I think you guys will be in an ugly mood tonight.
- sabreadvocate1

They should be after Saturday's performance.

It’s still 3 loses in a row.
- LeafMan

6-2-2 over their last 10 games.

Which extrapolates to a 115 point season.

The notion of "over-working" goalies is 1970s thinking.

Goalies are now the best conditioned players on the team.

I have absolutely no problem trotting out a goalie for every game, minus the back-to-backs.
- Atomic Wedgie

The facts disagree with you.

Andersen's playoff numbers were worse than his regular season numbers last year and he was pretty overworked last year too.

There's a big difference between a goalie playing too many games and a goalie facing too many shots.

Price is on a different level than Andersen but that being said, Price didn't make it out of the 1st round when he faced 2,100 shots in 2010/2011. Lost to the Bruins. Half of them don't make the playoffs. One third of them lose in the 1st round. Since 2007/2008, only 5 goalies out of the 30 that faced 2,000+ shots made it past the 1st round.

Since the 2007/2008 season.

30 goalies have faced 2,000+ shots in a season.

Missed Playoffs: 15

Lost in the 1st round: 11

Lost in the 2nd round: 3

Lost in the 3rd round: 2

Lost in the Finals: 0

Won a Stanley Cup: 0

12 goalies have faced 2,100+ shots in a season.

Missed Playoffs: 5

Lost in the 1st round: 4

Lost in the 2nd round: 2

Lost in the 3rd round: 1

Lost in the Finals: 0

Won a Stanley Cup: 0

Andersen is on pace to play 67 games and face 2,290 shots.
- Unholy_Goalie

Will that be record or does Luongo hold that distinction

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mcdavid-on-heckling-video-it-s-not-a-big-deal~1334468


The Oilers fans don't deserve McDavid
- PatC80

Wow, Lucic is a fantastic interview!

Will that be record or does Luongo hold that distinction
- zazzle

Since 2007/2008, Cam Ward holds that title with 2,375 shots against in 2010/2011. (Missed the playoffs).

But Andersen would be 2nd if he hits 2,290 shots against.

Will that be record or does Luongo hold that distinction
- zazzle

Most shots faced by a goaltender, in a season: Roberto Luongo (2005–06), 2,488

Most shots faced by a goaltender, in a season: Roberto Luongo (2005–06), 2,488
- Scabeh

Missed the playoffs.

I somehow knew Boston would be the anti-thesis to all factual arguments on this...

Missed the playoffs.
- Unholy_Goalie

The way Luongo was playing at the time, Pretty sure he would have been pretty good if his team made it.

So Martin draws back in tonight

I somehow knew Boston would be the anti-thesis to all factual arguments on this...


- SofaKingBored

Always has been the case..

The way Luongo was playing at the time, Pretty sure he would have been pretty good if his team made it.
- Scabeh

I wouldn't blame him because obviously he was playing very well. I was just trying to say, the team probably relied on him way too much which is why the team ended up missing the playoffs.

You want goalies to able to steal games but you don't want to need him to do it every game because it usually doesn't work out in the end.

The facts disagree with you.

Andersen's playoff numbers were worse than his regular season numbers last year and he was pretty overworked last year too.

There's a big difference between a goalie playing too many games and a goalie facing too many shots.
- Unholy_Goalie

Actually, the facts you present demonstrate almost no correlation - you're just not adept at math.

Since the 2007/2008 season.

30 goalies have faced 2,000+ shots in a season.
That's 31 examples.

Missed Playoffs: 15

That's less than half - statistically speaking, it should be half - so you've already demonstrated that it pretty much has no effect on making the playoffs.

Lost in the 1st round: 11

Statistically speaking, if there was no correlation, there should be about 8. Not a huge difference.

Lost in the 2nd round: 3

3 out of 5. Not statistically significant.

Lost in the 3rd round: 2

Not statistically significant.

Lost in the Finals: 0

Won a Stanley Cup: 0

So Martin draws back in tonight
- zazzle

Also a mistake but probably a morale thing. Maybe worried the Sabres have nothing to lose and wants to add toughness.

The facts disagree with you.

Andersen's playoff numbers were worse than his regular season numbers last year and he was pretty overworked last year too.

There's a big difference between a goalie playing too many games and a goalie facing too many shots.
- Unholy_Goalie

I think you're ignoring a much more obvious issue here.

The problem isn't that Andersen will be worn out come playoff time. These stats point to the problem of team defense. That's the problem that needs to be addressed, not Andersen's workload. He's done it all year, let's not mess with the routine of our starting goalie with a few weeks left in the season.

I think you're ignoring a much more obvious issue here.

