Is he having a down year, or have the injuries caught up with him?

Trading him only to watch him come back after a long off season to 5+ years of peak Karlsson would hurt.
- david22

Yup that is the big question.

I have to believe a lot of GMs are asking themselves the question. This is not the Karlsson of 2 years ago or last year's playoffs. Can he be that player again? Nobody has seen him be that player since the operation in the off-season.

I think you also need to ask how long can he be that guy. It is not an easy decision to want to tie up double digit millions for 7 or 8 years on him.

If you have to take Ryan for the next 3 also, I have a hard time imagining a GM that stupid, or imagining an organization that can afford it. On the radio this morning they speculated that only Vegas could do that. ... which is interesting.

If Ottawa gets a big return for Karlsson AND manages to pawn off Ryan on someone, I think that is ideal for the Sens.

(completely hypothetical)

Point ++ for Karlsson?

Leaves a hole at forward for Tampa...

hey... Ryan's available!


(I also realize tampa likely isn't trading Point, but i think they'd trade him before sergachev)
- david22

I agree.

I think they might even trade Point in a Karlsson deal, but there is no way they possibly could take him and Ryan.

If we are trading with Tampa, PD would be stupid not to get Hedman in return... at that point it is useless for Tampa to trade.

Almost any scenario that Karlsson leaves Ottawa, means PD should be fired. Fans would never forgive him
- Maverick1818

I am sorry Maverick, I can't agree.

Trading Karlsson now for a big return is ideal for the Sens. This core is not close, they are not a mature Chabot away from contending.

It is a tough move to make, but I think they have to do it.

The scenario that I have heard more than once which is Sergachev, Point and some pick or picks, is one where i think Tampa can still win some Cups, and the Sens are not really throwing in the towel like when TOR traded Kessel, because we will actually improve at forward, and we will have a bright future on the blue line. (And I am not 100% certain that Karlsson will ever be the same again, so we also dodge the bullet on a $100M contract that sucks almost right away)
- wilkobecks

You have only heard that scenario from people speculating... and Sens fans who jumped on it.

No way in hell that happens.

'd be looking to Philly. They have an abundance of really strong young players, who are ready now.

What does Ottawa need? A legitimate #1 center, a #1 d-man (to replace Karlsson), and a goalie.

Nolan Patrick, Gostibehere, Carter Hart, Travis Sanheim are all very legit young players/prospects. Mind you- Gost may be untouchable, as there isn't much on that back end to begin with.

Philly also has two first round picks (21 and 22) in this year's draft.

This will not happen. Way too much for one guy. Ghost is a legit top 2 dman, Patrick is starting to play well, now that he appears to be getting 100% healthy from 2 core surgeries. Hart is our goalie of the future, and while Sanheim struggled earlier this year, he is expected to be a top 2 dman when he hits his stride.

The Flyers also have no room for Karlsson cap wise, as both Giroux and Voracek are on long term 8 million plus contracts. Adding a third contract at over 8 million, with Provorov and Konecny coming up for their second contracts...it just isn't going to work.

Also, the Flyers have even more talent in the minors in Meyers, so no need to add a dman. Hextall also will not trade a first rounder for an almost 30 year old guy.

Sorry..no way this happens.

T

The Flyers also have no room for Karlsson cap wise,
- meduser

Which team does?

From the few that could sign that contract, which one of them, is willing to take the chance that Karlsson will ever be the same player again?

This will not happen. Way too much for one guy. Ghost is a legit top 2 dman, Patrick is starting to play well, now that he appears to be getting 100% healthy from 2 core surgeries. Hart is our goalie of the future, and while Sanheim struggled earlier this year, he is expected to be a top 2 dman when he hits his stride.

The Flyers also have no room for Karlsson cap wise, as both Giroux and Voracek are on long term 8 million plus contracts. Adding a third contract at over 8 million, with Provorov and Konecny coming up for their second contracts...it just isn't going to work.

Also, the Flyers have even more talent in the minors in Meyers, so no need to add a dman. Hextall also will not trade a first rounder for an almost 30 year old guy.

Sorry..no way this happens.
- meduser

good post

Trading Karlsson is stupid idea period.

Unless he return is something we would be dumb to say no too and even then I doubt fans would forgive PD
- Maverick1818

I forgive PD...!

This will not happen. Way too much for one guy. Ghost is a legit top 2 dman, Patrick is starting to play well, now that he appears to be getting 100% healthy from 2 core surgeries. Hart is our goalie of the future, and while Sanheim struggled earlier this year, he is expected to be a top 2 dman when he hits his stride.

