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Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Feb 22 @ 1:40 PM ET
Can't get past today without asking…..where were you on Feb.22, 1980?

When this happened……….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYscemhnf88



Greatest moment in sports……………period.

- BobP.


I was sitting with coworkers at the bar at the Top Drawer Restaurant (Lawrence and Elston) watching the game “live”. Back in those days the only way to find out what happened on tape-delay stuff was to try calling one of the papers or local broadcast stations. No one bothered doing this, so our “live” tape-delay broadcast was completely suspenseful to those of us watching. Couldn’t replicate that today because everyone would have already had the results on their smart phone as it was happening. I do remember that event making temporary hockey fans out of people who have probably never given the game a sniff since.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Feb 22 @ 1:42 PM ET
Hossa has no coaching experience but if he was a scout in Europe would hugh benefit for the hawks if willing to do that. This just my opinion both stay bowman and Q Mcdough should go along with his lackey blunk and get a hockey guy as president of the team. Rocky should clean house but won't. If they do fire Q then hawks need a coach that can teach the young players and develop them at the same time have the respect of the veterans. Need a new vision direction pick a lane and go with it need draft better especially on d and goaltending no top 3 d man in the system as of right now and ready to go goalie to take over in couple of years plus there is no top 6 forwards in the system all projected to be bottom 6 forwards or ahler's right now. In the past 9 years under bowman saad dcat and smatlz are the only top 6 forwards drafted that have made it no defense or goalie i can recall have made it and stuck while bowman has been in charge. Leading to bowman should be fired along with daddy and mcdough.
- Scott1977

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 22 @ 1:43 PM ET
Honestly though Sullivan has added some nice wrinkles to how the Penguins play and if I had a choice between Q and Sullivan, definitely Sullivan.
tompo1015
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 03.17.2013

Feb 22 @ 1:44 PM ET
IF HEALTHY, Crow would be worth MULTIPLE prospects and picks. I'd take him over ANY GOALIE in the NHL to win in the playoffs. A team looking to win a Cup would struggle to do better than Crow when the lights are on.

That is precisely why I am OPPOSED to moving him. Unless the Hawks go full blown rebuild Crow should backstop this team until further notice. That boy is one boy who earned his 6 million per. Two time Cup champion and damn near single-handedly took us to the 2014 Cup (wanna see a beast goalie? Go back to that season and watch his work versus St. Louis and Minnesota...simply brilliant).

Crow STAYS in Chicago if I am running the show.

That said, his health is a big ???

- kwolf68



Agreed. But my concern about CC going forward other than his health is his age. 34 next year?
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 22 @ 1:46 PM ET
100% agree.

Kick in the a$$ here or there is fine, but if they need someone in there to tell them to do their job (a job that any of us would love to have), then they're soft.

- Hank3Henshaw


23 personalities. Some need a kick in the ass, come need encouragement or a pat on the back. One size does not fit all. They need to adapt to the coach too, not all the coach adapting to them.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Feb 22 @ 1:47 PM ET
Hossa has no coaching experience but if he was a scout in Europe would hugh benefit for the hawks if willing to do that. This just my opinion both stay bowman and Q Mcdough should go along with his lackey blunk and get a hockey guy as president of the team. Rocky should clean house but won't. If they do fire Q then hawks need a coach that can teach the young players and develop them at the same time have the respect of the veterans. Need a new vision direction pick a lane and go with it need draft better especially on d and goaltending no top 3 d man in the system as of right now and ready to go goalie to take over in couple of years plus there is no top 6 forwards in the system all projected to be bottom 6 forwards or ahler's right now. In the past 9 years under bowman saad dcat and smatlz are the only top 6 forwards drafted that have made it no defense or goalie i can recall have made it and stuck while bowman has been in charge. Leading to bowman should be fired along with daddy and mcdough.
- Scott1977


I am not a big fan of bringing star athletes back to coach upon retirement. Too often the stars get by on freaky god-given talent and don’t understand the nuances of what it takes to play well when you are not that star. Hossa is one I would take a chance on. He did have the god-given talent most humans dream of, but he played the game the right way and in many capacities that other stars don’t touch. He is also someone whose presence commands respect. I believe he would have the room and with the right set of assistants could be successful
thepld
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sin Bin
Joined: 04.18.2017

Feb 22 @ 1:51 PM ET
Drop McDonough. It wouldn't fix much but I just don't like how he gets the right to make hockey decisions.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 22 @ 1:56 PM ET
Drop McDonough. It wouldn't fix much but I just don't like how he gets the right to make hockey decisions.
- thepld


They might ask him his opinion about something or another but if this is general manager by board room then how can you fire Bowman?

I think writers and others give him more power then he really has.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Feb 22 @ 2:06 PM ET
So which off game do you yank him, seems like 4 out of 5 games he has one?
- BetweenTheDots


I don’t know but in the end this is how they compared:

Glass 14gms GAA 3.31 SV% .898

Forsberg 25gms GAA 2.90 SV% .910
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 22 @ 2:21 PM ET
They might ask him his opinion about something or another but if this is general manager by board room then how can you fire Bowman?

I think writers and others give him more power then he really has.

