But but but we’ve got Connor mcdavid !!

Yeah I know. Dude is all world. Probably the best player I’ve ever seen. And we’re still a bottom feeder. That’s how bad we are right now.

Call it what u like, but this a fact
- HB77

Doesn't it ever get tiring being on the same message board for several years now constantly arguing with random people to prove so badly that your opinions are right?

trading our 1st rounder and worried about our future?
- OilHead1989

Did you quote the wrong post ?



For a franchise 1 defender? Hell yeah. I don’t think there will be any future to look forward to if we don’t right the ship ASAP.

Wait, are u under the impression that all high picks turn into superstars inside 2 seasons ?
Well, let me first say I love the enthusiasm son, but I’ve got some bad news for ya...

Doesn't it ever get tiring being on the same message board for several years now constantly arguing with random people to prove so badly that your opinions are right?
- Confidenceking77

There are no facts here on hockeybuzz it’s all fiction.

Doesn't it ever get tiring being on the same message board for several years now constantly arguing with random people to prove so badly that your opinions are right?
- Confidenceking77

Dude, one post and you’ve got me bored of your shtick already .

And nah

Is your implication that one isn’t cool to stay on the same board ? Or that u should stop enjoying talking Hockey after a year or two ? Or that, you should be more agreeable because it’s tiring to disagree? Or that you should only argue with people you know?

I'm just waiting for the draft at this point while watching ACM in the Europa's.

As for what really caused the problems going into this year was trading Ebs and gutting depth (Pouliot, Pitlick, Oesterle of the top off my head), resigning Russell to an albatross of a contract... Pretty much the entire prior offseason, couple that with the Sekera injury and my oh my....

Ain't all doom and gloom, but Chia's ass needs to be fired based on the previous offseason alone for the better of this team (clearly shows he hasn't learned a thing about cap management and from his mistakes in Boston). Worst offseason like ever during my 19 years on this planet.

Regardless, thank god Pulj is coming about.

Yep . I hear that often. And it sucks. Can’t even say Connor or leon or nuge are having down years. They were/are all having good to great seasons. ->26th


Went up the local mtn this morning after a blizzard here in van and tweaked an old knee injury abit.
So I’m with ya on that one bud. 3 caesars deep
- HB77

We’re on about the same pace. Thankfully this should allow us to reach the proper level of intoxication prior to tonight’s game.

Dude, one post and you’ve got me bored of your shtick already .

And nah

Is your implication that one isn’t cool to stay on the same board ? Or that u should stop enjoying talking Hockey after a year or two ? Or that, you should be more agreeable because it’s tiring to disagree? Or that you should only argue with people you know?
- HB77

Me thinks you’re asking too many questions, and not doing enough drinking.

We’re on about the same pace. Thankfully this should allow us to reach the proper level of intoxication prior to tonight’s game.
- Wildschwein

👍

I’ll have to switch gears soon tho. 3 caesars is pretty much my limit

Probably Gin....mmmmm

Me thinks you’re asking too many questions, and not doing enough drinking.
- Wildschwein

This is a fact.

👍

I’ll have to switch gears soon tho. 3 caesars is pretty much my limit

Probably Gin....mmmmm
- HB77

I’m gonna stick with whiskey today. White Owl in particular.

Did you quote the wrong post ?



For a franchise 1 defender? Hell yeah. I don’t think there will be any future to look forward to if we don’t right the ship ASAP.

Wait, are u under the impression that all high picks turn into superstars inside 2 seasons ?
Well, let me first say I love the enthusiasm son, but I’ve got some bad news for ya...
- HB77

I’d rather trade Lucic and our 1st rounder to get rid of him, so we can have a future. How the heck are we gonna have a franchise defender with our salary cap next season?

I’d rather trade Lucic and our 1st rounder to get rid of him, so we can have a future. How the heck are we gonna have a franchise defender with our salary cap next season?
- OilHead1989

Not only does lucic have a no trade, but he’s got 5 more years. Who wants that deal?
I mean it’s possible, but unlikely.


As far as the defender, let’s guess Oel. He’s Prob gonna want 8.
Klefboms 4 probably has to go the other way to start. Salary cap raises abit so let’s say another 2 accounted for.
Then yeah, Could probably make that final 2 work or something. maybe another pick to add in a small dump

Let’s say we end up at #2 in the draft, who do you want? I think 2-5 is a tough choice

Let’s say we end up at #2 in the draft, who do you want? I think 2-5 is a tough choice
- sfrizz

Zadina. The answer is always Zadina.

