Yeah i get it......i still feel he should have been fired for the Vanek debacle. I find it funny that Mr Conservative Garth Snow only takes risks with pending UFAs and has been burned everytime.
- kindlyrick

The only Vanek issue I had was the extra 1st rd pick, the trade was fine bc Vanek is a much better player than Moulson ...

The only Vanek issue I had was the extra 1st rd pick, the trade was fine bc Vanek is a much better player than Moulson ...
- Ur Not Me

The first round pick is the reason i take issue. You’re not getting Vanek for Moulson straight up. This is also the same GM that’s hoarding his picks now like it’s year 1 of a rebuild.
The trade itself was fine, but knowing you couldn’t re sign him after offering him crazy money, only to get Collberg in return??? That’s the second time he got burned doing that and yet it’s barely discussed. If a Canadian teams GM got beat twice like that they woulda been gone that year.

The first round pick is the reason i take issue. You’re not getting Vanek for Moulson straight up.
The trade itself was fine, but knowing you couldn’t re sign him after offering him crazy money, only to get Collberg in return??? That’s the second time he got burned doing that and yet it’s barely discussed. If a Canadian teams GM got beat twice like that they woulda been gone that year.
- kindlyrick

wasnt it 2 1st's? i dont remember but i would of given up 1 1st not 2 for him ...

wasnt it 2 1st's? i dont remember but i would of given up 1 1st not 2 for him ...
- Ur Not Me

I believe it was one. Either way it’s like buying a house for a million bucks and selling it for 500k and then saying flat out you’d do it again because at the time you thought it was a good buy. But, guess what......it wasn’t a good buy.

I believe it was one. Either way it’s like buying a house for a million bucks and selling it for 500k and then saying flat out you’d do it again because at the time you thought it was a good buy. But, guess what......it wasn’t a good buy.
- kindlyrick

It was worth the risk bc Vanek outplayed Moulson in every aspect, prob was every other Gm in league knew Vanek was going home to Minn, so Garf didnt have any legs to stand on, that's the issue on that ....
Same thing with Okposo, everyone Gm knew if isles didnt resign him, he wanted to go to BUFF bc of Moulson

5. