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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 3:44 PM ET
Let’s start a petition:

Hunwick for Girgensons
Mikewatchman
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.16.2016

Feb 19 @ 3:44 PM ET
Seriously...what is it with people and their obsession with Hornqvist?? Why do so many want to put him in as 1RW?? he hasn't been a mainstay there for a long time and now coming back from injury....seems...dumb..

Malkin's line has been on fire lately, BUT...they worked really good when Hornqvist was the RW there too..

How about something like this:
Guentzel-Crosby-Rust/ZAR
Hags-Malkin-HQ/Rust
Sheary/ZAR-Sheahan-Kessel
Sheary/rust-Rowney-reaves

It's not easy. but it maybe would make some sense to keep hags and malkin together. Kessel has worked quite nice with sheahan. Crosby though productive hasn't been as dangerous as he can be. by having guentzel on his wing you're giving him a weapon to succeed. I know i know, don't fix what ain't broke, but at the same time. if you have the best player in the game, then why not trying to do what you can to have him do what he does best..
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 3:47 PM ET
Is personally flip Phil and Hornqvist if we’re going with them in the top 6.
- Victoro311


I would too, but the Sid/Horn combo never seems to last.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 3:58 PM ET
If the Pens acquire Plekanec he will be 3C, not 4C.

Sheahan had been awesome as of late, but he’s been killing Phil’s production.

- Rinosaur

Think if they added Plekanec it could go either way, but I'd certainly try him with Phil first.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 19 @ 3:58 PM ET
I would too, but the Sid/Horn combo never seems to last.
- Rinosaur


Let's be honest.... No line combo has lasted this season. I guess Phil and Geno (my preference) has been the most consistent pairing.

Great interview on Madden just now. Jonathan Bomboulie (not sure of the spelling), hypothesized Sullivan likes the ability to play mad scientist with his wings. Basically using matchups and line combo's based on in-game situations.

Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:04 PM ET
True, and the Pens don't really "need" him either. But if we gave up Sheary as the roster player...look at these drool worthy lines..

Guentzel-Sid-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Malkin-Rust
ZAR-Brassard-Kessel
Simon-Sheahan-Reaves

Also...it's worth noting that GMJR said on his radio show about Sheahan being able to play wing as well. I don't really envision a scenario where that makes sense though. He may be slightly underslotted as a 4th line C but would bring a ton of value there, imo.

- YouMeAndDupuis9

Brassard at 3C would mean every center is underslotted except Crosby. Malkin is a 1C, Brassard is a 2C, and Sheahan is a 3C. Also means they're not screwed by an injury, at least ither than nobody can really replace Sid or Malkin.

Sheary is at best the 6th best wing on the team behind Kessel, Guentzel, Hornqvist, Rust, and Hagelin. And they have 3 young wings in ZAR, Simon, and Sprong as potential replacements for the last top 9 spot. If they can get Brassard and Sheary is a key piece I wouldn't even hesitate because like you said those lines would be stacked.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:06 PM ET
Let's be honest.... No line combo has lasted this season. I guess Phil and Geno (my preference) has been the most consistent pairing.

Great interview on Madden just now. Jonathan Bomboulie (not sure of the spelling), hypothesized Sullivan likes the ability to play mad scientist with his wings. Basically using matchups and line combo's based on in-game situations.

- madmike71

That's a good point and makes sense.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:15 PM ET
I just scanned an article by Craig Custance where an anonymous GM said there are only 6 teams really trying to buy, so there aren't a ton of teams looking to pay the big premium.

Sounds about right. I'd go maybe a little more : Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Nashville, Jets. Washington but they have no cap space. That's about it.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:16 PM ET
Brassard at 3C would mean every center is underslotted except Crosby. Malkin is a 1C, Brassard is a 2C, and Sheahan is a 3C. Also means they're not screwed by an injury, at least ither than nobody can really replace Sid or Malkin.

Sheary is at best the 6th best wing on the team behind Kessel, Guentzel, Hornqvist, Rust, and Hagelin. And they have 3 young wings in ZAR, Simon, and Sprong as potential replacements for the last top 9 spot. If they can get Brassard and Sheary is a key piece I wouldn't even hesitate because like you said those lines would be stacked.

- Tojo.

Agreed. The rise of ZAR has made me cool with trading Sheary for the right return. Brassard would be the right return.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 4:19 PM ET
Agreed. The rise of ZAR has made me cool with trading Sheary for the right return. Brassard would be the right return.
- Victoro311


I agree.

