You can just keep rebuilding for forever then.
- manvanfan

They have been...50 years and counting.

They have been...50 years and counting.
- LordHumungous

What are we at???

You can just keep rebuilding for forever then.
- manvanfan

Well it's been 50 odd years so far. Another 15 will be a doddle.

Au contraire my friend. We'd finally get the rebuild we've been craving.

JVR would be traded and we wouldn't trade Nylander, Marner, Lillybust and 2 1sts for Joffrey Tanev.
- walshyleafsfan

I think JVR stays. He will be useful to making it out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

im saying stop selling those types of weapons now so there's no new military weapons being circulated through controllable channels. They'd still be able to buy pistols or hunting rifles so their constitution right is still in place, just more defined to reflect modern day society considering how much weapons have changed.

the bolded part....you hit it dead on again. It's funny how they try to force their ways on the rest of the planet. They condemn any conflicts others have yet hate everyone themselves. What a joke of an example. Thats the sole reason ISI exists. Their record of creating monsters in other areas of the world is beyond concerning.
- SMBDragon

People talk about gun laws don't prevent guns getting into the hands of criminals. Problem is, mass killings are usually done by people with no real "criminal" history.

Americans will gladly put up with bank robberies, heists, general acts of civil disobedience. At times, they will even celebrate that kind of criminal activity.

But when average Joe grabs an assault rifle with a hundred rounds of ammo and starts slaughtering other average Joes that's when you need to make guns more difficult to obtain because how do you stop it otherwise?

People talk about gun laws don't prevent guns getting into the hands of criminals. Problem is, mass killings are usually done by people with no real "criminal" history.

Americans will gladly put up with bank robberies, heists, general acts of civil disobedience. At times, they will even celebrate that kind of criminal activity.

But when average Joe grabs an assault rifle with a hundred rounds of ammo and starts slaughtering other average Joes that's when you need to make guns more difficult to obtain because how do you stop it otherwise?
- bloatedmosquito

The NRA doesn't agree.

I think JVR stays. He will be useful to making it out of the 1st round of the playoffs.
- Retinalz

Yeah it's certainly possible.

Never know what Lou has planned though. Reminds me of Benning.

Wouldn't be shocked to see him traded.

Yeah it's certainly possible.

Never know what Lou has planned though. Wouldn't be shocked to see him traded.
- walshyleafsfan

I could see him traded in a deal to get pieces for a D. I doubt you guys go for Karlsson due to needing Ryan's contract on top.

I doubt Tanev gets traded as we will only trade for a big haul and teams won't do that until the offseason most likely.

The NRA doesn't agree.
- imsorry66

The Oprah Winfreys of guns

Two more games till the deadline. Van should probably start holding out players

Get a top shutdown D & hope AM can stay healthy & it looks good. Toughest part is you have 2 good trams to go thru in tour own division. The other 5 are not much.
- Nighthawk

We're a lot further away than you think.

Trams are especially hard to go thru in tour. I don't think we have the weapons yet.

Stay the course.

The NRA doesn't agree.
- imsorry66

Money talks & lives are cheap

People talk about gun laws don't prevent guns getting into the hands of criminals. Problem is, mass killings are usually done by people with no real "criminal" history.

Americans will gladly put up with bank robberies, heists, general acts of civil disobedience. At times, they will even celebrate that kind of criminal activity.

But when average Joe grabs an assault rifle with a hundred rounds of ammo and starts slaughtering other average Joes that's when you need to make guns more difficult to obtain because how do you stop it otherwise?
- bloatedmosquito

Only need look to American tv
Glorify everything

I could see him traded in a deal to get pieces for a D. I doubt you guys go for Karlsson due to needing Ryan's contract on top.

I doubt Tanev gets traded as we will only trade for a big haul and teams won't do that until the offseason most likely.
- Retinalz

JVR is not T Hall & wingers for D simply don’t happen when top D are always scarce

We're a lot further away than you think.

Trams are especially hard to go thru in tour. I don't think we have the weapons yet.

Stay the course.
- walshyleafsfan

Should be considered trade a good forward for a young defender.

I don't think Van is as far away as some may make it out to be. What Van needs the most is a top 3 pick. A top 3 pick in a strong draft can really help a team.

Do you think that without Matthews that the TML have such a turn around season last year? I doubt it. I also don't think that TML have done that good of drafting outside of the first round.

People talk about gun laws don't prevent guns getting into the hands of criminals. Problem is, mass killings are usually done by people with no real "criminal" history.

