gravey914
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Location: Yaphank, NY Joined: 05.07.2010
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Jan, you are correct in regards to that penalty shot being awarded, in that RULE # 63.5 states that if there is sufficient regulation time or overtime left to be played, the call should have been only a minor 2:00 penalty on Georgiev for "DELIBERATELY" knocking the net off its moorings. That is clearly stated better (in short here), however, under RULE #63.2 for when the "attacking player has not yet taken the shot, or is in the act of taking the shot at the open net (see Rule #63.6)". However, Rule #63.5 needs to be modified in description, because it does not relate to ALL possible related situations, as had occurred in last night's game.
Now here is where I misunderstood in part, the rule as it is clearly written under RULE #'s 63.2, 63.5, and 63.6 as the only possible links I had found.
1) You already listed, Jan, RULE # 63.5's key details in part. But that rule clearly states it to be a penalty shot awarded if occurring "DURING THE COURSE OF A BREAKAWAY" only. That full rule on page 90 of the 2017-2018 NHL RULE BOOK strictly states ONLY if it had occurred ON A BREAKAWAY.
2) Now here is where I had a mix up of the 2 RULES off the top of my head immediately once the event occurred last night, (& at the same time of the game I had posted that "IT WAS THE CORRECT CALL"), between a PENALTY SHOT BEING AWARDED, or A GOAL BEING AWARDED under this case.
Rule #63.6 - "AWARDED GOAL" (in full):
"In the event that the goal post is displaced, EITHER DELIBERATELY OR ACCIDENTALLY, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goal posts, the Referee MAY AWARD A GOAL."
"In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, THE PUCK MUST HAVE BEEN SHOT, (OR THE PLAYER MUST BE IN THE ACT OF SHOOTING) AT THE GOAL PRIOR TO THE GOAL POST BEING DISPLACED, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts."
There was no goal awarded because Malkin was not in the act of, and did not release his shot until at least 1 second after the net was dislodged by Georgiev, which I also believe was more so on a deliberate nature than not, as the ruling was for the penalty shot to be called.
But there lies the issue with the rules as written. The infraction occurred with only 10 seconds remaining in the 3rd. Overtime was then necessary to decide the outcome.
So I agree with you, Jan, in that a 2:00 minor penalty should have only been assessed instead. Furthermore, there is no mention in the RULE BOOK of a penalty shot to be awarded under that section called "OTHER FOULS", which includes the 3 RULE numbers I first mentioned as being the closest related rules for that infraction.
So RULE #63.5 is the closest in relation, but it must be modified to cover all situations, by removing the words, "DURING THE COURSE OF A BREAKAWAY", and clearly add that a penalty shot will be awarded if a goal post is displaced with under 2:00 remaining in regulation time or the 5:00 OT during a REGULAR SEASON GAME. - RangerSaver
I can't believe I'm seriously responding to this, but...
Rule 63.5 covers three distinct situations where a penalty shot may be awarded.
Situation 1: a breakaway where the net is deliberately dislodged.
Situation 2: a minor penalty for delay of game is called when any player deliberately dislodged the net. When there is less than 2 minutes in regulation, that penalty becomes a penalty shot.
Situation 3: a player covering the puck in the crease.
In conclusion, no, they don't need to reword the rule because that refers to one of three different situations. Yay for reading comprehension!
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TPC
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Location: Bucks County, PA Joined: 01.18.2008
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cant pound enough :
our new core : is the same as the old one basically
7 wings : Krieds zbad hayes vesey buchny fast ...zucc (capt)
D Shey Shatty ... Staal?
EVERY ONE ELSE IS A PAWN IN THE CHESS GAME OF RE TOOL NYR ASAP
1. Karllson (trade )
2. top center (trade)
3. FA; van remsdyk
4.FA : ? depends
with picks & top prospects & roster players we make the 2 moves (over pay ) ....
with whats left after the smoke clears is a top 5 team ready to attack for the cup - Dundee13
If we trade for Karlsson and a top center...we won't have a team after that to play with |
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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If we trade for Karlsson and a top center...we won't have a team after that to play with - TPC
Karlsson just seems like waaaaaay too much of package to acquire
Ottawa needs to hit a home run with that trade |
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TPC
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Location: Bucks County, PA Joined: 01.18.2008
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Karlsson just seems like waaaaaay too much of package to acquire
Ottawa needs to hit a home run with that trade - jimbo83
Yep, plus why give up the farm for a guy with one year left on his deal when there is no certainty he would resign long term and the Rangers are in the middle of a mini rebuild.
Not one part of it makes any sense |
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Fenrir
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Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ Joined: 04.02.2015
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Karlsson just seems like waaaaaay too much of package to acquire
Ottawa needs to hit a home run with that trade - jimbo83
I don't think any team will take the Bobby Ryan contract on with EK. The Phaneuf buyout isn't that bad of a hit, how much would it cost for them to buy out Ryan? Makes no sense keeping him for 4 more years at 7.5. |
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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Yep, plus why give up the farm for a guy with one year left on his deal when there is no certainty he would resign long term and the Rangers are in the middle of a mini rebuild.
