Hey team - sorry for the delay on the updated blog, been waiting on a couple responses all morning.

I should have something out by this afternoon, once I hear back.
- Justin Lowe

The sound of silence!

I agree that neither trade was good but it's the forest for the trees thinking or lack of that's laughable. Also, I never said Kimmo had anything to do with them playing longer than the Habs, my point was more that they won the Cup that year.

And while yes they already had two Cups in the bank but as late as 2009, how many times would you have made those trades, poopty ones and all if it guaranteed even just one Cup win?

Like I said, there were angry mobs here in 2011 and '12 eviscerating Stan for not making a similar type of Vermette trade. I remember people commenting about how those are the types of moves "GM's who go for it" make or "if Stan had any real stones" he would make a move...now the goalposts have been moved for the sake of argument and it's simply a move he should have made and didn't (frank) up. Talk about laughable. He identified his guy and the move worked. As has been talked about in the past, how many deadline deals actually end up having the desired result?
- HawkintheD

No issue with Vermette deal

Dahlstrom hasn't panned out and the 1st round pick was a very low one and has said player picked there been an impact? I would doubt it.

The Timonen deal was pure garbage. that guy sucked and cost them a few picks and so bad Q had to rely on his Colorado D man to bail them out.

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.
- EnzoD

Yea we were hitting this earlier Enzo...this hilarity is something someone pooped out....I see no realistic scenario where this crap happens. The only player of interest to me is one of the two D men and AA ALONE should be plenty (I argue it should be AA for one of the two D men PLUS a first OR maybe a second round pick---going by previous deals just like this) . But to toss in Hartman too???? And we get back a fourth liner and UFA? No (frank)ing way.

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.
- EnzoD

All a trade for Fillpula would do is get the Hawks off the hook on AA's contract, it isn't a talent for talent swap. Nothing with the Flyer's will happen, historically they like dealing with the LA Kings and Tampa.

But maybe you can get on the horn to Lou Lamoriello, that injury to Auston Mathews last night didn't look good.

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.
- EnzoD

Fillipula is a FA after this season but Raffi has one more year left at $2.35m, which seems like a waste. I suppose they could cut a million of that off the cap by sending him to Rockford. Seems like they could do better for AA and Hartman.

All a trade for Fillpula would do is get the Hawks off the hook on AA's contract, it isn't a talent for talent swap. Nothing with the Flyer's will happen, historically they like dealing with the LA Kings and Tampa.

But maybe you can get on the horn to Lou Lamoriello, that injury to Auston Mathews last night didn't look good.
- RickJ

I don't think AA needs to be a "salary dump". He's still under 30, productive and for L2/L3 Center his salary isn't bad. AA should be a HOCKEY trade, nothing more or less. Therefore, absolutely NO NEED to "sweeten the pot" to move him. If we don't get the deal we want, just keep him and install him into L3-C next year.

All a trade for Fillpula would do is get the Hawks off the hook on AA's contract, it isn't a talent for talent swap. Nothing with the Flyer's will happen, historically they like dealing with the LA Kings and Tampa.

But maybe you can get on the horn to Lou Lamoriello, that injury to Auston Mathews last night didn't look good.
- RickJ

You also open a gap at the center position and then are relying on Schmaltz and Kampf to step up.

I keep 15 unless blown away by a can't miss return. Look what Hanzal fetched last year......that Philly return is pure crap. Sorry.

Just because a team wins the Cup does NOT negate idiotic trades. That's silly. Oh the Kimo trade was bad, but we won the Cup so everything is good. BS.

I don't remember what people were saying in 2011, so that's argument of conjecture. I doubt you remember every word being said either. Maybe some people were upset, others maybe not. The only thing I recall was wanting another center in 2014. Even though they won in 2013, I didn't think center was a position of strength for us. Bowman didn't trade for one, I don't know if he failed or what, but he surely traded for one in 2015...what changed? Oh, he finally saw the light? Or Q saw it? Hell if I know, but running out Handzus (a player NO OTHER team would have even played) for a Cup contending team was the height of either stupidity, loyalty or arrogance by at least 1 person (coach or GM or both) in position of power.