I don't know about "a few really simple fixes" but yes, a competent management team would do you wonders.

Your centre depth is excellent, a true 1-2-3 up the middle as good as anybodys in the league.

Your wingers are average at best.

You've got 4x #3-4 defencemen, and whatever's left.

And a good starting goaltender.

You need to add three top 6 wingers and 2 top pairing defencemen and your back in the race for the most part.

If 5 really good players is a "few" to you, it's "more than a few" to me.

Can be done, but not with Chia.
- Flamin_Irishmin

I disagree with your assessment.

My thoughts put simply (he says before writing an essay...) are that we only need one true top-6 winger and a couple other "right fits". What I mean by "right fits" are exactly what Calgary employs in their top-6. Neither Ferland or Frolik are classically defined top-6 players, but because they fit the role their linemates need, they get by (Frolik) or thrive (Ferland).

With how our team's cap structure has to operate, we essentially need to have our top 3 lines to drive positive goals for (GF) results and our 4th line to not give up so much that they negate our top 9's positive impact. To break it down:

McDavid has consistently driven his lines to at or above 55% GF regardless of linemates (exception being Caggiula). It's safe to assume that he will continue doing so and that he can carry two less than optimal top 6 guys to those results because he has done so this year with the exact two I'm suggesting: Lucic and Puljujarvi. That's line 1.

Draisaitl has pretty consistently drive his lines to at or around 50% GF despite having sub-optimal linemates (Lucic, Slepyshev, Strome, Khaira, etc) but that's not quite where we need him with our cap structure.

Ideally we want to aim for that 55% GF mark for this line, as well. To achieve this, you look back and see what it's taken for him to achieve these results in the past. His time with Hall and McDavid are times where his line has driven upwards of 60% GF. What is similar about McDavid and Hall? They're both excellent, fast skaters that drive possession and drive defenders back to give Draisaitl space to work his magic. There you have your criteria for acquiring the true top 6 winger I mentioned earlier: find a fast skater that pushes positive possession results from the wing (Hoffman, Skinner, Kreider, Nyquist, Sheary, Tatar, etc).

To compliment those two higher end skill guys, you probably want a balanced two-way guy in the mold of a Frolik. Options there are bit tough to discern, but he doesn't need to skate well as neither "other" linemate from the Hall-Draisaitl and McDavid-Draisaitl duos was a good skater (Purcell and Maroon). Just need to be able to make and take a pass and function without carrying the puck much.

Third line becomes a tad tougher as we're likely having to move Nuge in order to acquire the aforementioned top 6 winger, but it's FAR easier to craft a 3rd line that pushes positive GF results than it is to make a 2nd or 1st line do so. Easy enough that we actually already have a tandem that does so, in fact. Strome and Khaira when together have maintained positive results in GF and possession while playing a low event style conducive to a successful 3rd line. If you can enhance that line by adding another low event player that brings some speed to the equation (Hagelin would be cheap and Slepy has done well with them), I think you've set yourself up with a strong, results-driving 3rd line.

The final step is managing to avoid a "blackhole" 4th line like the one Letestu has centered this year. Gotta get them up from a sub-35% GF up to AT LEAST 40% (ideally higher) and doing that starts with ridding the team of Letestu. To replace him, you want to compliment Kassian's high-octane style with a fast skilled guy (perhaps an elite AHL scorer) and a solid skating defensive conscience (Calvert and T Mitchell come to mind).

With that, you've fixed the general structure of the forward core and then need to turn your attention to tearing apart the special teams as they have been the biggest contributor to the team's failure this year. To do so, I honestly fire the coaches. This isn't the only reason I fire them, but it plays into the decision. Bring in Sheldon Keefe.

D corps is fine. We have at least 3 2nd pairing guys (4 if Sekera bounces back) and that's as good as the competitive teams we're trying to stylistically emulate (Dallas, Pittsburgh). Maybe swap a Klefbom or Nurse out for a Barrie or Trouba, but I don't pay it too much mind. I'm confident that the change in systems will change the perception of our D corps' puck movement pretty much overnight.

I wonder how much Snow is paying Chia?