The Flyers also have no room for Karlsson cap wise, as both Giroux and Voracek are on long term 8 million plus contracts. Adding a third contract at over 8 million, with Provorov and Konecny coming up for their second contracts...it just isn't going to work.

Also, the Flyers have even more talent in the minors in Meyers, so no need to add a dman. Hextall also will not trade a first rounder for an almost 30 year old guy.

Sorry..no way this happens.
- meduser

To clarify- I wasn't saying the deal was going to be for all of those names- I was simply mentioning names that the Sens would be targeting in a deal with Philly.

If the components of the deal were two young pieces, and a 1st, they'd probably take back an expiring contract to make it work cap wise.

Doesn't Karlsson have a NTC?

Doesn't Karlsson have a NTC?
- AlfieFever

Modified 10 team NTC.

Which team does?

From the few that could sign that contract, which one of them, is willing to take the chance that Karlsson will ever be the same player again?
- Aetherial

Doesn't he earn 6.5 this year? Wouldn't that mean he's making like 2 something for the rest of the season? If you could get him, then I would think things could be worked out in the summer to take care of his full cap hit next year.

Is it too late to chime in with my low ball offer for Karlsson?

Trading EK65 makes ZERO sense the more you look at it. I too am afraid the dead guy parts in his ankle will prevent him from returning to the form he was at in last years playoffs but you are talking about a top three player in the game. He must be signed and that's all there is to it. Hossa, Weber, Price, Subban, Toews, Kane, Sid and McDavid all had/have team crippling contracts but the only thing more expensive then having these guys is not having them and constantly looking for one on the cheap. It's futile. Sens organization and its fans are extremely lucky Bryan Murray had the foresight to do a bridge deal and get him signed for this long at 6.5, what a steal! Dude is going to get paid and so he should.

Make the deal and live with the consequences good or bad!!

GO SENS GO

There were just talking about this on team 1200. One reiterated what you were saying.

The other argued that you frame the argument that Bobby ryan is included, no ifs ands or buts, and if teams are afraid than you say you wont do the deal, at all.

Logistically, I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense.
Adding a nother 7+ in cap hit is going to affect the dea, just from a salary position, you'd need to take something back. That doesn't even take into account Ryan as an anchor, even a team like Toronto would need to bury him, which would effect the return. Really makes no sense.

Don't include Ryan. Although with Melynk, who knows what'd happen.
- david22

So then Karlsson walks with no return...no one is taking Ryan with him...if they do...then your return decreases drastically.
You right...it doesnt make sense.

The scenario that I have heard more than once which is Sergachev, Point and some pick or picks, is one where i think Tampa can still win some Cups, and the Sens are not really throwing in the towel like when TOR traded Kessel, because we will actually improve at forward, and we will have a bright future on the blue line. (And I am not 100% certain that Karlsson will ever be the same again, so we also dodge the bullet on a $100M contract that sucks almost right away)
- wilkobecks

Toronto's Kessel's trade got them 1st round pick that was used to get Andersen who is turning in a vezina nomination quality season.
And Kap.
Who looks to be a quality top 9 scorer.

But I agree...they could have gotten a little more...but hardly throwing in the towel.

Trading EK65 makes ZERO sense the more you look at it. I too am afraid the dead guy parts in his ankle will prevent him from returning to the form he was at in last years playoffs but you are talking about a top three player in the game. He must be signed and that's all there is to it. Hossa, Weber, Price, Subban, Toews, Kane, Sid and McDavid all had/have team crippling contracts but the only thing more expensive then having these guys is not having them and constantly looking for one on the cheap. It's futile. Sens organization and its fans are extremely lucky Bryan Murray had the foresight to do a bridge deal and get him signed for this long at 6.5, what a steal! Dude is going to get paid and so he should.

Make the deal and live with the consequences good or bad!!

GO SENS GO
- Go_Sens_Go

Karlsson was a top three player, he's far from that right now. You're not going to be signing the 2016 Erik Karlsson, it'll be the 2018 Karlsson and no one is really sure what that is right now.

And Crosby only makes about $2M more than Karlsson does right now and he's one of the current best players in the game. You really think that's a team crippling contract?

We have a #1C, his name is Matt Duchene and he works very well with our #1LW Mike Hoffman.

We also have Chabot who is progressing extremely well and Dahlin on the way (See what I did there )

I'd also say Andy is serviceable for two more years maybe 3 before any big decline.
- Maverick1818

Ya but....he really should a 2nd liner....not a true number 1.