Bottom line if Bowman's fan club is gonna give him all this credit for success in the past (largely on the backs of players he inherited) then at what point do these same people hold him accountable for the numerous dumbass trades, giving away assets for nothing, the ridiculous way he negotiates contracts???
- kwolf68

Tell me where I haven’t held him accountable. I said the Kimmo trade was bad and have said the Danault trade was bad. I agree that some of the contracts are not great or just bad in Seab’s case, but also recognize some of those as the cost of winning.

Come on. You’re telling me you’ve forgotten the days of “Get it done Stan” with a bunch of red faced emojis after that comment for every trade made at the deadline that the Blackhawks weren’t a part of? No I don’t remember everything posted but I remember that and what I posted earlier vividly.

Never said everything was good but to be mad as hell about losing a couple second round picks in a trade that didn’t work out after the team just won a Cup is just as idiotic no?

Moving Seabrook would probably cost the Hawks DeBrincat if the trade to Carolina is any indicator. With Stan he operates on another value playing field than most GMs....I mean Stan is the one who gave away TWO number 2s for Timmonen at the exact same time Montreal was giving up ONE number 2 for Jeff Petry, a guy who actually WAS playing NHL hockey.
- kwolf68

That's ridiculous. ...if Debrincat is involved in any trade, Bowman should be fired. I'd hope he learned from The Panarin fiasco that pure goal scorers are hard to find. Stop with Debrincat trade talks everybody please......unless it's for a TOP dman AND a TOP 3 pick to land a Tkachuk type....then maybe.
He's a 20 year old with special talents !!

Tell me where I haven’t held him accountable. I said the Kimmo trade was bad and have said the Danault trade was bad. I agree that some of the contracts are not bad or great but also recognize some of those as the cost of winning.

Come on. You’re telling me you’ve forgotten the days of “Get it done Stan” with a bunch of red faced emojis after that comment for every trade made at the deadline that the Blackhawks weren’t a part of? No I don’t remember everything posted but I remember that and what posted earlier vividly.

Never said everything was good but to be mad as hell about losing a couple second round picks in a trade that didn’t work out after the team just won a Cup is just as idiotic no?
- HawkintheD

Another glass of Kool Aid?

Tell me where I haven’t held him accountable. I said the Kimmo trade was bad and have said the Danault trade was bad. I agree that some of the contracts are not bad or great but also recognize some of those as the cost of winning.

Come on. You’re telling me you’ve forgotten the days of “Get it done Stan” with a bunch of red faced emojis after that comment for every trade made at the deadline that the Blackhawks weren’t a part of? No I don’t remember everything posted but I remember that and what posted earlier vividly.

Never said everything was good but to be mad as hell about losing a couple second round picks in a trade that didn’t work out after the team just won a Cup is just as idiotic no?
- HawkintheD

I love how you spin the contracts were "not bad or great". In reality, some of them are asinine on every level. Max salary + NTCs is just dumb. If the player maxes salary then the team should hold some leverage. If the player wants leverage on when/where to be moved then you bump his salary. IOW, I'll give you full NTC, but you need to give a little in salary so maybe we can put some goddamn players around you. Bowman gave it all away. Dumb.

And you damn right we should be mad at dumbass decisions EVEN MADE during a Cup run. It's very possible to be excited about winning a Cup while also being very upset with trades within that year.

Watching Bowman stumble around making dumb move after dumb move WHILE the Hawks still win....do two things...

1-Prove the team wins in SPITE of Bowman
2-The Dumbass trades end up costing the Hawks in the long run

This is Bowman's team now, officially. He's going nowhere, he has immunity from everything. Can't recall the last really good move he made. He has a very important TDL coming up...can't wait to see what he concocts...

Let me guess..AA, Hartman for a prospect and 2 fourth line grinders and a career AHL player.

They "reassigned" Tallon in 2009.

It's as much about what he doesn't do when reassigned as what he does.

