I don’t think they are that far off from each other, at all.

Armia’s shooting % has gotten better each three years he’s been in the league.

He’s not better than Kane, but really not a ton worse.

Kane plays a ton and shoots a ton, that’s why he scores. Really good goal scorers don’t shoot 9%
- sbroads24

That's true, but not everyone that plays that much gets that many opportunities to shoot. Does he take some bad shots? Sure.

But it's sort of like bashing a guy that hits a lot of HRs because he strikes out a lot.

sobriety sucks

That's true, but not everyone that plays that much gets that many opportunities to shoot. Does he take some bad shots? Sure.

But it's sort of like bashing a guy that hits a lot of HRs because he strikes out a lot.
- Wetbandit1

That’s a good analogy.

This is why I think this team sucks. They don’t have players who are efficient.

They have players who do certain things well, while also having a ton of holes in their games

That’s a good analogy.

This is why I think this team sucks. They don’t have players who are efficient.

They have players who do certain things well, while also having a ton of holes in their games
- sbroads24

Who knows? Maybe that awesome setup last night to Pavelski was just a bad shot.

idk i thought it was fairly specific
- Sabresfan-365

I think there’s a lot more factors that go into it
And saying one team had Eichel, doesn’t cover those bases

What was the score when the pts were accrued? Did it matter, or was it garbage time (one way or the other)?

What was the competition they were scored against?

Who was on the ice with you?

Back to game situation, how was your team playing and how was the other team playing?
What i mean here is...
if you’re down by & pushing play while the other team is sitting back, you’re more likely to score than if you’re on the team that’s sitting back

And on, and on, and on


Just looking at raw 5v5 numbers only tells u a fraction of how that person actually played compared to another

That’s why there’s so many “outliers” when u look at these stats

This is very exciting.
- SABRES 89

I was hoping for Criso and tennisball to come up.

sobriety sucks
- homiedclown

I'm very excited to see Scott Wilson and the 2nd line. I hope the F$$KIN score is 10-0

I was hoping for Criso and tennisball to come up.
- SabresFaninIndiana

I'm hoping for 10-0 Tampa

I'm very excited to see Scott Wilson and the 2nd line. I hope the F$$KIN score is 10-0
- SABRES 89

Wilson with a hatty?

I'm hoping for 10-0 Tampa
- SABRES 89

OHhhhhhhhhhh you meant 10-0 the other way

Wilson with a hatty?
- SabresFaninIndiana

I give it 15 minutes before Griffith is on the 1st line.

I give it 15 minutes before Griffith is on the 1st line.
- SABRES 89

I hope we see a line of Griffith, Wilson and Nolan.

I don’t think they are that far off from each other, at all.

Armia’s shooting % has gotten better each three years he’s been in the league.

He’s not better than Kane, but really not a ton worse.

Kane plays a ton and shoots a ton, that’s why he scores. Really good goal scorers don’t shoot 9%
- sbroads24

So when i look up shooting percentage of all players now,
and list how a bunch of players that clearly aren’t as good, have better numbers than players widely considered to be better what then?

Come on dude

When the shot was taken...
who was defending, who was the goalie, where was it taken, for hand or backhand, time of game...
etc etc etc

Not every shot is equal

I know that u know that

No...
i don’t think it balances out
Not bc there aren’t enough shots,
but bc there’s so few goals

U see the “outliers” in shooting % bc (again) there’s more factors that go into

If Kane was on Winnipeg, he’d have better numbers
And if Armia was on the Sabres, he’d have worse

I hope we see a line of Griffith, Wilson and Nolan.
- SabresFaninIndiana

Eichel must be so excited with the progress of this team and the upswing they are on.

So when i look up shooting percentage of all players now,
and list how a bunch of players that clearly aren’t as good, have better numbers than players widely considered to be better what then?

Come on dude

When the shot was taken...
who was defending, who was the goalie, where was it taken, for hand or backhand, time of game...
etc etc etc

Not every shot is equal

I know that u know that

No...
i don’t think it balances out
Not bc there aren’t enough shots,
but bc there’s so few goals

U see the “outliers” in shooting % bc (again) there’s more factors that go into

If Kane was on Winnipeg, he’d have better numbers
And if Armia was on the Sabres, he’d have worse
- jdfitz77

You’re impossible.

