It is pretty funny how everyone is banking on Liljegren being a star.

He is the only Leafs d prospect not in the NHL that has a chance of becoming a top 4 d. 1st round picks aren't even close to sure things.

So apperently our d sucks but when it suggested the Leafs try to improve in that area, they arent allowed to trade anything over Leivo and a 6th.
- Santo_44

orrrrrrrrrrrr some people think this team isn't a McDonagh away from being a contender so it's better to see how those guys that are 2/3 years away pan out when the Laffs are more likely to be contenders.

It's really not all about numbers. I'm not a big stats guy, but he isn't being used as #1 dman on a pretty terrible team like the Rangers so I would assume situationally they are used much different which does not help Mcd.

Do you think the Rangers would take Gardinder straight up for him? And if they would you would sit here and say no? I find that very hard to believe.
- RickJames77

Leaf fans say Chara sucks now too, but it is pretty simple to see he is still a reliable 2nd pairing guy. There are probably people on here who wouldn't even trade Lievo for him.

Leaf fans say Chara sucks now too, but it is pretty simple to see he is still a reliable 2nd pairing guy. There are probably people on here who wouldn't even trade Lievo for him.
- Santo_44

Leivo for Chara?

I definitely would..

It might actually work.. Leivo can replace the grit that Vatrano brought.

Leaf fans say Chara sucks now too, but it is pretty simple to see he is still a reliable 2nd pairing guy. There are probably people on here who wouldn't even trade Lievo for him.
- Santo_44

Chara doesn't suck yet but he's definitely slowed down a lot and is no longer "Rag Doll McCabe" level.

Leivo for Chara?

I definitely would..

It might actually work.. Leivo can replace the grit that Vatrano brought.
- PatC80

(frank) you Pat. (frank) you straight in the ass.

Damien Cox‏
@DamoSpin

It would be patently absurd for the Maple Leafs to include either Nylander or Mariner in any deal for McDonagh.

9:14 AM - 22 Feb 2018 from Toronto, Ontario

Hjarlmason is not even close to being on Mcdonagh's level

He is not similar at all.
- Santo_44

no, but if he's willing to come here, i'd take him

looks real good stabilizing the right side with chychurn.

Damien Cox‏
@DamoSpin

It would be patently absurd for the Maple Leafs to include either Nylander or Mariner in any deal for McDonagh.

9:14 AM - 22 Feb 2018 from Toronto, Ontario
- Atomic Wedgie

you know it's bad when cox is the voice of reason

It's really not all about numbers. I'm not a big stats guy, but he isn't being used as #1 dman on a pretty terrible team like the Rangers so I would assume situationally they are used much different which does not help Mcd.

Do you think the Rangers would take Gardinder straight up for him? And if they would you would sit here and say no? I find that very hard to believe.
- RickJames77

That wasn't the proposed deal that you said wasn't enough. And something to ponder....the leafs are in 6th overall. Does McD replacing Gardiner change that position? My point is I'm not sure it does. So why are we including the other assets to be in the same position? Personally....I actually like 5 of our d..Reilly, Gardiner, zaitsev, dermott, hainsey. ..and no I'd rather add to it then do a sideways move that costs us additional assets.

orrrrrrrrrrrr some people think this team isn't a McDonagh away from being a contender so it's better to see how those guys that are 2/3 years away pan out when the Laffs are more likely to be contenders.
- markmark

They are 6th overall in the league, Mcdonagh is 28 years old....He still has a a long term contract of good hockey left. I hope the Leafs plan to win sometime between this year and the next 8.............

This would be a move to have Mcd this year, the next, and resigning him long term. I have a hard time believing Lou would trade for him without knowing he had a good chance of resigning him.

Players like this simply don't become available often. There is 0 harm in getting him now

Tanev to TO for Lilgren , a 2018 1st and a conditional pick in 2019.
Conditions are based on games played in 2019
Less then 41 games and it's a third, goes up to a 2nd if he plays 70 or more games, turns into a first whether or not he plays 41 games if he plays in 16 playoff games combined over the next two playoffs.

Leaf fans say Chara sucks now too, but it is pretty simple to see he is still a reliable 2nd pairing guy. There are probably people on here who wouldn't even trade Lievo for him.
- Santo_44

Hey...I'm not against trading assets for mcd. I just think trading one really productive dman for another is stupid.

(frank) you Pat. (frank) you straight in the ass.
- RickJames77

That wasn't the proposed deal that you said wasn't enough. And something to ponder....the leafs are in 6th overall. Does McD replacing Gardiner change that position? My point is I'm not sure it does. So why are we including the other assets to be in the same position? Personally....I actually like 5 of our d..Reilly, Gardiner, zaitsev, dermott, hainsey. ..and no I'd rather add to it then do a sideways move that costs us additional assets.
- mykokes

I felt the conversation switched when you said you don't think Mcd is ranked ahead of Gardiner anymore. If that's the case then why even bother with the spare parts? If you truly feel that way then you would decline Mcd for Gardiner straight up. Like I said, I have a hard time believing that. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything so don't take this the wrong way.

can't happen.

first Plekanec in a Leafs jersey would cause me to yack.

second, and more important... Lou won't allow beards, mustache or turtleneck
- BorjeFan4Ever

We rarely agree.