See, there are two other alternatives: 1) they keep hm right where he is 2) they fire him and another team with a better roster, maybe in their own division, hires him and he embarrasses the poop out of the franchise.

They could use him a lot like they've used Barry Smith (who's also an old coach). Troubleshooting and teaching, evaluating and skills coaching up and down the organization. Or they could have him just scout.
- John Jaeckel

On the other end of the spectrum. if he is not coach...he simply goes. Not because of my personal feelings, but because of the reason you are removing him the coaching job. IT is a vote of no confidence. Never saw him as the patient teaching type of coach, so not sure how he helps you in your organization that way.

Should he wind up somewhere else and have success. Good for him. But it is equally likely that a new voice has the opportunity reinvigorate your core and team and get more mileage out of that.

Regardless of any fans feelings, at this point you either replace 20 players or you replace a coach. We all now the only option..

That's ridiculous. ...if Debrincat is involved in any trade, Bowman should be fired. I'd hope he learned from The Panarin fiasco that pure goal scorers are hard to find. Stop with Debrincat trade talks everybody please......unless it's for a TOP dman AND a TOP 3 pick to land a Tkachuk type....then maybe.
He's a 20 year old with special talents !!
- Hawkytalk

Good god man. Read the post. I never said to trade ADB, I merely stated that based on the Bickell trade that required TT to be included that to sucker someone into taking Seabrook's contract would require an even better player than TT....that's the only point of that statement.

That's ridiculous. ...if Debrincat is involved in any trade, Bowman should be fired. I'd hope he learned from The Panarin fiasco that pure goal scorers are hard to find. Stop with Debrincat trade talks everybody please......unless it's for a TOP dman AND a TOP 3 pick to land a Tkachuk type....then maybe.
He's a 20 year old with special talents !!
- Hawkytalk

So DeBrincat has 23 goals and Panarin has 17....(give or take one or two)...So far, we seem to be doing ok there, especially considering that Panarin's salary demands are likely to be nothing short of astronomical. Of course, this is the Cat's first season, so the jury could be considered out on the comparison as well.

interesting reading the hawk bloggers..in a glee about the hawks losing and should "tank" for higher picks

bad idea i though the idea of competition was to perform your best and try/want to win...

I get it...but losing breeds more losing and bad habits...that's not good...

yes the hawks should use the remaining of the schedule to play their younger players and prospects to see what they got, and yes craw should not come back unless completely healthy and maybe only for a couple of games, and yes toews, keith etc should see minutes go down and tough pk minutes be reduced...

but an attitude of losing and tanking....ummm NO!

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.
- EnzoD

Stupid trade if that happens - hopefully not happening.

JJ posted this on the-rink earlier this week....Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim.


I don't like the trade at all. Fillipula is small and old, Raffl is a 4th liner, and Morin/Sanheim have been unable to make the Philly blue line that has been considered subpar for a few years.
- EnzoD

Why would we want Flippula he is a ufa unless we would turn around and trade him. Raffl is a overpaid 4th liner. I would love Sam Morin big tough guy on the back line Travis Sanheim wouldn't be bad either.

You also open a gap at the center position and then are relying on Schmaltz and Kampf to step up.

I keep 15 unless blown away by a can't miss return. Look what Hanzal fetched last year......that Philly return is pure crap. Sorry.
- SteveRain

It wasn't me that suggested or speculated on that trade and I certainly wouldn't endorse it.

Ron Hextall only makes trades when he is a clear cut winner. He picked up Filppula for over the hill Mark Streit because Stevie Y gave him 2 draft picks as a sweetener to take on that contract.

Putting a minnow like Stanbo into a pool with a piranha like Hextall not a good idea.

Anisimov and Hartman to the flyers for Morin or Sanheim with goulbourne laughton and a high draft pick

Anisimov and Hartman to the flyers for Morin or Sanheim with goulbourne laughton and a high draft pick
- vandymeer23

how much value do you guys believe Hartman has? Seems to be getting higher and higher every day

On the other end of the spectrum. if he is not coach...he simply goes. Not because of my personal feelings, but because of the reason you are removing him the coaching job. IT is a vote of no confidence. Never saw him as the patient teaching type of coach, so not sure how he helps you in your organization that way.

