he just follows up with questions, not opinions, stats, or anything, just a bunch of "if's" and "when's". It's embarrassing.

Dude just asks questions. That's it. He's a dolt. No point in wasting time with him. There's no "debating" with him because he just follows up with questions, not opinions, stats, or anything, just a bunch of "if's" and "when's". It's embarrassing.
- j.boyd919

A dolt? Wow. My comments are usually backed by an opiñion, often not agreeing with yours which you get frustrated with!

A person that just relies on others to extract data from forms opinions based on others information - even if that's right or wrong. You always say when challenged about analytics that you can't rely on numbers alone, but a lot of what we all see on here are you basing a comment on numbers alone - arguing a point with numbers & numbers alone! Contradiction is a B.I.T.C.H.

So there's no ifs above, no buts & im not asking a question. A lot of my comments aren't questions just rebuttals of your comments. Stating 1 stat to support an opinion that is very vague but directly saying a nhl player sucks, or gets slaughtered, I guess opens a can of worms of you as a person. Jealously is a female dog. Live with what you have & don't see what others have & get angry. A lot of negativity is anger.

Or just (frank) off & watch baseball don't they have a lot of stats (oh no a question)

Goals against/60 was in his original post. Did you even read?
- eNDSo

Do you mean the, "almost 10 goals per 60" that Tojo commented??

If so yes I did read. And I read boyds response which just says he commented that.

So are we now stating 'almost' 10 goals per 60 is a legitimate stat to base an opinion on? Also 'not' in boyds original post!! (You better go read it again my friend).

Man, don't answer that, you don't need to!

(frank) me, some people just throw poop out there & don't expect to be made accountable for it! Or when they are they throw insults around.

Dude just asks questions. That's it. He's a dolt. No point in wasting time with him. There's no "debating" with him because he just follows up with questions, not opinions, stats, or anything, just a bunch of "if's" and "when's". It's embarrassing.
- j.boyd919

Remember that stat I quoted on the Tampa thread? Remember that 1, what was it again? That's right Shots on goal & we were comparing goalies.

Your response: shots on goal is a garbage stat!

Then a week later you were quoting shots on goal trying to impress someone with your knowledge of stats!

Good 1 boydy.


Edit: Just if you forgot, also kind of contradicts your attempt to demean my comments from your above dolt comment;

Nah there actually was on real data. Just you saying more or less shots. More or less games played. Stats similar. All that garbage. You actually provided no data.
- j.boyd919

You are a silly person Boydy.

Saw the shots on goal (No that's not a garbage stat ), at 1 stage the Habs about 7 shots & 2 goals or even 3 goals at 8 shots!

I really hope Muzza makes his return sooner rather than later. And the good Muzza, the Muzza that is a machine!

I like Jarry & Desmith, but I'm not sure either can take over anytime soon.

Edit: Can't really blame Jarry for the goals though. But you never know.

He had a ton of rubber on net tonight. He really stepped up.
- powerhouse

He looks to my unknowledgable eye he may be trying to adjust his game.

Do you mean the, "almost 10 goals per 60" that Tojo commented??

If so yes I did read. And I read boyds response which just says he commented that.

So are we now stating 'almost' 10 goals per 60 is a legitimate stat to base an opinion on? Also 'not' in boyds original post!! (You better go read it again my friend).

Man, don't answer that, you don't need to!

(frank) me, some people just throw poop out there & don't expect to be made accountable for it! Or when they are they throw insults around.
- Aussiepenguin

I was just trying to use an even number. It's 9.92 goals per 60 if you want the exact number. Don't think that changes anything from saying almost 10.

A dolt? Wow. My comments are usually backed by an opiñion, often not agreeing with yours which you get frustrated with!

A person that just relies on others to extract data from forms opinions based on others information - even if that's right or wrong. You always say when challenged about analytics that you can't rely on numbers alone, but a lot of what we all see on here are you basing a comment on numbers alone - arguing a point with numbers & numbers alone! Contradiction is a B.I.T.C.H.

So there's no ifs above, no buts & im not asking a question. A lot of my comments aren't questions just rebuttals of your comments. Stating 1 stat to support an opinion that is very vague but directly saying a nhl player sucks, or gets slaughtered, I guess opens a can of worms of you as a person. Jealously is a female dog. Live with what you have & don't see what others have & get angry. A lot of negativity is anger.

Or just (frank) off & watch baseball don't they have a lot of stats (oh no a question)
- Aussiepenguin

nah.

Remember that stat I quoted on the Tampa thread? Remember that 1, what was it again? That's right Shots on goal & we were comparing goalies.

Your response: shots on goal is a garbage stat!

Then a week later you were quoting shots on goal trying to impress someone with your knowledge of stats!

Good 1 boydy.


Edit: Just if you forgot, also kind of contradicts your attempt to demean my comments from your above dolt comment;



You are a silly person Boydy.
- Aussiepenguin

nah.

