Panarin is head and shoulders above any Hawk player except Kane. He was when he was here and he is now. Scoring at a 65 point clip with no help whatsoever in Columbus is not that far away from his 74 points last year when he played with superstar Kane. His performance this year is making Bowman who got destroyed in that trade look like a complete jackass as predicted. Making everything much worse is the fact that Bowman failed miserably to replace Panarin's point production and presence on Kane's line thereby hurting Kane's point production too. Pissed off Kane does not deserve this slap in the face treatment and neither do the Hawks. Is there any doubt this malfeasance contributed more than any other issue to a one way ticket to last place.
- Savoy

Hossa

Morin is still a very good prospect. But otherwise this is a dumb trade. Why would we need Raffl (a bottom 6 winger, as if we don't have plenty of those) or Filpula (UFA) WHILE also eating salary? Essentially the trade would be AA+Hartman for a prospect. That's ridiculous. But this is Bowman we're talking about so anything is plausible.
- kwolf68

Yeah, don't understand why we need a bottom-6 winger in Raffl. That's not our weakness. A 3C is the greater need which is where Filppula may fit. Not sold on him either as a long term solution for 3C.

So now that the plan to rejuvenate Toews worked out so wel this yearl, what is the plan for next year to rejuvenate both Toews AND Saad?
- Savoy

Give this poop a rest. Your argument is a post hoc fallacy argument. The Hawks suck this year not because we traded Panarin, but because Crow got hurt, the team has gotten older, overall talent level has been diminished over the years due to salary cap and/or trades to "go for it", the defense is a dumpster fire and Hossa went on LTIR. But you conveniently ignore ALL THAT because of your Panarin agenda, which has gotten old and stale.

Morin is still a very good prospect. But otherwise this is a dumb trade. Why would we need Raffl (a bottom 6 winger, as if we don't have plenty of those) or Filpula (UFA) WHILE also eating salary? Essentially the trade would be AA+Hartman for a prospect. That's ridiculous. But this is Bowman we're talking about so anything is plausible.
- kwolf68

Agree no way I would do this trade if I'm the Hawks . If you're giving up both Hartman n AA it best be for a younger D who has proved they can step into a top 4 spot

Yeah, don't understand why we need a bottom-6 winger in Raffl. That's not our weakness. A 3C is the greater need which is where Filppula may fit. Not sold on him either as a long term solution for 3C.
- AEL_Fox

Filpulla is a UFA, he likely wouldn't be resigned anyway depending on salary.

For the life of me I don't understand it. YES, it makes sense to go after Morin, but this is a way overpay. Teams GOING For it are the ones who typically have to overpay. I don't believe this trade for a second.

Also, Morin's star has faded a little. He's no longer considered a Top 5 prospect in the Flyers system.

I assume Philly is trying to add AA to help with their playoff push. Do what Bowman did all those years for TDL pieces, freaking pay for them.

We had to trade a prospect + #1 (yes the prospect wasn't that good, but he was at the time highly thought of) to get Vermette...How is he so much better than AA????? That's the thing about prospects, most turn out to be nothing.

AA to Philly for a #1 and Morin or AA to Philly for Morin and goalie prospect Carter Hart. That's what the past says this trade should look like....This poop involving bottom 6 wingers, pricey veterans does have Bowman's fingerprints all over it (ala the Saad trade to CBJ), but I don't believe it.

So now that the plan to rejuvenate Toews worked out so wel this yearl, what is the plan for next year to rejuvenate both Toews AND Saad?
- Savoy

A new head coach.

Filpulla is a UFA, he likely wouldn't be resigned anyway depending on salary.

For the life of me I don't understand it. YES, it makes sense to go after Morin, but this is a way overpay. Teams GOING For it are the ones who typically have to overpay. I don't believe this trade for a second.
- kwolf68

Agree.
Fleeced as a buyer and now to be fleeced as a seller. No way!

Also, Morin's star has faded a little. He's no longer considered a Top 5 prospect in the Flyers system.

I assume Philly is trying to add AA to help with their playoff push. Do what Bowman did all those years for TDL pieces, freaking pay for them.

We had to trade a prospect + #1 (yes the prospect wasn't that good, but he was at the time highly thought of) to get Vermette...How is he so much better than AA????? That's the thing about prospects, most turn out to be nothing.

AA to Philly for a #1 and Morin or AA to Philly for Morin and goalie prospect Carter Hart. That's what the past says this trade should look like....This poop involving bottom 6 wingers, pricey veterans does have Bowman's fingerprints all over it (ala the Saad trade to CBJ), but I don't believe it.
- kwolf68

Good post. I'd do either of those trades in a heartbeat.