Americans will gladly put up with bank robberies, heists, general acts of civil disobedience. At times, they will even celebrate that kind of criminal activity.

But when average Joe grabs an assault rifle with a hundred rounds of ammo and starts slaughtering other average Joes that's when you need to make guns more difficult to obtain because how do you stop it otherwise?
- bloatedmosquito

Always a tough debate. While I slightly agree that a few 'extra' laws may help in the short term...until the American 'celebratory' culture of guns and violence changes well..not much will change. I firmly believe it's a culture issue and not a 'guns and access' issue. There were more guns per capita in the States for example in the 40's and 50's but yet little to no mass shootings. It's a tough issue that sparks big debate.

What is to debate?
Look up gun related murders per capita.
Just a society in a mess thats too stupid & ignorant to understand anything.

Should be considered trade a good forward for a young defender.

I don't think Van is as far away as some may make it out to be. What Van needs the most is a top 3 pick. A top 3 pick in a strong draft can really help a team.

Do you think that without Matthews that the TML have such a turn around season last year? I doubt it. I also don't think that TML have done that good of drafting outside of the first round.
- manvanfan

I think that's the key though. If you hit on your 1st rounders .... especially top 10 picks ...then everything else is gravy.

All of his defensive metrics at the AHL level are solid. What defensive lapses are you referring to? I don't think he needs to be as good as Tanev, I think he needs to be able to play solid top4 minutes 3-4 years from now when we start being competitive. Tanev is already showing signs of age as his durability comes into question, I don't know if I see him being as effective in his 30's. Liljgren is 18. It's a better long-term plan, which is what this team needs. i think Liljgren and a pick would be a great return.
- neem55

A number 17 pick has a 56 percent chance of being a bottom pairing or worse defencemen and a 26 percent chance of being a top 4 defencemen... in his prime.
Tanev is 100 percent a top 4, if not better.
Thats why i wouldn't do it unless it included a 1st.
Odds are tanev will always be a better player.
Known commodity vs a risk.

A number 17 pick has a 56 percent chance of being a bottom pairing or worse defencemen and a 26 percent chance of being a top 4 defencemen... in his prime.
Tanev is 100 percent a top 4, if not better.
Thats why i wouldn't do it unless it included a 1st.
Odds are tanev will always be a better player.
Known commodity vs a risk.
- Pres.cup

I would take the prospect over Tanev at this point and not that specific prospect. He's always hurt and by the time we are competitive he will be gone anyway. Don't think we are getting a prospect and 1st from anyone for him. Especially with a broken leg.

There's only so may teams that can take on those two contracts at once, this sounds like an offseason move. Canucks could make it happen in the offseason. Should they?
- neem55

Ryan and Karlsson for the twins straight up

they'll have to flip half of the return they get for karlsson to you guys to take on that deal.
- Tumbleweed

I'm not sure Van makes the most sense given how much cap space other teams have, but I'd love to see JB get a bit more creative while trying to acquire picks/prospects and take on bad contracts if need be.

Ryan and Karlsson for the twins straight up
- 1970vintage

lol

Should be considered trade a good forward for a young defender.

I don't think Van is as far away as some may make it out to be. What Van needs the most is a top 3 pick. A top 3 pick in a strong draft can really help a team.

Do you think that without Matthews that the TML have such a turn around season last year? I doubt it. I also don't think that TML have done that good of drafting outside of the first round.
- manvanfan

No, I don't think it would be such a turnaround without a 40 goal scorer who lead the league in even strength goals (last year).

I think the Leafs have done OK drafting outside the 1st round. Not sure how long you were going back but they have Komarov, Brown, Leivo and Dermott on the team drafted rounds 2-7. Most likely Johnsson and Sparks make the jump next year?

Further back they have already traded players away like Stalberg, Stralman, Kulemin, Gunnarsson, Hayes etc.

A bit too early to judge the latter rounds under Hunter as he's only been in control for 3 drafts.

A number 17 pick has a 56 percent chance of being a bottom pairing or worse defencemen and a 26 percent chance of being a top 4 defencemen... in his prime.
Tanev is 100 percent a top 4, if not better.
Thats why i wouldn't do it unless it included a 1st.
Odds are tanev will always be a better player.
Known commodity vs a risk.
- Pres.cup

That's fine. I don't think Tanev will be much of a effective player by the time this team is good. I'd rather bring young guys. If they play well in the AHL at 18 years old, it's not as much risk as you're letting on IMO.