I know what an average is. However that's over 20+ drafts. That's over 4000 draft picks. Specifically, 600 second round picks. That's not a small sample size no matter how you look at it.

Dermott has only played maybe two dozen games. You can't make any for sure judgement calls on him. Jury is still out.
- Aaron_85

Dermott was a 35th overall pick

The leafs pick will be 53-61. You can not compare players drafted that far apart.

There are always going to be free agents from other leagues in Europe. Always other options dude, stop hating on the trade so much. Lou isn't a dummy
- LeafGuy89

Na man, end of the world. We just traded the next Shea Webber or Patrice Bergeron for 27 games of that turtleneck wearing (frank).

who is not hoping the Leafs go on a long playoff run? I want to this year and next year and the year after that.....drafting is the way to do it...unless you loved the Burke years. Pleks is not going to put us over the top lol
- ToMaLe

He's low risk insurance at an important position where there were few options available.

Fair point that they will need young and cheap guys to fill out the roster. Here's a list of 15 to 20 not including any drafted this coming year or next. They will find the guys within to do as you say. https://thehockeywriters....e-leafs-top-20-prospects/

Also if picks were like gold then why didn't Nash or Pleks only cost a draft pick?
- Aaron_85

go on just about any hockey forum and the majority was saying how much They way over paid for Nash. Glad we didnt, Bruins can have him for that price.

Fair point that they will need young and cheap guys to fill out the roster. Here's a list of 15 to 20 not including any drafted this coming year or next. They will find the guys within to do as you say. https://thehockeywriters....e-leafs-top-20-prospects/

Also if picks were like gold then why didn't Nash or Pleks only cost a draft pick?
- Aaron_85

go on just about any hockey forum and the majority was saying how much They way over paid for Nash. Glad we didnt, Bruins can have him for that price.

I know what an average is. However that's over 20+ drafts. That's over 4000 draft picks. Specifically, 600 second round picks. That's not a small sample size no matter how you look at it.

Dermott has only played maybe two dozen games. You can't make any for sure judgement calls on him. Jury is still out.
- Aaron_85

I can make one judgement; rather have another Dermott than Plekanec for 27 games.

Dermott was a 35th overall pick

The leafs pick will be 53-61. You can not compare players drafted that far apart.
- Santo_44

Grunstrom was 57th, you like him?

Still better than Plekanec for 27 games.
- Unholy_Goalie

The Leafs have stockpiled draft picks for the past few years. They are chock full of good prospects. Many are ready are close to stepping in right now at the NHL level.

I'm guessing management is trading what they see as extra picks. You can't keep every player you draft. No team can. I understand the more kicks at the can you have the better. That's what the Red Wings are trying to do right now. Accumulate draft picks.

But there's a fine line. The Leafs are almost where they want to be. Legitimate Cup contenders for the next 5-6 years.

The young Leafs got a taste of the playoffs last year. They'll get another one this season. A GM has to show his players that he believes in them and will add to the current group. The same way other contenders are doing, like Tampa and Boston.

A team can't be in a perpetual rebuild each season like Arizona is. Then there's no hope. You can't create a winning culture. That's why the Wings, even though they stink, aren't tanking. You can't accept losing. Then you'll never win.

Draft picks are important but a GM has to plan for the now and for the future. That's what Lou is doing. He's not hurting his team. Too many Pleks deals and sure, the tide will turn. Then you're like the Oilers or Sabres.

I can make one judgement; rather have another Dermott than Plekanec for 27 games.
- Unholy_Goalie

You have a better Dermott in Jake Gardiner dude. He has 450 games of experience. Irreplaceable. Can't let a rookie play! He'd be torn apart!

who is not hoping the Leafs go on a long playoff run? I want to this year and next year and the year after that.....drafting is the way to do it...unless you loved the Burke years. Pleks is not going to put us over the top lol
- ToMaLe

When did a team last win the cup without trading picks and prospects at the deadline for depth and experience?

He's low risk insurance at an important position where there were few options available.
- Woderwick

well if you think he was worth a 2nd good for you, i dont, guess we agree to disagree

When did a team last win the cup without trading picks and prospects at the deadline for depth and experience?
- shack67

and way more teams did the same thing and got put out in the first round or not even make the playoffs.

The Leafs have stockpiled draft picks for the past few years. They are chock full of good prospects. Many are ready are close to stepping in right now at the NHL level.

I'm guessing management is trading what they see as extra picks. You can't keep every player you draft. No team can. I understand the more kicks at the can you have the better. That's what the Red Wings are trying to do right now. Accumulate draft picks.

But there's a fine line. The Leafs are almost where they want to be. Legitimate Cup contenders for the next 5-6 years.

The young Leafs got a taste of the playoffs last year. They'll get another one this season. A GM has to show his players that he believes in them and will add to the current group. The same way other contenders are doing, like Tampa and Boston.

A team can't be in a perpetual rebuild each season like Arizona is. Then there's no hope. You can't create a winning culture. That's why the Wings, even though they stink, aren't tanking. You can't accept losing. Then you'll never win.

Draft picks are important but a GM has to plan for the now and for the future. That's what Lou is doing. He's not hurting his team. Too many Pleks deals and sure, the tide will turn. Then you're like the Oilers or Sabres.
- gergeswillems

One Plekanec deal is already one too many. Just like Boyle was last year.

