I think you're pretty bang on with those 2 categories.

I will say, those 2 types of categories can get muddied when you incorporate millions of dollars at stake and the business side of hockey (something that neither category has had to deal with too much past an entry level contract at this point).

Honestly, didn't hear anything past "Hartman could be difficult at times" so the rest would only assumptions on my end.
- Justin Lowe

Yeah I agree, there's not much merit to it unless we hear from someone who's been in the room or at practice.

Judging by every 'hockey kid' who I grew up with, almost every single one in Chicago (Hartman's from around here right?) had the biggest chip on their shoulder. Each one was used to having the world revolve around them, and had the temper of a 3 old. It makes sense if you think about their parents driving them everywhere, buying them gear, everyone telling them they're going to be a star athlete. Only one of them 'made it', he's in the AHL now and is a pretty nice dude nowadays. But back in grade school/high school these kids were a hairtrigger away from full meltdown most of the time.

I think you're pretty bang on with those 2 categories.

I will say, those 2 types of categories can get muddied when you incorporate millions of dollars at stake and the business side of hockey (something that neither category has had to deal with too much past an entry level contract at this point).

Honestly, didn't hear anything past "Hartman could be difficult at times" so the rest would only assumptions on my end.
- Justin Lowe

I wonder how a player can get confused about his role.

Maybe if it changes over time? Or is it the guy trying to branch out and do more than what he's instructed? I don't know...

I always thought that the GM/coaching staff sits down with them and says, "Hey, we need you to be (insert player type) guy for us. That's why you're here."

Cut and dry. But maybe it's not that way?

good lord, i hope Hartman is traded or signed to a long term deal immediately just so i can stop seeing everyone speculate about his possible attitude problem.

This doesn't help anything at all and its really annoying.

good lord, i hope Hartman is traded or signed to a long term deal immediately just so i can stop seeing everyone speculate about his possible attitude problem.

This doesn't help anything at all and its really annoying.
- BlazinMike

Hey! Maybe we should look at trading you to another blog. We don't need that kind of attitude around here...

Just joking

good lord, i hope Hartman is traded or signed to a long term deal immediately just so i can stop seeing everyone speculate about his possible attitude problem.

This doesn't help anything at all and its really annoying.
- BlazinMike

I just heard form a source that BlazinMike has a poor attitude.

Where to begin...haha.

I think the Hawks need blueline help-- first and foremost. But, I don't think the Leafs would want to move any guys or prospects, because aren't you kind of thin there, too?

BTW--how has Carrick been for you guys? He's a local kid from the Chicago suburbs and I've always been rooting for him. He was with the Caps before the Leafs.
- Hank3Henshaw

we have an extra 2nd, some B LH defensive prospects and some good quality winger prospects to move.

carrick has had a tough time staying in the lineup. good puck mover .... but a little undersized. could be what's holding him back. wouldn't be surprised if he gets moved.

THere going to sign kempny and send him back
- Abadseed

Absolutely.

Blowman realized he made a huge mistake.
He's giving back the 3rd rounder from the Caps plus a 2nd and 1st.
Kempny doesn't have blood clots and isn't 40.
Blowman just realized this.

Hey, where TF is he anyway. Usually pops in on this board but guessing Sr Blowman took away his TV remote and his computer mouse as punishment for another crap trade.

we have an extra 2nd, some B LH defensive prospects and some good quality winger prospects to move.

carrick has had a tough time staying in the lineup. good puck mover .... but a little undersized. could be what's holding him back. wouldn't be surprised if he gets moved.
- Tumbleweed

Thanks for the insight.

Interesting about Carrick...sounds like he's kind of in the current NHL Defensemen mold: smallish, puck-movers who are more offensive-minded.

Would like to see some big/heavier stay-at-home Defensemen start making a comeback. But, I'm more old school in that respect.

Thanks for the insight.

Interesting about Carrick...sounds like he's kind of in the current NHL Defensemen mold: smallish, puck-movers who are more offensive-minded.

