Short handed goals do count on both sides.
- StLBravesFan

did not know that..thanks sage...

still learn something new about this game

Bowman broke up the highest scoring line in the NHL for nothing

Yea...You see the whole picture. You talk like a politician, half story, ignore important other points.

Yes Panarin a a supreme talent. Would rather have him purely on ability. There is concern if Panarin shows up if he is unhappy with his team or his performance on the line he plays on. We get it when Bowman wanted to change the style of play, so he opted for Saad over Panarin. Not saying I would have made same trade. But you have to wait and see if Bowman upgrades by adding more of the larger, hard to play against forwards to go along with the larger Saad instead of Panarin.

Sikula is coming in. Beyond that we just wait and see what Bowman does. I do not trust him to make a good trade each time. The Murphy trade is questionable unless Murphy plays better. That will not happen with Q here.

If Bowman cannot see abdcadmit thst his team is,lacking bug time in gritty players, then he is not going to last in Chicago. You can argue for or against the Saad trade, but do not make blanket ignorant statements like Bowman broke up that high scoring line for nothing.
- jhawk59

I have nothing against Saad. He is no Panarin. You might not get another line as productive as Kane Panarin ever. The return on that trade was in no way worth breaking up that line. I welcome your straight opinion that doesn't have the hyperbole of some other guys. I will stick with my opinion.

Disagree

https://www.secondcityhoc...columbus-blue-jackets-nhl

I have posted several links on this subject.
Your analysis has little if any merit. Stats don't lie. The rest is just BS because you don't know what Panarin thinks. Saad is not now nor is it likely he will ever be anyway near as good as Panarin. Bowman spit on Saad a few years ago when Saad deserved to be paid and Bowman booted him off to Columbus. So what changed? CYA for the Toews mistake is what changed. But it backfired and Bowman broke up the highest scoring line in the NHL for nothing.
- Savoy

First I couldn’t care less what secondcityhockey has to say on any hockey topic. As I said what would Kane say publicly? - “yay breadman’s traded”? What stats - goals? Saad and Panarin have similar goal totals. Remember everyone is talking that Saad has this total in an off-year. What about penalty kills? - let me guess that it is whatever time Saad has done it versus zero for Panarin. Defensive play? Well Panarin doesn’t know what those words mean - for many reasons including his complete refusal to learn to speak English. Of course no English necessary to party with Tarasenko on the ice after Hawks were eliminated. Kane and Toews looked devastated. Panarin looked joyous - as he could then immediately go play for Russia too - YAHOO! The Hawks’ brass had Panarin traded before they re-signed him. Get some objectivity.

I have nothing against Saad. He is no Panarin. You might not get another line as productive as Kane Panarin ever. The return on that trade was in no way worth breaking up that line. I welcome your straight opinion that doesn't have the hyperbole of some other guys. I will stick with my opinion.
- Savoy

there were many other factors in play than stanbow waking up one morning and saying "gee...i think i will break up possibly the most productive line ever"

talk about hyperbole...

there were many other factors in play than stanbow waking up one morning and saying "gee...i think i will break possibly the most productive line ever"

talk about hyperbole...
- bogiedoc

Yes mainly the thought process of,"My $10.5mil center can't play with anyone except HOFers and All-Stars to create consistent offense on his line." Sound about right?

I don't understand how you can be a monster like Dahlstrom and not want to hit anyone.....smfh

I Would play Toews-Saad- Kane together the last 22 games
Scoring is a struggle - see what they can do - move away from Toews - Kane on different lines.

Then add from there - Defencemen x 2

Second line Center - Bosak maybe and trade/ give away Seabrook
no return required

First I couldn’t care less what secondcityhockey has to say on any hockey topic. As I said what would Kane say publicly? - “yay breadman’s traded”? What stats - goals? Saad and Panarin have similar goal totals. Remember everyone is talking that Saad has this total in an off-year. What about penalty kills? - let me guess that it is whatever time Saad has done it versus zero for Panarin. Defensive play? Well Panarin doesn’t know what those words mean - for many reasons including his complete refusal to learn to speak English. Of course no English necessary to party with Tarasenko on the ice after Hawks were eliminated. Kane and Toews looked devastated. Panarin looked joyous - as he could then immediately go play for Russia too - YAHOO! The Hawks’ brass had Panarin traded before they re-signed him. Get some objectivity.
- Z3Hawk

Get Real. He wouldn't be on the ice with Kane if he didn't play at least some defense. Try to understand what the standard is in the NHL for measuring scoring production. All this crap has been posted before. It's mostly hyperbole. It makes no sense. I've answered it all before and I am not done by a long shot.