Let’s say we end up at #2 in the draft, who do you want? I think 2-5 is a tough choice
- sfrizz

2 or 3, I aim for Zadina if he's there. If we land at 4 or 5, I do Boqvist. Anywhere below that and I'm targeting Dobson or Smith.

I disagree with your assessment.

My thoughts put simply are that we only need one true top-6 winger and a couple other "right fits". What I mean by "right fits" are exactly what Calgary employs in their top-6. Neither Ferland or Frolik are classically defined top-6 players, but because they fit the role their linemates need, they get by (Frolik) or thrive (Ferland).

With how our team's cap structure has to operate, we essentially need to have our top 3 lines to drive positive goals for (GF) results and our 4th line to not give up so much that they negate our top 9's positive impact. To break it down:

McDavid has consistently driven his lines to at or above 55% GF regardless of linemates (exception being Caggiula). It's safe to assume that he will continue doing so and that he can carry two less than optimal top 6 guys to those results because he has done so this year with the exact two I'm suggesting: Lucic and Puljujarvi. That's line 1.

Draisaitl has pretty consistently drive his lines to at or around 50% GF despite having sub-optimal linemates (Lucic, Slepyshev, Strome, Khaira, etc) but that's not quite where we need him with our cap structure.

Ideally we want to aim for that 55% GF mark for this line, as well. To achieve this, you look back and see what it's taken for him to achieve these results in the past. His time with Hall and McDavid are times where his line has driven upwards of 60% GF. What is similar about McDavid and Hall? They're both excellent, fast skaters that drive possession and drive defenders back to give Draisaitl space to work his magic. There you have your criteria for acquiring the true top 6 winger I mentioned earlier: find a fast skater that pushes positive possession results from the wing (Hoffman, Skinner, Kreider, Nyquist, Sheary, Tatar, etc).

To compliment those two higher end skill guys, you probably want a balanced two-way guy in the mold of a Frolik. Options there are bit tough to discern, but he doesn't need to skate well as neither "other" linemate from the Hall-Draisaitl and McDavid-Draisaitl duos was a good skater (Purcell and Maroon). Just need to be able to make and take a pass and function without carrying the puck much.

Third line becomes a tad tougher as we're likely having to move Nuge in order to acquire the aforementioned top 6 winger, but it's FAR easier to craft a 3rd line that pushes positive GF results than it is to make a 2nd or 1st line do so. Easy enough that we actually already have a tandem that does so, in fact. Strome and Khaira when together have maintained positive results in GF and possession while playing a low event style conducive to a successful 3rd line. If you can enhance that line by adding another low event player that brings some speed to the equation (Hagelin would be cheap and Slepy has done well with them), I think you've set yourself up with a strong, results-driving 3rd line.

The final step is managing to avoid a "blackhole" 4th line like the one Letestu has centered this year. Gotta get them up from a sub-35% GF up to AT LEAST 40% (ideally higher) and doing that starts with ridding the team of Letestu. To replace him, you want to compliment Kassian's high-octane style with a fast skilled guy (perhaps an elite AHL scorer) and a solid skating defensive conscience (Calvert and T Mitchell come to mind).

With that, you've fixed the general structure of the forward core and then need to turn your attention to tearing apart the special teams as they have been the biggest contributor to the team's failure this year. To do so, I honestly fire the coaches. This isn't the only reason I fire them, but it plays into the decision. Bring in Sheldon Keefe.

D corps is fine. We have at least 3 2nd pairing guys (4 if Sekera bounces back) and that's as good as the competitive teams we're trying to stylistically emulate (Dallas, Pittsburgh). Maybe swap a Klefbom or Nurse out for a Barrie or Trouba, but I don't pay it too much mind. I'm confident that the change in systems will change the perception of our D corps' puck movement pretty much overnight.
- MaximumBone

Why did you have to post this AFTER I tied into the whiskey?

Not only does lucic have a no trade, but he’s got 5 more years. Who wants that deal?
I mean it’s possible, but unlikely.


As far as the defender, let’s guess Oel. He’s Prob gonna want 8.
Klefboms 4 probably has to go the other way to start. Salary cap raises abit so let’s say another 2 accounted for.
Then yeah, Could probably make that final 2 work or something. maybe another pick to add in a small dump
- HB77

Maybe he can waive it to go to Vegas, looks like they’re taking on contracts for free

I wonder how much Snow is paying Chia?
- laughs2907

Gives him season tickets to the Islanders.