Schultz and Oleksiak are out worst pair right now. They don’t seem to be reading each other well.
- Thorny87

The below is from Jesse Marshall who IMO is the best at breaking down the Pens with both video and stats:

There's something brewing in the Pens defense that I've kind of been waiting all year for.

Justin Schultz is coming together and getting his game back at the perfect time. People don't talk about how off he was through the first half of the season, but that was a real thing.

Last night was another solid performance from Schultz. 21-4 in shot-attempts, 12-4 in scoring chances. Control of the game from top to bottom. Starting to see that a little more from him down the stretch

Personally, I like that pairing. I will agree with you that it's a little suspect defensively. Schultz isn't a mess, but it's not his strength either. I think some of Oleksiak's bad decisions get overlooked because he's still like a new shiny you, though he's improved a lot in his time here.

What I like is that it's a great pair at pushing the play in the other direction. Playing behind the Malkin or Kessel lines they should really tilt the ice most nights and not have to defend. They can do that with their 2nd pair because the Maatta-Ruhwedel duo is very solid defensively and doesn't need sheltered at all.

I was just trying to use an even number. It's 9.92 goals per 60 if you want the exact number. Don't think that changes anything from saying almost 10.
- Tojo.

I don't mind what's you said. It's the others reaction that should be in a MasterCard commercial.

I still think if you do quote stats then all stats should be quoted for objectivity. Plus a little on the eye test.

nah.
- j.boyd919

That's the way!

nah.
- j.boyd919

You deleted that stupid comment you made

Ok here it is again. Fool.

Nah there actually was on real data. Just you saying more or less shots. More or less games played. Stats similar. All that garbage. You actually provided no data.
- j.boyd919

What's wrong, embarrassed to own what you say?

You deleted that stupid comment you made

Ok here it is again. Fool.




What's wrong, embarrassed to own what you say?

- Aussiepenguin

wut.

I don't mind what's you said. It's the others reaction that should be in a MasterCard commercial.

I still think if you do quote stats then all stats should be quoted for objectivity. Plus a little on the eye test.
- Aussiepenguin

I'm not taking it personally, we're just having a discussion.

What stat would you have liked to see for objectivity?

Eye test is subjective which is why I use stats as well. My eye test says Kuhnhackl is a very brave penalty killer for how he blocks shots, yet due to his lack of footspeed he doesn't get where he needs to fast enough to pressure the PP leading to a lot of controlled zone time against. So I don't think he's a particularly good penalty killer despite his reputation as one.

But then if your eye test says he is, what do we have to discuss? So I point out he is on the ice for 9.92 goals against per 60 (note only used 4v5 data because I thought that was more fair). Contrasted against Sheahan 5.66 and Hagelin 5.77 (theirs rose slightly last night) and I don't see a guy earning his spot based on his penalty killing prowess. Especially since he usually goes against 2nd units while Sheahan and Hagelin usually go first.

I was at the bell center last night.. First pens game I have seen in years. It seemed like we were much more talented and had the puck 90 percent of the game, yet everyone the habs got 10 seconds of zone time they seemed to score it was ridiculous. Letang gave them goal 3. Had all day to get the puck out and tried to be fancy. What a beautiful thing tho watching the rink clear out after the empty net goal

Our PK is only clicking at 66.7% (10 goals against in 30 chances) since trading Cole. That's a real potential problem.

Remember that stat I quoted on the Tampa thread? Remember that 1, what was it again? That's right Shots on goal & we were comparing goalies.

Your response: shots on goal is a garbage stat!

Then a week later you were quoting shots on goal trying to impress someone with your knowledge of stats!

Good 1 boydy.


Edit: Just if you forgot, also kind of contradicts your attempt to demean my comments from your above dolt comment;



You are a silly person Boydy.
- Aussiepenguin

Is that why they call him 'big boyd'?

Our PK is only clicking at 66.7% (10 goals against in 30 chances) since trading Cole. That's a real potential problem.
- Tojo.

Has there been any change in 4v5 CA60 SCA60 or HDCA60 though?

It's been so weird watching Pens games lately. I honestly think the beginning of the season was a huge cup hangover and these guys were just emotionally gassed. They got the fire back in the game and now they're fighting somewhere in between.

I feel like they just want the playoffs to start already.

Our PK is only clicking at 66.7% (10 goals against in 30 chances) since trading Cole. That's a real potential problem.
- Tojo.

Don't get me wrong, special teams are important to a degree, but I think you ask any hockey expert they will all you it's a roller coaster ride. Even the teams with the best PK or PP go through some serious dips.

Cole was no doubt a good penalty killer, but he always wasn't out there every single PK minute. These things just come in waves.

I kinda feel bad for Jarry. MTL only registered 20 shots, but two of those goals were DEFINITELY not on him. The third? Ehhh, you could argue he could have had that, but it was such a bad breakdown by Letang.

Gotta love the RBK line. Rust definitely a good fit and you can see Brassard getting way more comfortable.