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juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Mar 13 @ 3:13 PM ET
The big Wingers Hextall has targeted since taking over are making their way into the organization. I think this list will go a long way to upgrading the bottom 6.

Lindblom
Bunnaman
Twaryinsky
Ratcliffe
Sushko

You also have Rubstov and Laberge still figuring out whether they're Cs or Ws.

And soon:
Allison
Strome

- Baxter27



Maybe we can toss in Lacynski too since I am not sure he translates to center unless it is 4th line.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:14 PM ET
Agreed but doesnt change the fact that both Ghost and Coots not scoring right now is a bad thing.

At least those two drive play in other ways..the other names on that list not so much.

- opeth_pa


it doesn't bother me that they aren't scoring because they are picking up assists. as long as someone is scoring when they are on the ice that is all I care about
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 13 @ 3:14 PM ET
Hell I come here to vent after stupid days at work, I dont really care - as long as folks have their own fun too.

Its always fun explaining to the girl as to what I am doing on this website. "So you argue with other grown guys about hockey?"

- flyer_nutter


so true, the wife says "you writing your Flyers article again" I say no, MJL did, I am just arguing with him. All in good fun
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 13 @ 3:17 PM ET
Quite a nice list. I have a personal hatred for players who can't skate for poop so I am not counting Strome as of yet (although have to admit I've seen next to nothing for most of these guys).

Its funny though, still all about G in my eyes. Can he still be a really good player by the time the youth infusion is complete? If not, you need to find another elite war horse. Dont win with mediocrity.

- flyer_nutter


The elite potential is with Patrick, Provorov, Ghost, Couturier, Konecny, Sanheim, Hart and Frost. The list of the big Wingers is more of a supporting cast. Ratcliffe could surprise if he's a home run.

I think Giroux and Jake showed this year they haven't fell off a cliff. They're going to have their ups and downs but they're special players that tend to have long careers.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 3:18 PM ET
mobile device emoji fail
- Scoob

Sorry, it was peals of laughter
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 13 @ 3:19 PM ET
The elite potential is with Patrick, Provorov, Ghost, Couturier, Konecny, Sanheim, Hart and Frost. The list of the big Wingers is more of a supporting cast. Ratcliffe could surprise if he's a home run.

I think Giroux and Jake showed this year they haven't fell off a cliff. They're going to have their ups and downs but they're special players that tend to have long careers.

- Baxter27



having 3 lines who can score will definitely make G and Jake productive longer
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 3:20 PM ET
it doesn't bother me that they aren't scoring because they are picking up assists. as long as someone is scoring when they are on the ice that is all I care about
- nastyflyergirl

But they really aren’t. They’ve scored 2 or fewer in way too many games recently. They really need to get the pp going and some goals from others besides the top 6 forwards.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 13 @ 3:24 PM ET
But they really aren’t. They’ve scored 2 or fewer in way too many games recently. They really need to get the pp going and some goals from others besides the top 6 forwards.
- BiggE


teams key up on the top unit and the 2nd unit passes the puck around the outside, then they have Flip as the right side QB, you know Mr. O himself. I really think they should shift coots and patrick, I know one is right and one is left but both very smart players and could adjust. Maybe the real play is Simmonds for Patrick, someone last night said maybe the 2nd unit would actually get the puck to the net.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 13 @ 3:27 PM ET
having 3 lines who can score will definitely make G and Jake productive longer
- wcorvette


Unpopular opinion but I'm ready to try breaking up G and Coots. They need to start playing match ups better. Filppula is struggling as a C.

Raffl Giroux Jake
Lindblom Patrick Simmonds
Filppula Couturier Konecny
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 3:31 PM ET
teams key up on the top unit and the 2nd unit passes the puck around the outside, then they have Flip as the right side QB, you know Mr. O himself. I really think they should shift coots and patrick, I know one is right and one is left but both very smart players and could adjust. Maybe the real play is Simmonds for Patrick, someone last night said maybe the 2nd unit would actually get the puck to the net.
- wcorvette

I’d replace Flip with Laughton on the 2nd unit as well, along with the Patrick/Simmonds switch. And I’d tell them: one pass, shoot, crash the (frank)ing net!
Doctor DOOM
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Where the bad things are
Joined: 12.13.2017

Mar 13 @ 3:40 PM ET
Hell I come here to vent after stupid days at work, I dont really care - as long as folks have their own fun too.