Why did you have to post this AFTER I tied into the whiskey?
- Wildschwein

Your fault for day-drinking. Should be able to handle your liquor better

I disagree with your assessment.

My thoughts put simply (he says before writing an essay...) are that we only need one true top-6 winger and a couple other "right fits". What I mean by "right fits" are exactly what Calgary employs in their top-6. Neither Ferland or Frolik are classically defined top-6 players, but because they fit the role their linemates need, they get by (Frolik) or thrive (Ferland).

With how our team's cap structure has to operate, we essentially need to have our top 3 lines to drive positive goals for (GF) results and our 4th line to not give up so much that they negate our top 9's positive impact. To break it down:

McDavid has consistently driven his lines to at or above 55% GF regardless of linemates (exception being Caggiula). It's safe to assume that he will continue doing so and that he can carry two less than optimal top 6 guys to those results because he has done so this year with the exact two I'm suggesting: Lucic and Puljujarvi. That's line 1.

Draisaitl has pretty consistently drive his lines to at or around 50% GF despite having sub-optimal linemates (Lucic, Slepyshev, Strome, Khaira, etc) but that's not quite where we need him with our cap structure.

Ideally we want to aim for that 55% GF mark for this line, as well. To achieve this, you look back and see what it's taken for him to achieve these results in the past. His time with Hall and McDavid are times where his line has driven upwards of 60% GF. What is similar about McDavid and Hall? They're both excellent, fast skaters that drive possession and drive defenders back to give Draisaitl space to work his magic. There you have your criteria for acquiring the true top 6 winger I mentioned earlier: find a fast skater that pushes positive possession results from the wing (Hoffman, Skinner, Kreider, Nyquist, Sheary, Tatar, etc).

To compliment those two higher end skill guys, you probably want a balanced two-way guy in the mold of a Frolik. Options there are bit tough to discern, but he doesn't need to skate well as neither "other" linemate from the Hall-Draisaitl and McDavid-Draisaitl duos was a good skater (Purcell and Maroon). Just need to be able to make and take a pass and function without carrying the puck much.

Third line becomes a tad tougher as we're likely having to move Nuge in order to acquire the aforementioned top 6 winger, but it's FAR easier to craft a 3rd line that pushes positive GF results than it is to make a 2nd or 1st line do so. Easy enough that we actually already have a tandem that does so, in fact. Strome and Khaira when together have maintained positive results in GF and possession while playing a low event style conducive to a successful 3rd line. If you can enhance that line by adding another low event player that brings some speed to the equation (Hagelin would be cheap and Slepy has done well with them), I think you've set yourself up with a strong, results-driving 3rd line.

The final step is managing to avoid a "blackhole" 4th line like the one Letestu has centered this year. Gotta get them up from a sub-35% GF up to AT LEAST 40% (ideally higher) and doing that starts with ridding the team of Letestu. To replace him, you want to compliment Kassian's high-octane style with a fast skilled guy (perhaps an elite AHL scorer) and a solid skating defensive conscience (Calvert and T Mitchell come to mind).

With that, you've fixed the general structure of the forward core and then need to turn your attention to tearing apart the special teams as they have been the biggest contributor to the team's failure this year. To do so, I honestly fire the coaches. This isn't the only reason I fire them, but it plays into the decision. Bring in Sheldon Keefe.

D corps is fine. We have at least 3 2nd pairing guys (4 if Sekera bounces back) and that's as good as the competitive teams we're trying to stylistically emulate (Dallas, Pittsburgh). Maybe swap a Klefbom or Nurse out for a Barrie or Trouba, but I don't pay it too much mind. I'm confident that the change in systems will change the perception of our D corps' puck movement pretty much overnight.
- MaximumBone

Letestu has been horrible to watch this season. No hustle.

Why does Chia answer Snow's calls

Davy is a low risk bottom pair guy.
- ghostofRC

And he gets a 3rd for a guy who has played 23 games. He's an RFA. Always a chance he gets sent down again and Edmonton picks him up on waivers.

And he gets a 3rd for a guy who has played 23 games. He's an RFA. Always a chance he gets sent down again and Edmonton picks him up on waivers.
- KrisRussellIsBad

Or sign him in the offseason if he feels like coming back Seems to like Edmonton a whole lot so I wouldn't put it past him. I'd happily take him back as a cheap bottom pairing guy.