Give this poop a rest. Your argument is a post hoc fallacy argument. The Hawks suck this year not because we traded Panarin, but because Crow got hurt, the team has gotten older, overall talent level has been diminished over the years due to salary cap and/or trades to "go for it", the defense is a dumpster fire and Hossa went on LTIR. But you conveniently ignore ALL THAT because of your Panarin agenda, which has gotten old and stale.
- kwolf68

The only difference there would be if Panarin was here is that we'd be losing with Panarin instead of Saad and people would be clamoring to trade him before his contract is up.

Good post. I'd do either of those trades in a heartbeat.
- AEL_Fox

I only made that post because of the PAST, in seeing the cost of TDL pieces. The Hawks and others pay handsomely for pieces to help with a playoff push. For a solid top 6/9 center the price is always of strong value, some combo of top pick + prospects, etc...

Then we get this nonsense that a TDL trade involving the Hawks would:
-See us trading the best TWO players to Philly in Hartsy and AA
-To a team making a playoff push
-The Hawks retain salary
-The Hawks get a UFA, a bottom 6 winger and a prospect who has dropped several spots on the prospect ranking the last 2 years.

The trade on every level is complete horsepoop and sounds like some trash cobbled together on a Flyers fan message board.

I can just see the gleam in the Philly GM eyes when his secretary goes:

"The guy who traded you two number 2 draft picks for Kimo Timmonen is on Line 2"
- kwolf68

Philly GM to Secretary: Tell Stan to hold...tell him i am speaking to a few teams about our excess D-Men, since these guys have actually played recently, i should be able to get two 1st round picks and a High Prospect + Cat. This s/b easy!!!!

Also, Morin's star has faded a little. He's no longer considered a Top 5 prospect in the Flyers system.

I assume Philly is trying to add AA to help with their playoff push. Do what Bowman did all those years for TDL pieces, freaking pay for them.

We had to trade a prospect + #1 (yes the prospect wasn't that good, but he was at the time highly thought of) to get Vermette...How is he so much better than AA????? That's the thing about prospects, most turn out to be nothing.

AA to Philly for a #1 and Morin or AA to Philly for Morin and goalie prospect Carter Hart. That's what the past says this trade should look like....This poop involving bottom 6 wingers, pricey veterans does have Bowman's fingerprints all over it (ala the Saad trade to CBJ), but I don't believe it.
- kwolf68

I would be ok with getting a #1 and a D prospect like Morin or Sanheim in exchange for AA.

I also have no issue if the deal gets bigger by the Flyers trying to dump an expiring contract in order to make cap room for themselves at the deadline by including a player Filpulla and other pieces needed to even things out. The Hawks can use up their existing LTIR room or create more by putting Crawford on LTIR. This is the rare season in the last 10 years where the Hawks can absorb bad contracts if it helps them get valuable pieces for the future (assuming those contracts expire this year).

I would be ok with getting a #1 and a D prospect like Morin or Sanheim in exchange for AA.

I also have no issue if the deal gets bigger by the Flyers trying to dump an expiring contract in order to make cap room for themselves at the deadline by including a player Filpulla and other pieces needed to even things out. The Hawks can use up their existing LTIR room or create more by putting Crawford on LTIR. This is the rare season in the last 10 years where the Hawks can absorb bad contracts if it helps them get valuable pieces for the future (assuming those contracts expire this year).
- Hawksfan37

Yes, I have no problem getting Filipula in the short term to make the money work, but he's not a long term prospect here.

This statement posted from Jakels blog is so ridiculous
"From Chicago: Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim. The Hawks might also have to retain some of Anisimov’s salary. No idea whether AA has been asked to waive, but his NMC expires 7/1 anyway."

Who gives a poop about Raffl? We have plenty of bottom 6 wingers. Fillipula is a UFA, just what we need is another bidding war. Hawks to RETAIN Salary? What? The ONLY piece worthwhile and that's still VERY much TBD is one of the young D-men. And a AA + Hartman is a vast overpay for either.

Again, look at the past...TDL moves of proven players to play top 6/9 role is almost always a #1 and a top prospect. Yet this silly season "rumor" (hot air) suggests the Hawks will actually be giving the two best players in the trade for a guy heading out of town in 3 months, a depth winger and a who knows prospect...oh yea while retaining salary?

Yes, I have no problem getting Filipula in the short term to make the money work, but he's not a long term prospect here.

This statement posted from Jakels blog is so ridiculous
"From Chicago: Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim. The Hawks might also have to retain some of Anisimov’s salary. No idea whether AA has been asked to waive, but his NMC expires 7/1 anyway."

Who gives a poop about Raffl? We have plenty of bottom 6 wingers. Fillipula is a UFA, just what we need is another bidding war. Hawks to RETAIN Salary? What? The ONLY piece worthwhile and that's still VERY much TBD is one of the young D-men. And a AA + Hartman is a vast overpay for either.