The Leafs have a decent system but they could always use more, if not to fill in the holes on the team then to use as trade bait for a real impact player and not another over the hill 4th line C for a hopeful miracle playoff run.

The Leafs have stockpiled draft picks for the past few years. They are chock full of good prospects. Many are ready are close to stepping in right now at the NHL level.

I'm guessing management is trading what they see as extra picks. You can't keep every player you draft. No team can. I understand the more kicks at the can you have the better. That's what the Red Wings are trying to do right now. Accumulate draft picks.

But there's a fine line. The Leafs are almost where they want to be. Legitimate Cup contenders for the next 5-6 years.

The young Leafs got a taste of the playoffs last year. They'll get another one this season. A GM has to show his players that he believes in them and will add to the current group. The same way other contenders are doing, like Tampa and Boston.

A team can't be in a perpetual rebuild each season like Arizona is. Then there's no hope. You can't create a winning culture. That's why the Wings, even though they stink, aren't tanking. You can't accept losing. Then you'll never win.

Draft picks are important but a GM has to plan for the now and for the future. That's what Lou is doing. He's not hurting his team. Too many Pleks deals and sure, the tide will turn. Then you're like the Oilers or Sabres.
- gergeswillems

Way too much common sense in this post. These fools will never understand it.

We cant hope the leafs can go on a run in the playoffs but he can hope the Leafs draft a franchise player in the 2nd round. And a very late one at that.
- Santo_44

I know, right!

One Plekanec deal is already one too many. Just like Boyle was last year.

The Leafs have a decent system but they could always use more, if not to fill in the holes on the team then to use as trade bait for a real impact player and not another over the hill 4th line C for a hopeful miracle playoff run.
- Unholy_Goalie

the leafs are 3-1 against the bruins this year and tampa is slowing down. Leafs don't need a miracle to beat them.

When did a team last win the cup without trading picks and prospects at the deadline for depth and experience?
- shack67

The Penguins last year got Frank Corrado and Mark Streit and neither did much of anything for them.

and way more teams did the same thing and got put out in the first round or not even make the playoffs.
- ToMaLe

So the penguins should have stayed out of the trade market the last two years and this year too?

the leafs are 3-1 against the bruins this year and tampa is slowing down. Leafs don't need a miracle to beat them.
- HealthyScratch6

Tampa Bay is slowing down but the Leafs are just going to keep speeding up and hammer through everybody, Plekanec leading the battering ram.

So the penguins should have stayed out of the trade market the last two years and this year too?
- shack67

They didn't do much of anything the last two deadlines.

The Penguins last year got Frank Corrado and Mark Streit and neither did much of anything for them.
- Unholy_Goalie

Just gonna ignore Hainsey, huh?

The Penguins last year got Frank Corrado and Mark Streit and neither did much of anything for them.
- Unholy_Goalie

Ron Hainsey

One Plekanec deal is already one too many.

The Leafs have a decent system but they could always use more, if not to fill in the holes on the team then to use as trade bait for a real impact player and not another over the hill 4th line C for a hopeful miracle playoff run.
- Unholy_Goalie

That's pie in the sky. You don't know what the price is for a top pair defenseman like McDonagh. Maybe the Rangers want one of Marner or Nylander. You're not trading your core guys. You're not robbing Peter to pay Paul. It makes no sense.

In any trade, you have to give to get. Other teams know the Leafs need a top 4 defenseman. Lou is playing poker right now.

The one player who will have to go in any trade for a guy like McDonagh is Kapanen. Are you willing to give him up? If not then you're not getting RMD. Plus you'd likely have to add a first and another prospect.

These are much tougher assets to lose. But if it fills a long term need then you do it. Guys like Pleks are pawns. Small potatoes. You can always recoup draft picks after the first round.

I don't see what the big deal is trading away an extra second round draft pick for a 4th line centre which is actually closer to being a 3rd round pick.

It solves a present need and you still have a first and a second round pick which you can either keep or use as currency for the top 4 defenseman you still need.

Tampa Bay is slowing down but the Leafs are just going to keep speeding up and hammer through everybody.
- Unholy_Goalie

maybe, maybe not. But we should just shut it down trade everybody and hope 4 or 5 years from now when our 2nd round picks develop and Matthews Marner and Nylander are eating up all our cap that we will then be ready to compete for a Stanley cup.

The Leafs have stockpiled draft picks for the past few years. They are chock full of good prospects. Many are ready are close to stepping in right now at the NHL level.

I'm guessing management is trading what they see as extra picks. You can't keep every player you draft. No team can. I understand the more kicks at the can you have the better. That's what the Red Wings are trying to do right now. Accumulate draft picks.

But there's a fine line. The Leafs are almost where they want to be. Legitimate Cup contenders for the next 5-6 years.

The young Leafs got a taste of the playoffs last year. They'll get another one this season. A GM has to show his players that he believes in them and will add to the current group. The same way other contenders are doing, like Tampa and Boston.

A team can't be in a perpetual rebuild each season like Arizona is. Then there's no hope. You can't create a winning culture. That's why the Wings, even though they stink, aren't tanking. You can't accept losing. Then you'll never win.

Draft picks are important but a GM has to plan for the now and for the future. That's what Lou is doing. He's not hurting his team. Too many Pleks deals and sure, the tide will turn. Then you're like the Oilers or Sabres.
- gergeswillems

*sigh* Great effort Smelli...but I doubt this will work.