they went to the ecf and couldn't sell out consistently. how is that into the ground? the team tanked this season theyre choosing to rebuild or retool. same as the rangers are doing. you dont kick owners out for that.
- systemtool

Again #1. The Pens didn't sell out in the ECF either.
#2. it's completely different, the Rangers are rebuilding with the full confidence of their fans because they have been open with their fans as to what they are doing and are making positive moves.

The Sens have said it's not a rebuild it's a "retool" and they have fans jumping ship, rumors about ownership and Karlsson, etc. It's a completely different situation

You kick owners out for alienating their franchise players and making a fool of himself and the organization.
- Makesnosens

oh. give me examples of anyone being booted for reasons other than financial.

oh. give me examples of anyone being booted for reasons other than financial.
- systemtool

Different league, but that NBA owner was booted for his racist comments wasnt he?

Id have to imagine the NHL has similar provisions. But those still don't apply here.

Again #1. The Pens didn't sell out in the ECF either.
#2. it's completely different, the Rangers are rebuilding with the full confidence of their fans because they have been open with their fans as to what they are doing and are making positive moves.

The Sens have said it's not a rebuild it's a "retool" and they have fans jumping ship, rumors about ownership and Karlsson, etc. It's a completely different situation
- Maverick1818

going from the ecf to the basement is never a fun thing. nor is rebuildibg or retooling and losing your best players but it happens often. its not a popularity contest. he stepped in when the sens were in dire straits and the nhl isn't going to force him to sell because of a popularity contest. theyll ask him to shut up...but selling his team isnt an easy demand.

So why not just force that to happen? having EM as an owner clearly is hurting the NHL brand in Ottawa, Ontario and Canada. Not selling out games and low season ticket holders looks bad for Ottawa but it also brings down the NHL averages which again makes the NHL look bad.
- Maverick1818

Yet somehow having EM as the owner wasn't hurting the team when they went to the ECF last year, right? There are many other teams that don't just recklessly spend to the cap every year or have to make hard roster choices, and somehow these fan bases don't interpret that as an affront to the league's brand.

oh. give me examples of anyone being booted for reasons other than financial.
- systemtool

You can find someone else to argue with, I’m just telling you why fans are sick of him.

Oduya appear to be a healthy scratch

Oduya appear to be a healthy scratch
- BoutchBouchard

That could just be because he sucks hahahaha

You can find someone else to argue with, I’m just telling you why fans are sick of him.
- Makesnosens

and they should be! but owners don't get forced to sell over popularity. he would have to cross a major line or go bankrupt or have cheques bounce for that to happen. not arguing, just disagreeing the nhl can just boot him.

If fans stop going to games, the team will head for bankruptcy very fast. That's on EM 100%.

He compared us to a Macdonald's franchise. Macdonald's can pull a franchise from an owner and sell it to someone else if it's not being run to their level of expectations.

As sports team is a franchise on behalf of the NHL. How is that any different?

To me there is one way to solve this problem, sign Karlsson, sign Duchene, stick to making minor tweaks as planned and start spending to the cap... that would shut everyone up and maybe win a few fans back and get this team back on track.
- Maverick1818

So what is it that you want? You have been saying that Dorion should be fired if Karlsson is traded, while saying Karlsson should be resigned at all costs. But you also say that you do not think Karlsson's leadership is adequate. You want him to resign with Ottawa but strip him of his captaincy?

and they should be! but owners don't get forced to sell over popularity. he would have to cross a major line or go bankrupt or have cheques bounce for that to happen. not arguing, just disagreeing the nhl can just boot him.
- systemtool

I think if fans stopped going to games he would be forced to sell pretty quick.

My point was more that other businesses do it all the time so why can't the NHL?

So what is it that you want? You have been saying that Dorion should be fired if Karlsson is traded, while saying Karlsson should be resigned at all costs. But you also say that you do not think Karlsson's leadership is adequate. You want him to resign with Ottawa but strip him of his captaincy?
- Mpepe1084

I have my idea of what the team should do, just like any other fan. I've more just stated that I don't think Karlsson is a good leader.