Would like to see some big/heavier stay-at-home Defensemen start making a comeback. But, I'm more old school in that respect.
- Hank3Henshaw

i wondering if carrick + for ruuta could work.

any estimate for ruuta's next contract?

we have an extra 2nd, some B LH defensive prospects, and some good quality winger prospects to move.

carrick has had a tough time staying in the lineup. good puck mover .... but a little undersized. could be what's holding him back. wouldn't be surprised if he gets moved.
- Tumbleweed

To build on that, although we definitely wouldn't say no to a legitimate defensive prospect, I think the Hawks need someone who can regularly win a faceoff as well. Right now the roster really has Toews and Kampf. I can't blame you if you have never heard of the second guy.

The Hawks are angling for a top-10 draft pick for a reason. Quality, even if the player won't have an immediate impact, is the name of the game for Chicago this trade deadline.

I just heard form a source that BlazinMike has a poor attitude.
- JRoenick97

Confirmed, source is me.

Gonna be a week or two of (frank)in belly aching about millennials and Hartman's bad attitude, gonna ruin my TDL excitement!

To build on that, although we definitely wouldn't say no to a legitimate defensive prospect, I think the Hawks need someone who can regularly win a faceoff as well. Right now the roster really has Toews and Kampf. I can't blame you if you have never heard of the second guy.

The Hawks are angling for a top-10 draft pick for a reason. Quality, even if the player won't have an immediate impact, is the name of the game for Chicago this trade deadline.
- TexasHawk

we have nothing in the pipeline for centers.

gauthier is max 4C potential. nothing more than a throw-in.

i wondering if carrick + for ruuta could work.

any estimate for ruuta's next contract?
- Tumbleweed

That's a good question. I'm not sure about what they have (or might have) in the works for him. I think he'll develop into a reliable guy at the NHL level.

I'm honestly wondering if they might be showcasing Dahlstrom. He's been rewarded for good play in the A and I think he's done well with the Blackhawks. Last game felt like a little bit of a breakout game for him against the Kings. He made some really nice defensive plays, but was also reading the puck well and making moves to get involved offensively, but be also be responsible defensively. In fact, it was his heads up play that contributed to the Hawks only goal.

i wondering if carrick + for ruuta could work.

any estimate for ruuta's next contract?
- Tumbleweed

Ruuta shouldn't get too hefty of a pay raise on his next deal i don't think.

Yeah I agree, there's not much merit to it unless we hear from someone who's been in the room or at practice.

Judging by every 'hockey kid' who I grew up with, almost every single one in Chicago (Hartman's from around here right?) had the biggest chip on their shoulder. Each one was used to having the world revolve around them, and had the temper of a 3 old. It makes sense if you think about their parents driving them everywhere, buying them gear, everyone telling them they're going to be a star athlete. Only one of them 'made it', he's in the AHL now and is a pretty nice dude nowadays. But back in grade school/high school these kids were a hairtrigger away from full meltdown most of the time.
- ObeseOprah

A few of those kids might have benefited from an early attitude adjustment by playing a season or 2 in the same minor leagues as Wayne Simmonds, Devante Smith Pelley, Kevin Weekes, Chris Stewart and a few other NHL'ers grew up in. Never mind being driven everywhere - most of the time there was no money, cars or fathers around.

Absolutely.

Blowman realized he made a huge mistake.
He's giving back the 3rd rounder from the Caps plus a 2nd and 1st.
Kempny doesn't have blood clots and isn't 40.
Blowman just realized this.

Hey, where TF is he anyway. Usually pops in on this board but guessing Sr Blowman took away his TV remote and his computer mouse as punishment for another crap trade.
- savvyone-1

So, I'm curious about this. I feel like I must be missing something.

The way I saw the Timmonen trade was that he was a lottery ticket. Kimmo was a former top-pairing guy who was coming off an injury on an expiring contract. If he came back, at even 50%, then he would have been a fantastic pickup.

The mistake of that deal was how Bowman wrote the conditional pick. The pick was tied to whether or not we reached the Stanley Cup Final. It should have been tied to minutes/games played.

Kempney has no such upside. He's 27. While I hope he has a long career, I sincerely doubt he is going to evolve into a top-pairing guy.

Also, clever.