But by god I would yack right next to you good sir.

"he'll be 29 in a few months, by the time the leafs are ready to contend in a couple years he will either be gone, lost for nothing, or resigned to a bloated contract and on the steep slope down."

Apparently it is rocket science. I for one, would like to know how you know that he will be on a steep slope down and will sign a bad contract. Please, enlighten us.

When will Matthews hit a wall and decline fast? 25? 34? 40?
- Santo_44

duncan keith...remember how good he was at 28? howzabout seabrook.....and now? not so much.....
It's common sense, not to mention factual metrics that players begin their decline around 27-28.
I'll take McD, but not for the ridiculous ask rumours.....chrissakes vatrano just got the bruins a 3rd rounder. The guy can't even crack a line-up and has 2 goals.
The cost to attain will be overpayment and simply not worth gutting the Leafs plan.

(frank) you Pat. (frank) you straight in the ass.
- RickJames77

*fires up the hub*

That wasn't the proposed deal that you said wasn't enough. And something to ponder....the leafs are in 6th overall. Does McD replacing Gardiner change that position? My point is I'm not sure it does. So why are we including the other assets to be in the same position? Personally....I actually like 5 of our d..Reilly, Gardiner, zaitsev, dermott, hainsey. ..and no I'd rather add to it then do a sideways move that costs us additional assets.
- mykokes

I agree with you
“ Personally....I actually like 5 of our d..Reilly, Gardiner, zaitsev, dermott, hainsey!!”

Tanev to TO for Lilgren , a 2018 1st and a conditional pick in 2019.
Conditions are based on games played in 2019
Less then 41 games and it's a third, goes up to a 2nd if he plays 70 or more games, turns into a first whether or not he plays 41 games if he plays in 16 playoff games combined over the next two playoffs.
- imsorry66

For a hurt defenseman. You guys are (frank)ing delusional.

Tanev to TO for Lilgren , a 2018 1st and a conditional pick in 2019.
Conditions are based on games played in 2019
Less then 41 games and it's a third, goes up to a 2nd if he plays 70 or more games, turns into a first whether or not he plays 41 games if he plays in 16 playoff games combined over the next two playoffs.
- imsorry66

Wtf

"he'll be 29 in a few months, by the time the leafs are ready to contend in a couple years he will either be gone, lost for nothing, or resigned to a bloated contract and on the steep slope down."

Apparently it is rocket science. I for one, would like to know how you know that he will be on a steep slope down and will sign a bad contract. Please, enlighten us.

When will Matthews hit a wall and decline fast? 25? 34? 40?
- Santo_44

A sixth place team isn't ready to contend, especially if if they add a few nice additions like Mcdonough, it's ludicris I tells ya..

Damien Cox‏
@DamoSpin

It would be patently absurd for the Maple Leafs to include either Nylander or Mariner in any deal for McDonagh.

9:14 AM - 22 Feb 2018 from Toronto, Ontario
- Atomic Wedgie

agreed.

I felt the conversation switched when you said you don't think Mcd is ranked ahead of Gardiner anymore. If that's the case then why even bother with the spare parts? If you truly feel that way then you would decline Mcd for Gardiner straight up. Like I said, I have a hard time believing that. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything so don't take this the wrong way.
- RickJames77

McD - Rielly
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev ( who'll be on Robidas Isle within 2 years is my guess ) Lilybust will replace him fairly easy....like with just his boots on easy.

Tanev to TO for Lilgren , a 2018 1st and a conditional pick in 2019.
Conditions are based on games played in 2019
Less then 41 games and it's a third, goes up to a 2nd if he plays 70 or more games, turns into a first whether or not he plays 41 games if he plays in 16 playoff games combined over the next two playoffs.
- imsorry66

Whaaaaaat? Ricky, dude.. come on RJ, you know, speaking of someone that needs to take something in their backside...

I think we have a new candidate

duncan keith...remember how good he was at 28? howzabout seabrook.....and now? not so much.....
It's common sense, not to mention factual metrics that players begin their decline around 27-28.
I'll take McD, but not for the ridiculous ask rumours.....chrissakes vatrano just got the bruins a 3rd rounder. The guy can't even crack a line-up and has 2 goals.
The cost to attain will be overpayment and simply not worth gutting the Leafs plan.
- Barx

Duncan Keith is still very good. Hawks have a terrible season and his production dropped but that doesn't make him suddently terrible.

Seabrook? In my opinion this guy has been overrated for a while... playing with Keith helped him tremendously.