Bowman broke up the highest scoring line in the NHL for nothing

Yea...You see the whole picture. You talk like a politician, half story, ignore important other points.

Yes Panarin a a supreme talent. Would rather have him purely on ability. There is concern if Panarin shows up if he is unhappy with his team or his performance on the line he plays on. We get it when Bowman wanted to change the style of play, so he opted for Saad over Panarin. Not saying I would have made same trade. But you have to wait and see if Bowman upgrades by adding more of the larger, hard to play against forwards to go along with the larger Saad instead of Panarin.

Sikula is coming in. Beyond that we just wait and see what Bowman does. I do not trust him to make a good trade each time. The Murphy trade is questionable unless Murphy plays better. That will not happen with Q here.

If Bowman cannot see or admit that his team is lacking big time in gritty players, then he is not going to last in Chicago. You can argue for or against the Saad trade, but do not make blanket ignorant statements like Bowman broke up that high scoring line for nothing.

If you want to question the wisdom of the trade desp ite knowing Toews had heal th- body issues, then you have a point. Because it makes less sense to make the trade knowing Toews is no sure thing with Toews. Maybe Bowman figured this and still wanted to make the trade. We don't know about that
- jhawk59

See your point Jhawk...Saad shouldn't have been moved in the first place - but bad cap mgt. by Stan that summer of 15 which I've gone on a length was to blame for that move.

But two concerns 1) bringing a 6 mil player back to fix a 10.5mil player. I think we all hoped that Saad would help bring 19's game back into focus. But it hasn't worked out. BTW 19 with 3 turnovers in his own end in the first 10 minutes against the Kings the other night.

2) Cost control - which is something we heard about when both Hammer and Panarin were traded. I'm sorry, but Bowman has no one to blame but himself for overpaying his own players and giving them no movers. This put him in a corner in regard to what he could do in regard to his roster and forced his hand after the big change speech at the end of last season.

If the mantra was truly One Goal both of those moves look bad and done with finances in mind not the immediate betterment for the team for this sesaon. Hammer was your best defensive dman left. And despite his injuries this season he's still got 2.5 blocks per game. Murphy is still finding his way. Meanwhile Panarin is piling up points with the Jackets - and we've see how bad the Hawks offense has been this season.

Add the fact that Stan failed to get a quality NHL backup netminder this season with Crawford's track record the last two seasons...and you're starting to see the big picture. By the way I believe ticket prices are going up next season...

It certainly should be an interesting offseason when it gets here.

I love how Panarin rode Kane's coat tails to be "the greatest scoring line in history" lol

How'd that line do vs NASH? Panarin had a tough time scoring with his ass pinned to the boards waiting for Kane to fend off defenders for his "one timer".

Plus, I don't think Panarin had any playoff bonuses to play for, hence his refusal to go anywhere between the dots.

So does that mean they can never trade Anisimov either?

Does second city hockey show you Kane was a dominant player even before Wayne Panarin came to Chicago? Or did you start watching Chicago hockey when Panarin got there?

Disagree

https://www.secondcityhoc...columbus-blue-jackets-nhl

I have posted several links on this subject.
Your analysis has little if any merit. Stats don't lie. The rest is just BS because you don't know what Panarin thinks. Saad is not now nor is it likely he will ever be anyway near as good as Panarin. Bowman spit on Saad a few years ago when Saad deserved to be paid and Bowman booted him off to Columbus. So what changed? CYA for the Toews mistake is what changed. But it backfired and Bowman broke up the highest scoring line in the NHL for nothing.
- Savoy

With the salary structure of the team Saad and his 50-60 points at 6 million for the next few years is better than the 9.5 that Panarin is going to get on his next deal.