The problem isn't that Andersen will be worn out come playoff time. These stats point to the problem of team defense. That's the problem that needs to be addressed, not Andersen's workload. He's done it all year, let's not mess with the routine of our starting goalie with a few weeks left in the season.
- ninjagoalie

I agree with you but I'd also say it's a combination of both. It's bad team defense that allows too many shots but it's also fatigue sets in because the goalie is forced to do too much for the team to win. So I agree with you, team defense is a huge issue and probably at least half the problem with the Leafs having success with the current style of play.

I wouldn't blame him because obviously he was playing very well. I was just trying to say, the team probably relied on him way too much which is why the team ended up missing the playoffs.

You want goalies to able to steal games but you don't want to need him to do it every game because it usually doesn't work out in the end.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well you can easily make a case where a goaltender receiving over 2000+ shots in a season probably could use some help from his defense and that's it's not the best way to build a winner.

Bur your original point was that goaltenders who receive 2000+ shots perform less than a more "rested" goaltender.... in which case the Luongo example doesn't apply,hell even team success shouldn't be a barometer as sometimes the best goaltender loses the series.

If they think all these games against bottom feeders will be easy and complacency sets in, they will be in a big heap of trouble down the stretch.

These are the games they have to play their best if they want to win.
- LeafMan

IF.....yes. If they do.
But Babs wont let that happen.
The leafs will turn it around....they've done it all season.
yes they've lost 3 in a row...but they still collected 2 loser pts.

Buffalo is always worrisome....cause for whatever reason the leafs are horrible against them....and yes the amount of shots andersen faces nightly could be their demise in the playoffs if it continues...but teams tighten up in the playoffs....no reason the leafs cannot do the same.

The facts disagree with you.

Andersen's playoff numbers were worse than his regular season numbers last year and he was pretty overworked last year too.

There's a big difference between a goalie playing too many games and a goalie facing too many shots.
- Unholy_Goalie

of course they were worse he played the same team 6 times not 29 different teams, what do you thinks gonna happen when you play the top team in the league.

Actually, the facts you present demonstrate almost no correlation - you're just not adept at math.

Since the 2007/2008 season.

30 goalies have faced 2,000+ shots in a season.
That's 31 examples.

Missed Playoffs: 15

That's less than half - statistically speaking, it should be half - so you've already demonstrated that it pretty much has no effect on making the playoffs.

Lost in the 1st round: 11

Statistically speaking, if there was no correlation, there should be about 8. Not a huge difference.

Lost in the 2nd round: 3

3 out of 5. Not statistically significant.

Lost in the 3rd round: 2

Not statistically significant.

Lost in the Finals: 0

Won a Stanley Cup: 0
- Atomic Wedgie

Leafs have a sports science team that has a lot of influence.

Not a ton of info on what they do, but they do a lot of in-depth muscle fatigue monitoring. They seem to have a lot of influence on when guys come back from injuries, when guys get days off from practice, how many minutes guys play (forwards all less then 20/game) etc.

I suspect they are fine with andersen’s workload. If they are fine with it, I’m fine with it.

I think you're ignoring a much more obvious issue here.

The problem isn't that Andersen will be worn out come playoff time. These stats point to the problem of team defense. That's the problem that needs to be addressed, not Andersen's workload. He's done it all year, let's not mess with the routine of our starting goalie with a few weeks left in the season.
- ninjagoalie

Its well known that teams tighten up their defensive play in the playoffs. No reason the leafs cannot do the same.

Actually, the facts you present demonstrate almost no correlation - you're just not adept at math.
- Atomic Wedgie

I double counted one example but the point still stands strong. The facts demonstrate that goalies facing 2,000+ shots in the past 10 years (which speaks to your idea that the modern goalie is immune to facing too many shots) have problems making and succeeding in the playoffs.

And specifically, to Andersen, he faced 2,000 shots last year, barely made the playoffs, had worse playoff numbers and lost in the 1st round. This year, the division sucks so there's less competition for that 3rd spot but Andersen is still on pace to face too many shots and is relied upon too much to steal games and the playoff results will likely be the same.

Well you can easily make a case where a goaltender receiving over 2000+ shots in a season probably could use some help from his defense and that's it's not the best way to build a winner.

Bur your original point was that goaltenders who receive 2000+ shots perform less than a more "rested" goaltender.... in which case the Luongo example doesn't apply,hell even team success shouldn't be a barometer as sometimes the best goaltender loses the series.
- Scabeh

It may be out of the realm of possibility, but it's possible that a good goalie, continues to be a good goalie.

Leafs have a sports science team that has a lot of influence.

Not a ton of info on what they do, but they do a lot of in-depth muscle fatigue monitoring. They seem to have a lot of influence on when guys come back from injuries, when guys get days off from practice, how many minutes guys play (forwards all less the 20/game) etc.

I suspect they are fine with andersen’s workload. If they are fine with it, I’m fine with it.
- Tumbleweed

We have McBackup as well....if Andersen needs an extra our awesome back up will jump in. No big deal.