I wasn't quite being literal, but at the same time, I would take the absolute best offer thrown at Benning for Vanek and call it a win. I just see absolutely no point in keeping him this season.
- Codes1087

But if you accept anything, then every other GM in the league begins lowballing you, and we're right back to the Hamhuis/Vrbata situation.

Standing pat on those two - lead to Goldy, Dahlen, Palmu, Gunnersson.

btw I want Vanek gone too but we can't get fleeced.

You can put the pom poms down for awhile son...


Rick Dhaliwal

"My gut is telling me that they keep him unless they get 2nd or 3d rounder. He is not a top teer rental - may only get 4th or 5th - let/s see where it goes"
- VanHockeyGuy

omfg

Take the (frank)ing pick

Where was Gaudette drafted?

But if you accept anything, then every other GM in the league begins lowballing you, and we're right back to the Hamhuis/Vrbata situation.

Standing pat on those two - lead to Goldy, Dahlen, Palmu, Gunnersson.

btw I want Vanek gone too but we can't get fleeced.
- Brooks_Light

For sure JB's getting low balled right now. Poker game.

I think this is a damned if you do damned if you don't. No matter what happens with Vanek it won't be the right call. I can't see us getting a 2nd or 3rd so fans won't be happy with less. If we keep him lots of people will be like we should have gotten anything for him.
- anavar

If Vrbata really had no trade offers, from his contract year in Vancouver, I would imagine his 5 million AAV (while pro-rated) would have been too much for teams to take on, but that does not mean the Canucks could not have made it work and retained. I also don't know if I buy the media speculation that Hamhuis deal was in placed by FA nixed due to owner beef. Fact is we won't really know.

Keeping Vanek is the wrong call, plain and simple. We are not going to make the playoffs, he was signed for 1 year, 2 mill, as a UFA for the reason that he thought he could showcase his skills on a bottom feeder team, and hope to land on a contender. Keeping him will be a mistake past the TDL. Like I said before, if management want to talk with him and his agent in the summer about another contract, so be it, but keeping him, IMO, would be a mistake.

But if you accept anything, then every other GM in the league begins lowballing you, and we're right back to the Hamhuis/Vrbata situation.

Standing pat on those two - lead to Goldy, Dahlen, Palmu, Gunnersson.

btw I want Vanek gone too but we can't get fleeced.
- Brooks_Light

what is the lesser of two evils.

Selling low on Vanek and getting a 4th/5th or losing out on Vanek completely and letting him walk in free agency.

#allpicksmatter

omfg

Take the (frank)ing pick

Where was Gaudette drafted?
- Nucker101

Pom-poms say no.

the funny thing is that Vanek is the top point scorer among ALL trade bait list/rental players, other than Karlsson, but the odds of him moving are slim.

I really don't see whats so horrible with his past playoff numbers...
the last time he made it - YES, 0 goals in 10 games
but before that
5 goals in 17 games
5 gs, 7gms
2gs, 3 gms
6gs, 16 gms
- Brooks_Light

Good point, but this league is full of dinosaurs GM’s who put more stock into intangibles than actual production.

Even in Florida last year he put up 10 points in 20 games playing 13-14 mins a night(3rd like mins). 41 point pace.

omfg

Take the (frank)ing pick

Where was Gaudette drafted?
- Nucker101

Right after CARL NEILL - remember him?? didn't think so

If Vrbata really had no trade offers, from his contract year in Vancouver, I would imagine his 5 million AAV (while pro-rated) would have been too much for teams to take on, but that does not mean the Canucks could not have made it work and retained. I also don't know if I buy the media speculation that Hamhuis deal was in placed by FA nixed due to owner beef. Fact is we won't really know.

Keeping Vanek is the wrong call, plain and simple. We are not going to make the playoffs, he was signed for 1 year, 2 mill, as a UFA for the reason that he thought he could showcase his skills on a bottom feeder team, and hope to land on a contender. Keeping him will be a mistake past the TDL. Like I said before, if management want to talk with him and his agent in the summer about another contract, so be it, but keeping him, IMO, would be a mistake.
- Codes1087

If Vrbata really had no trade offers, from his contract year in Vancouver, I would imagine his 5 million AAV (while pro-rated) would have been too much for teams to take on, but that does not mean the Canucks could not have made it work and retained. I also don't know if I buy the media speculation that Hamhuis deal was in placed by FA nixed due to owner beef. Fact is we won't really know.

Keeping Vanek is the wrong call, plain and simple. We are not going to make the playoffs, he was signed for 1 year, 2 mill, as a UFA for the reason that he thought he could showcase his skills on a bottom feeder team, and hope to land on a contender. Keeping him will be a mistake past the TDL. Like I said before, if management want to talk with him and his agent in the summer about another contract, so be it, but keeping him, IMO, would be a mistake.
- Codes1087

yeah, agree completely. I would trade Vanek for a 5th over keeping him if that was the only options. As nucker said, look where hockey gaud was drafted. You get whatever you can for vanek but he has to go.

TO or WPG?
- LordHumungous

TO and TB make sense. Both value dmen who have good possession numbers.

Foote and a 1st would be great

what is the lesser of two evils.

Selling low on Vanek and getting a 4th/5th or losing out on Vanek completely and letting him walk in free agency.