- BetweenTheDots


I agree. There is a hierarchy.
Rocky
McD
Bowman
Q
There is probably plenty of discussion and collaboration about strategy, player use, and player moves. But at the end of the day you make the decision and then defend it with your boss and those above him. If you make a number of bad decisions that were not popular and supported within the organizational discussions you lose your job. If you piss off your boss enough you lose your job.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Feb 22 @ 2:31 PM ET
I'm not close to the situation, but I have gone back and forth for some time about whether or not Q has lost the room. We all know coaches usually have shelf lives, if not always. If they aren't responding to him, then he should be replaced. Not going to get into the debate of whether or not he knows how to coach. He won three titles here, and I thank him for being a part of the reason why, as it was a lot of fun to watch it happen.
TexasHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.27.2017

Feb 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
What you don't understand is all 5 players have to work as one and you get so caught up in every little thing he does that you can't see he's teaching these players how to be better hockey players mentally. Even with line juggling, news flash Babcock and Sullivan do it. Guess what they will also play defenseman on their off side?

Do you know Crosby said watching how the Blackhawks played and how 5 guys played as one unit and how a defenseman would be active in the offensive zone and the forward would covet for him, its the most effective brand of hockey he's ever seen?

- BetweenTheDots


Do you have a link to the Crosby story? I would quite enjoy reading that article.

Beyond that, someone on this board mentioned that playing on your off side enabled a defenseman to cover more ice and stay close to the center of the rink. So, playing on your off side is better if you can do it because you move offensive players to less dangerous shooting zones.

On the trade deadline, would we expect trades for defensive talent? It seems that top offensive players are ready faster than defensive prospects are. Obvious exceptions would be Ekblad and other top 5 picks. It would seem that the Hawks would draft positions with faster development.
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MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Feb 22 @ 2:44 PM ET
I was sitting with coworkers at the bar at the Top Drawer Restaurant (Lawrence and Elston) watching the game “live”. Back in those days the only way to find out what happened on tape-delay stuff was to try calling one of the papers or local broadcast stations. No one bothered doing this, so our “live” tape-delay broadcast was completely suspenseful to those of us watching. Couldn’t replicate that today because everyone would have already had the results on their smart phone as it was happening. I do remember that event making temporary hockey fans out of people who have probably never given the game a sniff since.
- Spec41971

My folks were huge North Stars fans and back in the day, they used to take me to bars to watch the games because most of them weren't televised on network TV.

Watched the miracle in the living room of the house I grew up in... I was 10 years old. Still get goose bumps and tears in my eyes when I see it.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 22 @ 2:46 PM ET
I don’t know but in the end this is how they compared:

Glass 14gms GAA 3.31 SV% .898

Forsberg 25gms GAA 2.90 SV% .910

- walleyeb1


He did start out hot going 3-1-1, I understand his logic but in the end might as well play the younger goalie since Glass is 32
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

Feb 22 @ 2:49 PM ET
How much are scalpers getting for decent seats these days? Going to be in town for the March 6, 8 games... thinking i can get a great deal just before puck drop.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 22 @ 2:58 PM ET
Do you have a link to the Crosby story? I would quite enjoy reading that article.

Beyond that, someone on this board mentioned that playing on your off side enabled a defenseman to cover more ice and stay close to the center of the rink. So, playing on your off side is better if you can do it because you move offensive players to less dangerous shooting zones.

On the trade deadline, would we expect trades for defensive talent? It seems that top offensive players are ready faster than defensive prospects are. Obvious exceptions would be Ekblad and other top 5 picks. It would seem that the Hawks would draft positions with faster development.
.

- TexasHawk


No I don't, he was talking about it with the guys from nbc when they were doing all the interviews before the winter classic game at soldier field
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Feb 22 @ 3:06 PM ET
Duclair/Hinostroza + Hartman for one of the Canes young Dmen (preferably Slavin or Hanafin)
Anisimov to pretty much any East Playoff Team for a 1st OR NHL Ready D prospect
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Feb 22 @ 3:07 PM ET
Just finished watching the game from last night. Wow, what a SO goal by the cat!
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Feb 22 @ 3:09 PM ET
Tomas Jurco circa 2018



bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 22 @ 3:15 PM ET
PP is certainly inconsistent and very often ineffective, but:

Last 10 games - 7 PP goals in 34 attempts = 20.6%.

That's 7 PP goals out of 23 total goals in the 10 games - 30.4% of the total goals.

Not sure if that says the PP is OK - or the 5X5 is terrible.

- StLBravesFan


yeah and they still lost 8 of them....
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Feb 22 @ 3:16 PM ET
How much are scalpers getting for decent seats these days? Going to be in town for the March 6, 8 games... thinking i can get a great deal just before puck drop.
- jt19


You can get 300 level for $40-50 and 100 level for $100-200. Definitely worth waiting til game day and checking out StubHub etc.
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Feb 22 @ 3:16 PM ET
Duclair/Hinostroza + Hartman for one of the Canes young Dmen (preferably Slavin or Hanafin)
Anisimov to pretty much any East Playoff Team for a 1st OR NHL Ready D prospect

- EnzoD


Slavin comes with a $5.3M cap hit for the foreseeable future, but I would still agree.
Hanifin as a RFA, would be a great chance at locking him up.

I would do both of your mentioned trades hands down.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Feb 22 @ 3:18 PM ET
Tomas Jurco circa 2018



- DarthKane



Looks like Boston clearing cap space, for a potential trade.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 22 @ 3:18 PM ET
How much are scalpers getting for decent seats these days? Going to be in town for the March 6, 8 games... thinking i can get a great deal just before puck drop.
- jt19


hawk tickets entered a bear market...300 level can be had for under $40...at the beginning of the year those would cost you $120
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

Feb 22 @ 3:22 PM ET
hawk tickets entered a bear market...300 level can be had for under $40...at the beginning of the year those would cost you $120
- bogiedoc


thx, that was my thought too
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