Yup that is the big question.

I have to believe a lot of GMs are asking themselves the question. This is not the Karlsson of 2 years ago or last year's playoffs. Can he be that player again? Nobody has seen him be that player since the operation in the off-season.

I think you also need to ask how long can he be that guy. It is not an easy decision to want to tie up double digit millions for 7 or 8 years on him.

If you have to take Ryan for the next 3 also, I have a hard time imagining a GM that stupid, or imagining an organization that can afford it. On the radio this morning they speculated that only Vegas could do that. ... which is interesting.

If Ottawa gets a big return for Karlsson AND manages to pawn off Ryan on someone, I think that is ideal for the Sens.
- Aetherial

Vegas doesnt have the pieces to send back...unless they are future picks.

Toronto's Kessel's trade got them 1st round pick that was used to get Andersen who is turning in a vezina nomination quality season.
And Kap.
Who looks to be a quality top 9 scorer.

But I agree...they could have gotten a little more...but hardly throwing in the towel.
- Fakepartofme

I think if you asked Leafs fans if they'd do the Kessel trade for Andersen straight up, most if not all would do it. It's worked out really well for us.

Karlsson was a top three player, he's far from that right now. You're not going to be signing the 2016 Erik Karlsson, it'll be the 2018 Karlsson and no one is really sure what that is right now.

And Crosby only makes about $2M more than Karlsson does right now and he's one of the current best players in the game. You really think that's a team crippling contract?
- Jeffmt

When it was signed it was the highest is my point. If he was a UFA in 2 years what would you give him now? the highest, no question. He had similar questions about his health in concussions as Karlsson does with his ankle but they signed him and he's the greatest the game has to offer today. Kind of ironic that this thread is full of Leaf fans wanting him out of the division. If I was you I wouldn't want to play him 6 times a year either. Sign him, the Cirque de Soleil guy will love watching him!!

Toronto's Kessel's trade got them 1st round pick that was used to get Andersen who is turning in a vezina nomination quality season.
And Kap.
Who looks to be a quality top 9 scorer.

But I agree...they could have gotten a little more...but hardly throwing in the towel.
- Fakepartofme

By trading Kessel, Toronto ensured a full on tank in the standings. Helped them get Matthews. The first round pick and Kapanen were a bonus.

When it was signed it was the highest is my point. If he was a UFA in 2 years what would you give him now? the highest, no question. He had similar questions about his health in concussions as Karlsson does with his ankle but they signed him and he's the greatest the game has to offer today. Kind of ironic that this thread is full of Leaf fans wanting him out of the division. If I was you I wouldn't want to play him 6 times a year either. Sign him, the Cirque de Soleil guy will love watching him!!
- Go_Sens_Go

I'm more than happy to have the Leafs play against this Karlsson 6 times a year. As a Toronto fan I hope they sign him to a big contract because I'm really skeptical about that ankle. I don't think they should though.

Karlsson was a top three player, he's far from that right now. You're not going to be signing the 2016 Erik Karlsson, it'll be the 2018 Karlsson and no one is really sure what that is right now.

And Crosby only makes about $2M more than Karlsson does right now and he's one of the current best players in the game. You really think that's a team crippling contract?
- Jeffmt

It's funny how people are pretending like Karlsson's season is SOOO horrible.

On arguably the worst team in the league, he's still averaging 0.78 pts per game, and that is coming off of a major surgery where they literally removed bones in his ankle and replaced them with artificial pieces. He missed training camp, he lost his reliable defense partner, and is playing in a bit of a poopty system right now.

He averages 26:19 per game, which is 4th highest in the league.

Haters gonna Hate.



There's reason to question whether or not these injuries will have a long-term effect- and as a die-hard sens fan- it's one that I question whether or not it's worth it to go long-term for him- but I still think he's worth it.

As a Flyer fan i would like to add Brassard. I think the flyers should try to capitalize on strong seasons from their top players and make a run, in an east that almost every team has flaws.

I was thinking something like this but not sure if Ottawa would do it. i know they want to mvoe money;

To Philly: Brassard, Smith, Oduya

To Ottawa: 2018 1st rounder, Morin, Pascal Lebarge, Wiese, Filppula

Filppula is UFA after the season so they get 5 mill off the books. Wiese is shorter terms and doallars compared to smith. morin is former 1st rounder, Leberge is former 2nd rounder. and the 1st.