I think you're pretty bang on with those 2 categories.

I will say, those 2 types of categories can get muddied when you incorporate millions of dollars at stake and the business side of hockey (something that neither category has had to deal with too much past an entry level contract at this point).

Honestly, didn't hear anything past "Hartman could be difficult at times" so the rest would only assumptions on my end.
- Justin Lowe

The sharp rumors started when it was time to run him out of town as well.

A few of those kids might have benefited from an early attitude adjustment by playing a season or 2 in the same minor leagues as Wayne Simmonds, Devante Smith Pelley, Kevin Weekes, Chris Stewart and a few other NHL'ers grew up in. Never mind being driven everywhere - most of the time there was no money, cars or fathers around.
- RickJ

Are these facts youre throwing out? Or some kind of race thing?

@jaeckel

Apologies for site issues, Philadelphia rumor involves Ryan Hartman and Artem Anisimov. Will post more on http://The-Rink.com soon

Freidman saying more sellers then buyers but that might be for rentals our big movable assets HART, AA, MURPH, (keith possible) are signed or controllable with reasonable contracts. So I would guess the market for rentals is not as strong.

That's kind of a BS blanket statement.

Most of these guys are 'hockey kids', which in my experience has meant one of either two things: A guy who eats, lives, and breathes hockey and is pretty relaxed in every other regard.

or

A spoiled rotten kid who is used to having his parents bend over backwards to make sure their star child gets his favorite flavor of poptarts or he throws a massive tantrum. These guys don't deal well with the word 'no'.
- ObeseOprah

Sounds funny, but very well said. This is exactly what caused me to say enough was enough on coaching after a couple years at the AAA assistant level.

Are these facts youre throwing out? Or some kind of race thing?
- BlazinMike

Facts.

Scarborough, Ontario. The tough side of Toronto.

And its too bad there was a pane of glass separating Smith-Pelley from getting at those 4 idiots chanting at him.

I'm not sure what to think about the olympics. In a rare moment of support for Bettman, if there is not going to be reasonable insurance for players then they aren't going. And if you think the NHL is f'd up how about the olympic committee. But on the other hand, it is one place to watch the some of the best hockey players all at once. As fans, we can sit here and have our opinions. But it's my understanding that Tavares was injured during the last olympic tourney, so ask the Islanders what they think.

represents the owners in the NHL, not the game itself, not the employees of the NHL, and certainly not the players. In this case he was doing his job for the owners, and to me it seems he did it well. When he does his job well most of the rest of us are going to call bullpoop on something or other. Just the way it is.
- 6628

I personally think bettman is Rocky’s favorite and most important employee.

Facts.

Scarborough, Ontario. The tough side of Toronto.

And its too bad there was a pane of glass separating Smith-Pelley from getting at those 4 idiots chanting at him.
- RickJ

Ok, what about the fathers thing? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything really stating that any of the players you mentioned didn't have fathers around.

Also, seems racial because every player you named was black.

So, I'm curious about this. I feel like I must be missing something.

The way I saw the Timmonen trade was that he was a lottery ticket. Kimmo was a former top-pairing guy who was coming off an injury on an expiring contract. If he came back, at even 50%, then he would have been a fantastic pickup.

The mistake of that deal was how Bowman wrote the conditional pick. The pick was tied to whether or not we reached the Stanley Cup Final. It should have been tied to minutes/games played.

Kempney has no such upside. He's 27. While I hope he has a long career, I sincerely doubt he is going to evolve into a top-pairing guy.

Also, clever.
- TexasHawk

Nah. Just a way to express that he should get the heave-how just as much as many think Q should (I'm in the "both can go" club cause we've see a few too many years of stubbornness on both sides including the refusal of Q to figure out how to make a cake with Stan's ingredients).

I'm also of the belief that Kempny DID/DOES have upside but Q's misuse/jerking him around didn't help. A couple of blogs ago I posted a list of about 40 guys that donned the Hawks sweater playing D. Other than the guys that were already here, that list is pretty long of guys that have "cycled" through the Stan/Q system since 2010. There's a real deficiency in developing D men here, which I pointed out (other clubs have had similar problems).