Again, look at the past...TDL moves of proven players to play top 6/9 role is almost always a #1 and a top prospect. Yet this silly season "rumor" (hot air) suggests the Hawks will actually be giving the two best players in the trade for a guy heading out of town in 3 months, a depth winger and a who knows prospect...oh yea while retaining salary?
- kwolf68

#StanBowman

Yes, I have no problem getting Filipula in the short term to make the money work, but he's not a long term prospect here.

This statement posted from Jakels blog is so ridiculous
"From Chicago: Artem Anisimov and Ryan Hartman for SOME COMBINATION, BUT LIKELY NOT ALL OF Val Fillipula, Michael Raffl and either Samuel Morin OR Travis Sanheim. The Hawks might also have to retain some of Anisimov’s salary. No idea whether AA has been asked to waive, but his NMC expires 7/1 anyway."

Who gives a poop about Raffl? We have plenty of bottom 6 wingers. Fillipula is a UFA, just what we need is another bidding war. Hawks to RETAIN Salary? What? The ONLY piece worthwhile and that's still VERY much TBD is one of the young D-men. And a AA + Hartman is a vast overpay for either.

Again, look at the past...TDL moves of proven players to play top 6/9 role is almost always a #1 and a top prospect. Yet this silly season "rumor" (hot air) suggests the Hawks will actually be giving the two best players in the trade for a guy heading out of town in 3 months, a depth winger and a who knows prospect...oh yea while retaining salary?
- kwolf68

There is no need to retain salary at all if Filpula is include din that trade. That moves the salary they need to keep AA. I doubt retaining anything would be in play there.

#StanBowman


- z1990z

I see the Bowman bashing is already in full swing when literally nothing has happened yet. Never change, HockeyBuzz.

#StanBowman


- z1990z

Stan can't be that dumb. No way is this rumor remotely viable. I love how JJ writes "we may have to retain salary"...

here Philly...we just gave you the two best players in the deal, just to make it work we'll also keep salary. LMAO. Filpulla a 33 year old UFA to be, Raffl a pushing 30 depth winger and a prospect...

for our goddamn #2 center and a 22 whatever he is 20 goal scoring Hartman who can play all around the lineup? Stupendously asinine rumor (rumor = nonsensical bullpoop).

There is no need to retain salary at all if Filpula is include din that trade. That moves the salary they need to keep AA. I doubt retaining anything would be in play there.
- JRoenick97

There is no need to make that trade, PERIOD. The retaining salary blurb was just the comedic relief in that poop.

I see the Bowman bashing is already in full swing when literally nothing has happened yet. Never change, HockeyBuzz.
- JRoenick97

Bash? I said his name. That was it, but this is a hugely important time for Stanley. He has to hit on his moves. HAS TO! Need to reload and move salary. If moving AA requires us to eat part of his salary then that is a big no. If we get a legit D prospect back and have to carry VF for the final games? Fine, trade AA.

Stan can't be that dumb. No way is this rumor remotely viable. I love how JJ writes "we may have to retain salary"...

here Philly...we just gave you the two best players in the deal, just to make it work we'll also keep salary. LMAO. Filpulla a 33 year old UFA to be, Raffl a pushing 30 depth winger and a prospect...

for our goddamn #2 center and a 22 whatever he is 20 goal scoring Hartman who can play all around the lineup? Stupendously asinine rumor (rumor = nonsensical bullpoop).
- kwolf68

I like it..

Bash? I said his name. That was it, but this is a hugely important time for Stanley. He has to hit on his moves. HAS TO! Need to reload and move salary. If moving AA requires us to eat part of his salary then that is a big no. If we get a legit D prospect back and have to carry VF for the final games? Fine, trade AA.
- z1990z

AA for a prospect and a UFA is still a bad move. We paid a top prospect + a number 1 to get Vermette. An AA move should be something similar. Maybe not as much because Vermette was a UFA, but AA should easily get the Hawks Morin and a #2.

AA for a prospect and a UFA is still a bad move. We paid a top prospect + a number 1 to get Vermette. An AA move should be something similar. Maybe not as much because Vermette was a UFA, but AA should easily get the Hawks Morin and a #2.
- kwolf68

I know nothing about the Flyers prospects on D, but you are right. If AA goes to the Flyers, a 1 or 2 plus a prospect should be coming back.

Whoever said Sanheim and Morin were lanky... Morin is not lanky. The guy is simply enormous. 6'7" with some muscle on his frame. Whenever he fights it lasts about 4 seconds before the refs have to save a guy's life.

Whoever said Sanheim and Morin were lanky... Morin is not lanky. The guy is simply enormous. 6'7" with some muscle on his frame. Whenever he fights it lasts about 4 seconds before the refs have to save a guy's life.
- ObeseOprah

Well you just gave Vandermeer23 a huge woody. Can he play Top 4 minutes in the NHL playing actual hockey? Remains to be seen.