You want answers that don’t exist.

Kane is not a great goal scorer. Niether is Armia.

Saying Armia would have worse numbers playing a few hundred minutes with Jack Eichel is one of the weirdest things you’ve posted.

Eichel must be so excited with the progress of this team and the upswing they are on.
- SABRES 89

If we are doing this “burn it all down” strategy...

How does Eichel feel about it?
Are we just wasting years of his time?

We gotta do things to start improving
Look at what happened with Taylor Hall
We don’t want that here,
do we?

If we are doing this “burn it all down” strategy...

How does Eichel feel about it?
Are we just wasting years of his time?

We gotta do things to start improving
Look at what happened with Taylor Hall
We don’t want that here,
do we?
- jdfitz77

This organization hasn't a clue as to what they are doing, how many times can you possibly rebuild in 5 years or more, this is a joke.

You’re impossible.

You want answers that don’t exist.

Kane is not a great goal scorer. Niether is Armia.

Saying Armia would have worse numbers playing a few hundred minutes with Jack Eichel is one of the weirdest things you’ve posted.
- sbroads24

You’re assuming that Armia is good enough to play with Eichel

That’s like when Pyatt went & played with the Sedins
He wasn’t this good goal scorer who deserved better opportunity
He was an average (at best) player who benefited from playing with them
In the end, he was still a 4th liner

Just like Armia just didn’t become a sniper
He’s a decent 3rd liner

Kane is a good top6 wing

I get what u mean about efficiency
But that doesn’t equate to talent & skill


What I’m saying is that SITUATION dictates (in a big way) efficiency

Just bc all the factors i bring up aren’t measured or kept track of,
doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant

This organization hasn't a clue as to what they are doing, how many times can you possibly rebuild in 5 years or more, this is a joke.
- SABRES 89

I get your frustration...
but we aren’t even a year in yet

U may be proven right,
but i certainly hope you’re wrong

Kane is gone people it doesn't matter about numbers, 5x5, goals, let it go and avoid all the arguments.

If we are doing this “burn it all down” strategy...

How does Eichel feel about it?
Are we just wasting years of his time?

We gotta do things to start improving
Look at what happened with Taylor Hall
We don’t want that here,
do we?
- jdfitz77

the patch work method is far less effective

I get your frustration...
but we aren’t even a year in yet

U may be proven right,
but i certainly hope you’re wrong
- jdfitz77

We aren't a year in ? we haven't stopped since Murray was hired.

You’re assuming that Armia is good enough to play with Eichel

That’s like when Pyatt went & played with the Sedins
He wasn’t this good goal scorer who deserved better opportunity
He was an average (at best) player who benefited from playing with them
In the end, he was still a 4th liner

Just like Armia just didn’t become a sniper
He’s a decent 3rd liner

Kane is a good top6 wing

I get what u mean about efficiency
But that doesn’t equate to talent & skill


What I’m saying is that SITUATION dictates (in a big way) efficiency

Just bc all the factors i bring up aren’t measured or kept track of,
doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant
- jdfitz77

I actually used to be a huge armia fan, rarely see him play cause...well, winnipeg.

wonder what fan impression of him is (excluding the jets trolls)

You’re assuming that Armia is good enough to play with Eichel

That’s like when Pyatt went & played with the Sedins
He wasn’t this good goal scorer who deserved better opportunity
He was an average (at best) player who benefited from playing with them
In the end, he was still a 4th liner

Just like Armia just didn’t become a sniper
He’s a decent 3rd liner

Kane is a good top6 wing

I get what u mean about efficiency
But that doesn’t equate to talent & skill


What I’m saying is that SITUATION dictates (in a big way) efficiency

Just bc all the factors i bring up aren’t measured or kept track of,
doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant
- jdfitz77

Why wouldn’t he be? He’s going to score 13-15 in a bottom 6 role. You really don’t think he’d have 20 with Jack?

This isn’t just one season of outliers. This is year 3 for Risto, O’Reilly, etc of not being a good 5 on 5 player.

Jack struggled his rookie year 5 on 5, and has since been amazing. Why doesn’t the environment argument apply to him?

Kane is gone people it doesn't matter about numbers, 5x5, goals, let it go and avoid all the arguments.
- SABRES 89