Should he wind up somewhere else and have success. Good for him. But it is equally likely that a new voice has the opportunity reinvigorate your core and team and get more mileage out of that.

Regardless of any fans feelings, at this point you either replace 20 players or you replace a coach. We all now the only option..
- TrueGrit

Charlie Roumeliotis‏
@CRoumeliotis
Joel Quenneville was asked if a specific player [Murphy] had more to give, to which he responded while signaling at the locker room: "Here are another 23 guys who need more." #Blackhawks

So, if I'm a player who is playing my a** off each night but I am making mistakes, either of my own volition, or more likely, because I'm playing with yet another set of line mates or a D-man with whom I've practiced either not at all or for a whopping 20 min just that morning, I am not going to go to battle for a guy who says stuff like this. You guys can talk all you want about believing that pro players getting paid shouldn't need motivation, but they can definitely become demoralized like every human being.

He has a bee in his bonnet about Murphy and has since he got here. Dollars to doughnuts it's because he came back for Hammer.

How about Hartman (bottom 6 winger) for Morin (an up and coming 5/6 dman). Sure would be nice to have some presence back there. Big tough kid with upside while Hartman fits the Flyers mold.
- walter34

That is exactly what I am afraid of, regarding Ryan Hartman, that is his kind a team with his kind of style of play And probably will blossom.And that big tough kid Morin, he’ll probably turn into a wussy on this team. Don’t mean to be disrespectful, but one has to call at like one see’s it.

Charlie Roumeliotis‏
@CRoumeliotis
Joel Quenneville was asked if a specific player
- pdx2ord[Murphy] had more to give, to which he responded while signaling at the locker room: "Here are another 23 guys who need more." #Blackhawks

So, if I'm a player who is playing my a** off each night but I am making mistakes, either of my own volition, or more likely, because I'm playing with yet another set of line mates or a D-man with whom I've practiced either not at all or for a whopping 20 min just that morning, I am not going to go to battle for a guy who says stuff like this. You guys can talk all you want about believing that pro players getting paid shouldn't need motivation, but they can definitely become demoralized like every human being.

He has a bee in his bonnet about Murphy and has since he got here. Dollars to doughnuts it's because he came back for Hammer.

about time...is he wrong...

I hope I'm wrong but I really don't see any significant going down between now and Monday at 2 pm CST

Wingels or Bouma going to a contender for energy line insertion like Desjardin here in 2015 makes sense. Does anyone want an old and unproductive Sharp? Rutta?Gustafsson? None of these guys will fetch anything higher then a 5th round pick

My issue still lies that the organization is arrogant enough to think that all will be fine next year with 50 being healthy and 19/20/2 bouncing back. 38/12 worry me because 38 regressed badly this year and who's to say 12 won't do the same? The other issue is 19 truly making those who plays with regress? that's the question that needs to be looked at very hard and answered.

Hawks need centers so 15 will stay....48/91 will stay. 8 is a lock...but for all the hype Ulf got....what D man back there was a pleasant surprise this year? Osterle until the clock struck 12 and he turned back into a pumpkin? Who else? Murphy has been mediocre at best...that's their problem. Their D men are pretty badmost nights and if kane can't carry anchors on his line to score this team has no chance. We saw it last April when Nashville outskated them, out hit them, and waxed them in 4 straight. We got an angry Bowman promising changes and his changes have flat out sucked. 20 has been a HUGE disappointment. captain America Murphy that somebody was all excited for has sucked.....and the veterans he brought in have given you very little.

So where does Bowman and Q go from here? They both need to go and this team needs a fresh outlook behind the bench, and most importantly up in the GM chair. Let Scotty get Stan a job underneath Stevie Y and start a new.

This is not a quick fix...bold moves need to be made and Bowman is too loyal and gun shy to sell high when he can before his team falls off the map for 2-3 years of mediocre seasons and at best 1st round waxings vs superior teams.
- SteveRain

GREAT POST SR.....Absolutely Spot On.