Not one part of it makes any sense - TPC
I mean, why did they trade McDonagh then?
I don't see it is a direction the Rangers would go in at all |
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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I don't think any team will take the Bobby Ryan contract on with EK. The Phaneuf buyout isn't that bad of a hit, how much would it cost for them to buy out Ryan? Makes no sense keeping him for 4 more years at 7.5. - Fenrir
here's Bobby Ryan buyout info
https://www.capfriendly.c...ulator/bobby-ryan#results |
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Dundee13
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If we trade for Karlsson and a top center...we won't have a team after that to play with - TPC
you really are simple minded arent you |
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Dundee13
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he wasn't a bum in the 2012 playoffs, pretty much torched our asses in that series - jimbo83
wow ie ..1 series in 5 yrs |
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Fenrir
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Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ Joined: 04.02.2015
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TPC
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Location: Bucks County, PA Joined: 01.18.2008
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you really are simple arent you - Dundee13
not according to the pink haired girl...i trust her more sorry dundee |
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TPC
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Location: Bucks County, PA Joined: 01.18.2008
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I mean, why did they trade McDonagh then?
I don't see it is a direction the Rangers would go in at all - jimbo83
I can see them targeting guys like Kovy and JVR this summer...but other than that I think they want the young guys to grow and get ice time |
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Fenrir
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Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ Joined: 04.02.2015
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not according to the pink haired girl...i trust her more sorry dundee - TPC
I don't know why when you mention her, I think of Charlie Brown and the Cute Little Red Haired Girl. |
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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That hurts, but they have to do it, saves half now. - Fenrir
I don't think Ottawa is concerned about staying under the cap, so cap savings isn't going to matter much to them
that owner would rather jump off a building than pay a guy for doing nothing, I still see them trying to pawn Ryan off on somebody rather than a buyout |
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Dundee13
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not according to the pink haired girl...i trust her more sorry dundee - TPC
listen out in the boonies or corn fields of PA you get away with stupid references
not on my time ,what ever funny u try to make it stems from a lack of understanding
humor comes in many forms ,NONE from your thought ,save it and get real sumtimes |
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rrentz
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Location: HUNTINGTON, NY Joined: 07.13.2009
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I mean, why did they trade McDonagh then?
I don't see it is a direction the Rangers would go in at all - jimbo83
They traded him b/c NYR didn't wan't to sign McD to a new contract worth between 6.5-8 mill per.
They had to trade him now b/c his value wouldn't get any better. He can make two playoff runs w/ Tampa before he is due a new big $$$ contract.
BY no means does the McD trade mean NYR wants to go after EK or any other high end FA this offseason.
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mdw7413
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Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro Joined: 12.13.2013
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you really are simple minded arent you - Dundee13
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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I can see them targeting guys like Kovy and JVR this summer...but other than that I think they want the young guys to grow and get ice time - TPC
Rangers will be in on every free player this summer. Every one of them. |
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Fenrir
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Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ Joined: 04.02.2015
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I can see them targeting guys like Kovy and JVR this summer...but other than that I think they want the young guys to grow and get ice time - TPC
Have to have a mix of talent or you end up like the Oilers or Buffalo. Although I don't like Kovy, I understand the need for him or JVR. |
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jimbo83
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Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY Joined: 06.27.2007
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They traded him b/c NYR didn't wan't to sign McD to a new contract worth between 6.5-8 mill per.
They had to trade him now b/c his value wouldn't get any better. He can make two playoff runs w/ Tampa before he is due a new big $$$ contract.
BY no means does the McD trade mean NYR wants to go after EK or any other high end FA - rrentz
yeah I get all that, what I am saying is why would the Rangers trade a large package for Karlsson, it completely goes against the philosophy of trading McDonagh in the first place |
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TPC
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Location: Bucks County, PA Joined: 01.18.2008
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Dundee13
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I don't think Ottawa is concerned about staying under the cap, so cap savings isn't going to matter much to them
that owner would rather jump off a building than pay a guy for doing nothing, I still see them trying to pawn Ryan off on somebody rather than a buyout - jimbo83
bad contract for bad contract ..uh huh!! i agree |
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rrentz
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Location: HUNTINGTON, NY Joined: 07.13.2009
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yeah I get all that, what I am saying is why would the Rangers trade a large package for Karlsson, it completely goes against the philosophy of trading McDonagh in the first place - jimbo83
Misunderstood... I agree.
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Fenrir
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Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ Joined: 04.02.2015
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I don't think Ottawa is concerned about staying under the cap, so cap savings isn't going to matter much to them
that owner would rather jump off a building than pay a guy for doing nothing, I still see them trying to pawn Ryan off on somebody rather than a buyout - jimbo83
True, remember how they asked for cash with the Brass deal? Other than the Yotes, who would be willing to eat that contract? |
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Dundee13
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yeah I get all that, what I am saying is why would the Rangers trade a large package for Karlsson, it completely goes against the philosophy of trading McDonagh in the first place - jimbo83
how manyKarllsons in game ...
how many mac 's ....alot
K has at least 3- 5 yr at top of game ..gimme a break ..hes the diff maker |
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