Its always fun explaining to the girl as to what I am doing on this website. "So you argue with other grown guys about hockey?"

- flyer_nutter


I have a friend from Syria that didn't understand the concept of watching hockey on TV. "Why are you watching someone else play hockey instead of playing yourself?" I explained to him I don't have an NHL contract yet but I'm working on it. I didn't have the heart to tell him not only do I waste time watching other people play, I go on message boards and argue with grown men about how other people play a game.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:40 PM ET
But they really aren’t. They’ve scored 2 or fewer in way too many games recently. They really need to get the pp going and some goals from others besides the top 6 forwards.
- BiggE


Of course but that is not my point. sure the PP needs to get going but what I am saying is Couturier's line (whether even strength or PP) has 10 goals over those 12 games and he has directly been involved in 6 of them. While Ghost has not scored in 19 games, he has been directly involved in 16 goals in that span.

the rest of the players he mentioned need to start chipping in. i am more concerned with those players
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 3:42 PM ET
Of course but that is not my point. sure the PP needs to get going but what I am saying is Couturier's line (whether even strength or PP) has 10 goals over those 12 games and he has directly been involved in 6 of them. While Ghost has not scored in 19 games, he has been directly involved in 16 goals in that span.

the rest of the players he mentioned need to start chipping in. i am more concerned with those players

- nastyflyergirl


Gotcha.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:44 PM ET
I have a friend from Syria that didn't understand the concept of watching hockey on TV. "Why are you watching someone else play hockey instead of playing yourself?" I explained to him I don't have an NHL contract yet but I'm working on it. I didn't have the heart to tell him not only do I waste time watching other people play, I go on message boards and argue with grown men about how other people play a game.
- Doctor DOOM


I suspect some here are in high school.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 3:46 PM ET
I suspect some here are in high school.
- Scoob

Some probably never made it through high school. This is based on people routinely spelling lose as l-o-o-s-e.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 3:47 PM ET
I’d replace Flip with Laughton on the 2nd unit as well, along with the Patrick/Simmonds switch. And I’d tell them: one pass, shoot, crash the (frank)ing net!
- BiggE



agree, Watching Flip take the drop pass and enter the zone is painful, as well as him being on the 1/2 wall. I just dont think Hak will change down the stretch, i get it. It has worked for the most part so far. Injury is the only way I see a change, or 2 more loses in a row.

why I have been saying it is tough decision time for Hak, losing streak, struggling PP and certain vets shxting the bed. Make the tough call if you have too.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 3:49 PM ET
agree, Watching Flip take the drop pass and enter the zone is painful, as well as him being on the 1/2 wall. I just dont think Hak will change down the stretch, i get it. It has worked for the most part so far. Injury is the only way I see a change, or 2 more loses in a row.
- wcorvette

Well, technically, the 2nd unit has been mediocre to bad most of the season.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 13 @ 3:50 PM ET
Well, technically, the 2nd unit has been mediocre to bad most of the season.
- BiggE



when did they make it to mediocre? the blend of the 1st unit and 2nd, hide the 2nd.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:51 PM ET
Unpopular opinion but I'm ready to try breaking up G and Coots. They need to start playing match ups better. Filppula is struggling as a C.

Raffl Giroux Jake
Lindblom Patrick Simmonds
Filppula Couturier Konecny

- Baxter27




If it were up to me, Giroux will never play center again.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
I'm measuring the mood level in here at about a 1-5-1 level.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Mar 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
If it were up to me, Giroux will never play center again.
- MBFlyerfan



This post seems rather threatening.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 13 @ 3:56 PM ET
If it were up to me, Giroux will never play center again.
- MBFlyerfan


He's been fantastic at LW. I hate to separate him from Coots. But being a 2 line team is biting them in the ass. They need to solve it. Raffl did his best last game but Filp and Simmonds eventually came up short. They need Couturier focused defensively.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 13 @ 4:02 PM ET
I'm measuring the mood level in here at about a 1-5-1 level.
- hockeylover

KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Mar 13 @ 4:03 PM ET
Scheen is a better FIT in ST LOUIS
- wcorvette

Martin or Charlie?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 13 @ 4:04 PM ET

- Scoob

I thought of this one

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