In a perfect world, we would resign him. and Yes I don't think PD is a good GM at all. I say he should be fired because no matter what for him it's a lose lose. He'll always be known as the Gm that traded Karlsson, you really can't get out of that positively.

I think if fans stopped going to games he would be forced to sell pretty quick.

My point was more that other businesses do it all the time so why can't the NHL?
- Maverick1818

because its not like other businesses. and no the fans won't stop going enough to force that. hes waiting for that new development deal so he can cash in and ride those coat tails.

Hope you guys enjoy Karlsson's last game as a sen

Hope you guys enjoy Karlsson's last game as a sen
- Tumbleweed

youre such a dlck

because its not like other businesses. and no the fans won't stop going enough to force that. hes waiting for that new development deal so he can cash in and ride those coat tails.
- systemtool

I disagree it's an NHL Franchise. just like Macdonalds or GM or Tim's is a franchise. It's just on a bigger scale.

All of those business owners can be forced out or to sell by the company if that company deems they are not running it to their standards.

I'm not saying it would happen, but I'm saying why is this any different?

youre such a dlck
- systemtool

Never thought I would agree with a Leaf fan. but you are right he is a Richard lol

Hope you guys enjoy Karlsson's last game as a sen
- Tumbleweed

Mckenzie says they're not just listening but actively negotiating at this point.

Mckenzie says they're not just listening but actively negotiating at this point.
- david22

To me, it's a done deal now. Way too much garbage being thrown around for him to stay. He may not get traded by Monday, but will be by the summer, unless something drastically changes. This seems a lot like the Spezza trade stuff where he probably shouldn't have been traded, but there was a point of no return with negotiations and rumours.

I hope they can at least make it a hockey trade rather than budget move/just want to move on ASAP move.

looks like Sharks are your dancing partners. So...For Karlsson...what do you want from these guys?

looks like Sharks are your dancing partners. So...For Karlsson...what do you want from these guys?
- BoutchBouchard

Doesn't seem like a fit really. Leblanc or Meier probably need to be included. I don't really see the Sharks giving up a significant roster player in a trade, much like the Lightning.

Doesn't seem like a fit really. Leblanc or Meier probably need to be included. I don't really see the Sharks giving up a significant roster player in a trade, much like the Lightning.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I wonder if it will be vegas. Before the ryan news dropped id have said no but...

They have lots of cap space to fit Ryan in. They'd have to basically empty the small cupboard they have .

William Karlsson is going to need a huge raise though. As if he only makes 1M a year.

If they get the Ryan of last years playoffs they'd be a force.

The government really needs to fix Phoenix pay. It's obviously not the be all end all with some of the Sens woes, but you have economic instability in the largest potential purchasers of your product and you're dead. Let alone a lot of that potential market are fans of Montreal or Toronto to start with (and Boston has a weird footing here too) limiting the market even more.

I wonder if it will be vegas. Before the ryan news dropped id have said no but...

They have lots of cap space to fit Ryan in. They'd have to basically empty the small cupboard they have .

William Karlsson is going to need a huge raise though. As if he only makes 1M a year.

If they get the Ryan of last years playoffs they'd be a force.
- david22

I just can't see a team taking on Ryan for essentially a one year run. Vegas has a lot of guys to resign in the summer. Almost all require raises due to the teams great season. It will be interesting tho.

Sounds like the only way a Karlsson deal gets done is having Ryan connected and having a 3rd team involved. Dorion loves complicated deals it seems.

The government really needs to fix Phoenix pay. It's obviously not the be all end all with some of the Sens woes, but you have economic instability in the largest potential purchasers of your product and you're dead. Let alone a lot of that potential market are fans of Montreal or Toronto to start with (and Boston has a weird footing here too) limiting the market even more.
- AdamFrench

This is a huge issue. People who say it's not are delusional. Like you say, not the sole cause of all the issues, but a contributing one. How is one supposed to justify spending 100s of dollars on hockey game when they haven't been paid in over a year?