Why didnt the press ask:

Are you feeling the heat?
Why didnt you fire the coaching staff or at the very least change the special teams coaches...
Do you think the Islanders will take back Strome for Eberle?
Have you ever won a trade?
How dated are you with your crash and bang approach
Where are the Oilers going to be with a now empty cupboard and cap strapped?
Are you going to be a dummy and (frank) up our center depth?
- saskoil21

The only point I'm gonna contest here is it's not like the cupboards are completely barren. Not like the Canucks of old. All it takes is a wise trade or two (a lot to ask, I know), a smart signing or two in the offseason and a strong draft and they could completely turn around their prospect system.

Let's say they add a guy like Cirelli or Joseph and a couple picks through trade, sign a college UFA or two and then draft Dobson (~8th), Hillis or Fonstad (~39th) and make good late round bets like they have since Chiarelli's staff has taken over (Jones, Bear, Marino, Berglund, Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin). With all the positive arrows from their prospects lately, that's a good system.

*trades away all of our speed.

A year later “ were looking to add speed”



He did comment on the C depth and said that’s a lot of cap to be tied up in 3 Centers...
Bye Nuge.
- Iggysbff

(frank)- that dummy will (frank) up the Oilers even worse if he trades Nuge... Teams will kill for our center depth... and he will trade Nuge then sign another (frank)ing Pouliot type player for 4 mill...

- Confidenceking77

knew it.

(frank)- that dummy will (frank) up the Oilers even worse if he trades Nuge... Teams will kill for our center depth... and he will trade Nuge then sign another (frank)ing Pouliot type player for 4 mill...
- saskoil21

Super important lesson that's worth learning from: don't sign big money UFAs

The only point I'm gonna contest here is it's not like the cupboards are completely barren. Not like the Canucks of old. All it takes is a wise trade or two, a smart signing or two in the offseason and a strong draft and they could completely turn around their prospect system.

Let's say they add a guy like Cirelli or Joseph and a couple picks through trade, sign a college UFA or two and then draft Dobson (~8th), Hillis or Fonstad (~39th) and make good late round bets like they have since Chiarelli's staff has taken over (Jones, Bear, Marino, Berglund, Maksimov, Samorukov, Safin).
- MaximumBone

None of these guys are sure things. We could see none of them in the NHl. You’re getting way ahead of yourself.

Super important lesson that's worth learning from: don't sign big money UFAs
- MaximumBone

Exactly- we were following signing a few- but moulding from within... Then Chia comes in and poof....gone

Winning the lottery would be absurd, but if it happened I'd almost immediately look at getting rid of Sekera to an Eastern team for a roster player and a pick (Girgensons and a 2nd). Following that, I'd explore the possibility of Klefbom or Nurse for a comparable RHD (Barrie or Trouba).

Nurse- Larsson
Dahlin- RHD
Russell- Benning
Davidson, Auvitu

Then I'd buyout Russell next year if they couldn't find a suitor (Ottawa seems like a fit) and proceed to melt faces as Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Samorukov, Berglund and Marino percolate in the minors
- MaximumBone

Russell is an offensive defenseman god. 21 points.

People actually really like him with the whole shot blocking thing. He's making a bit too much but he's been very solid this year. Next to Nurse probably their most unexpected step forward.

Super important lesson that's worth learning from: don't sign big money UFAs
- MaximumBone

But remember that one time he signed Chara to a huge deal and it worked great for him? So he must know what he’s doing...

All of these would be nice, especially the latter. Yet I feel it is also the least likely to occur.

Also, for curiosities sake, what’s your opinion on Benson?
- Wildschwein

Always injured.

None of these guys are sure things. We could see none of them in the NHl. You’re getting way ahead of yourself.
- Iggysbff

What you say is true of literally every prospect pool in the league. Should I not speak highly of Vancouver's prospect pool because they're not "sure things"? I'm not asserting that they're sure things or even safe bets, but positive arrows is really all you can hope for out of most draft+1 to draft+3 prospects. Most late round guys don't make it or get close until year 4 or 5.

What a ridiculous point to try to make. Why is it that you seem to feel the need to make me qualify every statement? Don't go assuming that I mean they're all sure things when it's pretty clear if you consider my posting history that I don't mean that. This should be blatantly obvious when I called them "good bets". What is bet but "not a sure thing"? Would you prefer I call them "gambles"?

Russell is an offensive defenseman god. 21 points.

People actually really like him with the whole shot blocking thing. He's making a bit too much but he's been very solid this year. Next to Nurse probably their most unexpected step forward.
- KrisRussellIsBad

Doesn't make his contract any less desirable- especially given the team's cap structure.

What you say is true of literally every prospect pool in the league. Should I not speak highly of Vancouver's prospect pool because they're not "sure things"? I'm not asserting that they're sure things or even safe bets, but positive arrows is really all you can hope for out of most draft+1 to draft+3 prospects. Most late round guys don't make it or get close until year 4 or 5.

What a ridiculous point to try to make. Why is it that you seem to feel the need to make me qualify every statement? Don't go assuming that I mean they're all sure things when it's pretty clear if you consider my posting history that I don't mean that. This should be blatantly obvious when I called them "good bets". What is bet but "not a sure thing"? Would you prefer I call them "gambles"?
- MaximumBone

You stated Chia and his staff have recently made great late round bets. There is nothing to say any of them will be anything of consequence. Guys like Chase, Paigan, Betker, Gernat and more were all considered as pretty good bets too. Until they aren’t. If you don’t want people to challenge your assessment then don’t give one that isn’t warranted.

You stated Chia and his staff have recently made great late round bets. There is nothing to say any of them will be anything of consequence. Guys like Chase, Paigan, Betker, Gernat and more were all considered as pretty good bets too. Until they aren’t. If you don’t want people to challenge your assessment then don’t give one that isn’t warranted.
- Iggysbff

How is that different from any prospect from any other team?