Panarin's goal production is down to where he may not hit 20g...and he's "racking up points" with 48 in 60gms?

Good Lord his legend grows....

With the salary structure of the team Saad and his 50-60 points at 6 million for the next few years is better than the 9.5 that Panarin is going to get on his next deal.
- fattybeef

Time will tell. Right now Saad is not on track to score even 40 points.

With the salary structure of the team Saad and his 50-60 points at 6 million for the next few years is better than the 9.5 that Panarin is going to get on his next deal.
- fattybeef

I hope you're right.

Time will tell. Right now Saad is not on track to score even 40 points.
- Savoy

But he actually plays in all 3 zones, on the PK, and isn't scared to skate within the dots.

And he's not all about his personal stats

Yes mainly the thought process of,"My $10.5mil center can't play with anyone except HOFers and All-Stars to create consistent offense on his line." Sound about right?

I don't understand how you can be a monster like Dahlstrom and not want to hit anyone.....smfh
- EnzoD

that may have been one of the factors...

But he actually plays in all 3 zones, on the PK, and isn't scared to skate within the dots.

And he's not all about his personal stats
- PatShart

Yeah you're right. Panarin didn't deserve any minutes at all Why don't you go on the Columbus board and tell them what a mistake they made LOL.

Yeah you're right. Panarin didn't deserve any minutes at all Why don't you go on the Columbus board and tell them what a mistake they made LOL.
- Savoy

Why don't follow you son over there and tell them how they have the best player in the NHL now?

Saad won 2 cups before Panarin was ever scouted to come to the NHL

What has Panarin ever won?

I'll hang up and wait for my answer

This team is just so bad passing and clearing their own zone right now.

Both Hartman and Saad will have to work on their stick work this off season, bad bad bad

Why don't follow you son over there and tell them how they have the best player in the NHL now?
- PatShart

Saad has been an offensive non factor pretty much every game since week 1 of the season. Panarin is far from a perfect player, but for a team scoring 2 goals or less a night, the biggest reasons for that are the losses of Panarin and Hossa. Panarin was a big reason they were a top RS team the last two years, and pinning extra blame on 72 for last year's lack of success is silly. Oh the irony of trading the "regular season Panarin" for "playoff Saad" and then finishing last in the division one year after winning it.

Saad won 2 cups before Panarin was ever scouted to come to the NHL

What has Panarin ever won?

I'll hang up and wait for my answer
- PatShart

Saad did? I though that was a team championship? Sorry but individual players don't win Titles, TEAMS do. Maybe 19+88+7+Bowman should've remembered that the team success was bigger than your "marketing stars" cap hits. No single player can get full credit for winning a cup as can no single player be scapegoated more than another, especially in this sport where it is a 6man unit playing cohesively at a high level to win it all.

Just can't believe how many odd man advantages this team gives up.

Saad won 2 cups before Panarin was ever scouted to come to the NHL

What has Panarin ever won?

I'll hang up and wait for my answer
- PatShart

Surprise surprise buddy! Apparently you were unaware that the NHL awards trophies for various accomplishments. I should not have to be the one to inform you about this. Well accordingly they award an NHL rookie of the year trophy. It's called The Calder Trophy. You should have known about this trophy already. Anyway Panarin won it. There you learned something. Panarin also finished in the top dozen scorers his first two years in the league with the Hawks. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Saad did? I though that was a team championship? Sorry but individual players don't win Titles, TEAMS do. Maybe 19+88+7+Bowman should've remembered that the team success was bigger than your "marketing stars" cap hits. No single player can get full credit for winning a cup as can no single player be scapegoated more than another, especially in this sport where it is a 6man unit playing cohesively at a high level to win it all.
- EnzoD

You just can't let that go can you?

Just can't believe how many odd man advantages this team gives up.
- BetweenTheDots

Just can’t believe how adept other teams’ shooters are at hitting the high corner - either side - and the Hawks can’t do it at all.