I would do Sheary + 2nd for Brass
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:24 PM ET
Post to post!
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 4:26 PM ET
Post to post!
- Aussiepenguin


Que?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:28 PM ET
Yup. On a day I announced finally giving up on him he made me insert foot in mouth about 6 hours later and I haven't been able to remove it since. Its awesome.
- MattStrat


Well we did give up our 1st for him who by the way (that pick), is set to become a franchise player - diamond in the rough you know!!
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 4:29 PM ET
I just scanned an article by Craig Custance where an anonymous GM said there are only 6 teams really trying to buy, so there aren't a ton of teams looking to pay the big premium.

Sounds about right. I'd go maybe a little more : Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Nashville, Jets. Washington but they have no cap space. That's about it.

- Tojo.


This is what I’ve been hearing from a lot of sports shows I listen to. Nobody thinks these outrageous asking prices will be met. Maybe one or two 1sts get moved if any.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:31 PM ET
Que?
- Rinosaur


Je ne sais pas. Et toi?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:33 PM ET
I agree.

I would do Sheary + 2nd for Brass

- Rinosaur

It'll take more. I think Sheary and a 1st would be a basis and then its a question of whether or not we can get away with not adding Sprong.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:35 PM ET
I just scanned an article by Craig Custance where an anonymous GM said there are only 6 teams really trying to buy, so there aren't a ton of teams looking to pay the big premium.

Sounds about right. I'd go maybe a little more : Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Nashville, Jets. Washington but they have no cap space. That's about it.

- Tojo.


Some more than others. Insane with a couple.

https://www.capfriendly.com
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:37 PM ET
This is what I’ve been hearing from a lot of sports shows I listen to. Nobody thinks these outrageous asking prices will be met. Maybe one or two 1sts get moved if any.
- Rinosaur

Not for the rentals unless they drop some of the other demands. Guys like Brassard, Patches, Hoffman, McDonagh could get 1sts. If you're holding Kane or Nash, you probably need to adjust down.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:43 PM ET
I wonder how much John Carlson is worth on the open market, & how much discount he says going to give the Caps?
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:46 PM ET
It'll take more. I think Sheary and a 1st would be a basis and then its a question of whether or not we can get away with not adding Sprong.
- Victoro311

I don't think we'd need to add Sprong to Sheary and a 1st. Could see them really wanting Gustavsson although even that seems high. Maybe get the 1st downgraded to a 2nd or something. But there's a trade to be made there.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 4:57 PM ET
It'll take more. I think Sheary and a 1st would be a basis and then its a question of whether or not we can get away with not adding Sprong.
- Victoro311


I think a 2nd + Sheary is enough. I guess we will see... or not see lol
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:58 PM ET
Well we did give up our 1st for him who by the way (that pick), is set to become a franchise player - diamond in the rough you know!!
- Aussiepenguin



Hahah I defended the trade and him, saying to give him more time right up to the day he turned it around haha

EDIT: In all seriousness though, regardless of uptick in play, should he be in lineup when Horny returns? Has he been better than Simon?... Simon is LW, I know, but pretty sure he was being used on RW last night.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 4:59 PM ET
I wonder how much John Carlson is worth on the open market, & how much discount he says going to give the Caps?
- Aussiepenguin


Carlson will get paid and if the cap goes up as much as they say? I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get $7M - $8M.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:59 PM ET
It'll take more. I think Sheary and a 1st would be a basis and then its a question of whether or not we can get away with not adding Sprong.
- Victoro311


So let's go with the middle ground (which I actually think is pretty steep)....Sheary + Sprong + 2nd for Brassard.

versus...

being comfortable with Sheahan at 3C, bring in a cheap 4C, and maybe consider a 1st + Not Sprong prospect for a wing upgrade. The 'available' wings are some pretty big names and probably cost less than Brassard.

I could get behind either option...
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
So let's go with the middle ground (which I actually think is pretty steep)....Sheary + Sprong + 2nd for Brassard.

versus...

being comfortable with Sheahan at 3C, bring in a cheap 4C, and maybe consider a 1st + Not Sprong prospect for a wing upgrade. The 'available' wings are some pretty big names and probably cost less than Brassard.

I could get behind either option...

- YouMeAndDupuis9


I think Hunwick could be enough to grab an upgradr at 4C.
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