Many of the names Maxbone listed are trending in a positive direction. That’s pretty much all anyone can ask of any prospect until they make the bigs.

How is that different from any prospect from any other team?

Many of the names Maxbone listed are trending in a positive direction. That’s pretty much all anyone can ask of any prospect until they make the bigs.
- Wildschwein

So were all the guys I mentioned. Until they prove something at the NHL level they are not proven at all. So if that is no different than any other teams prospects then why say Chia and his staff have done great? Our farm team looks terrible

You stated Chia and his staff have recently made great late round bets. There is nothing to say any of them will be anything of consequence. Guys like Chase, Paigan, Betker, Gernat and more were all considered as pretty good bets too. Until they aren’t. If you don’t want people to challenge your assessment then don’t give one that isn’t warranted.
- Iggysbff

Never said great late round bets; I said good. My- and most others'- classification for a good late round bet is a player with a projectable offensive ceiling and who looks poised to improve. All of the guys I mentioned (excluding Marino) took or are taking substantial steps forward in their first post-draft season. That constitutes a positive development and an overall positive trajectory for the trend towards their potential for a career. The ones who are beyond their first post-draft season all took and are taking steps forward in their 2nd and 3rd seasons after drafting once again constituting positive growth and an improved trajectory towards an NHL career.

What more do you want out of a prospect? Am I not allowed to speak positively of our prospects for the mere fact that they "haven't made it yet and might never make it"? Get bent. That is easily the weakest argument I've heard on this site.

You're not even challenging my assessment; you're impotently challenging the semantics of my point. If you were to challenge my assessment, you'd raise a point that counters my argument instead of trying to pick apart my exact wording on how I could possibly call a positively trending, higher ceiling late round pick as a good bet (ignoring that a "good bet" in NHL late round drafting standards equates to anything above 15% chance to make it).

So were all the guys I mentioned. Until they prove something at the NHL level they are not proven at all. So if that is no different than any other teams prospects then why say Chia and his staff have done great? Our farm team looks terrible
- Iggysbff

Agreed. But there is nothing wrong with appreciating positive growth in said prospects before they make the pro leagues, which is what Maxbone is doing.

Never said great late round bets; I said good. My- and most others'- classification for a good late round bet is a player with a projectable offensive ceiling and who looks poised to improve. All of the guys I mentioned (excluding Marino) took or are taking substantial steps forward in their first post-draft season. That constitutes a positive development and an overall positive trajectory for the trend towards their potential for a career. The ones who are beyond their first post-draft season all took and are taking steps forward in their 2nd and 3rd seasons after drafting once again constituting positive growth and an improved trajectory towards an NHL career.

What more do you want out of a prospect? Am I not allowed to speak positively of our prospects for the mere fact that they "haven't made it yet and might never make it"? Get bent. That is easily the weakest argument I've heard on this site.

You're not even challenging my assessment; you're impotently challenging the semantics of my point. If you were to challenge my assessment, you'd raise a point that counters my argument instead of trying to pick apart my exact wording on how I could possibly call a positively trending, higher ceiling late round pick as a good bet (ignoring that a "good bet" in NHL late round drafting standards equates to anything above 15% chance to make it).
- MaximumBone

Well said.

So were all the guys I mentioned. Until they prove something at the NHL level they are not proven at all. So if that is no different than any other teams prospects then why say Chia and his staff have done great? Our farm team looks terrible
- Iggysbff

There you go again conflating what I said with an exaggeration that only you make. You do this ALL the time to others to make them seem lesser and inferior to you and your less committal approach, but it doesn't work on me. I've seen it too many times. Your attempt to discredit my point is invalid when you try to impose your own false interpretation of my statement as reality. I'm sick of your style of misconstruing, misrepresenting and attempted discrediting.

At no point did I suggest they've done great; merely that they're getting all the negative credit for drafting that belongs to prior management teams.

Well said.
- Wildschwein

Lol. Blow him Already. He made a dumb statement and I called him in it.
Every fan of every team can make the exact claim he did. This argument from you guys is JB level.

There you go again conflating what I said with an exaggeration that only you make. You do this ALL the time to others to make them seem lesser and inferior to you and your less committal approach, but it doesn't work on me. I've seen it too many times. Your attempt to discredit my point is invalid when you try to impose your own false interpretation of my statement as reality. I'm sick of your style of misconstruing, misrepresenting and attempted discrediting.

At no point did I suggest they've done great; merely that they're getting all the negative credit for drafting that belongs to prior management teams.
- MaximumBone

All of your points are invalid. Any (frank)ing fan of any team can make your statement.
Doesn’t prove a god damn thing. Your schtick is to talk up prospects as if you’ve been scouting them forever.

Lol. Blow him Already. He made a dumb statement and I called him in it.
Every fan of every team can make the exact claim he did. This argument from you guys is JB level.
- Iggysbff

And your argument is poorly constructed with no real point other than to try to assert authority by using the fallacious premise that I in any way believe our prospects are sure things. Any mongoloid can make the argument that "well, they're not sure things so you're getting ahead of yourself for assuming they'll make it". The intellectual arbiter act gets old fast.

Saw Moron Chias presser. Why is he still
Employed?
- Iggysbff

because you touch yourself

In your opinion, is Draisaitl a #1C?

In your opinion, is Draisaitl a #1C?
- KrisRussellIsBad

No

*trades away all of our speed.

A year later “ were looking to add speed”



He did comment on the C depth and said that’s a lot of cap to be tied up in 3 Centers...
Bye Nuge.
- Iggysbff

Don't worry he'll (frank) it up