#allpicksmatter
- Codes1087

Saving face and letting him walk instead of taking a pick for a retooling on the fly while staying competitive team.

If Vrbata really had no trade offers, from his contract year in Vancouver, I would imagine his 5 million AAV (while pro-rated) would have been too much for teams to take on, but that does not mean the Canucks could not have made it work and retained. I also don't know if I buy the media speculation that Hamhuis deal was in placed by FA nixed due to owner beef. Fact is we won't really know.

Keeping Vanek is the wrong call, plain and simple. We are not going to make the playoffs, he was signed for 1 year, 2 mill, as a UFA for the reason that he thought he could showcase his skills on a bottom feeder team, and hope to land on a contender. Keeping him will be a mistake past the TDL. Like I said before, if management want to talk with him and his agent in the summer about another contract, so be it, but keeping him, IMO, would be a mistake.
- Codes1087

Benning said we had no offers. Nobody wanted Vrbata. Why is this still being questioned? Codes, are you conveniently forgetting that he had a $1MM salaray last season and he again had zero offers?

Right after CARL NEILL - remember him?? didn't think so
- Brooks_Light

I do, he has a team named after him

what is the lesser of two evils.

Selling low on Vanek and getting a 4th/5th or losing out on Vanek completely and letting him walk in free agency.

#allpicksmatter
- Codes1087

But accepting the 4th/5th is short term thinking. I think the plus of the two evils is not getting fleeced so that in the future you come out on top or evenly by earning a reputation around the league as a GM who tries to get fair value out of your guys.

Right after CARL NEILL - remember him?? didn't think so
- Brooks_Light

Patric Hornqvist was the very last person selected 2005 draft. Yes he is an anomaly, but that is beauty of the draft.

Right after CARL NEILL - remember him?? didn't think so
- Brooks_Light

All the more reason to trade Vanek. What if we draft another Carl Neill again and had a Gaudette level player ranked just below him?

Need more lottery tickets. This team has traded as many picks as they’ve acquired under Benning. That’s ridiculous.

Selling Vanek for a 4th isn’t a laughable return considering his rep. Not to mention that he’s slow and everyone is all about speed these days. Plus he needs soft minutes to be effective. There’s a reason why guys like Hansen/Burrows were easier to trade. Teams want guys who can handle a checking role and bring value even when not scoring.

The entire point of having a scout as your GM is to have a surplus of draft picks. Use his strengths.

But accepting the 4th/5th is short term thinking. I think the plus of the two evils is not getting fleeced so that in the future you come out on top or evenly by earning a reputation around the league as a GM who tries to get fair value out of your guys.
- Brooks_Light

getting picks in any player deals is the exact opposite of short term thinking in my opinion. Drafting kids all the while dealing older players is a plan for the future.
Benning isn't known as a awful trader either. Sutter and Gudbranson trades have been bad, but he fleeced SJ for Goldy and a 4th for a player who hasn't even played half of the seasons games. Granlund for Shinkaruk would be considered a big win in my books if you compare player for player. I am not a Benning fan boy, but I don't think people/fans respect him half as much as other GM's do.

Benning said we had no offers. Nobody wanted Vrbata. Why is this still being questioned? Codes, are you conveniently forgetting that he had a $1MM salaray last season and he again had zero offers?
- CanuckDon

So signing a player that no one else wants for premium $ is a good strategy. We should lock up Vanksey for another 2 years @ $4.5m per




Just in case it’s wasnt clear

But accepting the 4th/5th is short term thinking. I think the plus of the two evils is not getting fleeced so that in the future you come out on top or evenly by earning a reputation around the league as a GM who tries to get fair value out of your guys.
- Brooks_Light

I agree but both sides have a point. I wouldn't be upset if he was traded for a 5th just like I won't be upset if we tell other teams to frank off. I just place less value on a late pick than other posters. The outcome of the Vanek trade or no trade has very little impact on the future of the franchise. Now Tanev is what I am concerned about.

But accepting the 4th/5th is short term thinking. I think the plus of the two evils is not getting fleeced so that in the future you come out on top or evenly by earning a reputation around the league as a GM who tries to get fair value out of your guys.
- Brooks_Light

How many times, or how often do you have to take a stance in order to get fair value? Every other year? Every other trade?

Benning said we had no offers. Nobody wanted Vrbata. Why is this still being questioned? Codes, are you conveniently forgetting that he had a $1MM salaray last season and he again had zero offers?
- CanuckDon

I just explained above, the reasons I could see Vbrata NOT being moved by Benning. I honestly don't remember Benning saying he had no offers for Vrbata, but it wouldn't surprise me if he said that POST TDL after getting heat for not being able to move him either. I don't really know why we are even discussing this, we are talking about Vanek and now, not 2 or 3 years ago.

TO and TB make sense. Both value dmen who have good possession numbers.

Foote and a 1st would be great
- Nucker101

I don't know if fourth line is a proper name. The started every period. They play against other teams best lines. They produce a lot of scoring chances and their line had the second most minutes.

Sutter gets ripped quite a bit by the armchair GMs but him and Archie and him and Dorsett were two of Canucks most effective lines this year.
- VANTEL

So signing a player that no one else wants for premium $ is a good strategy. We should lock up Vanksey for another 2 years @ $4.5m per




Just in case it’s wasnt clear
- 1970vintage

Still upset over the Vrbata signing? He was pretty amazing his first season.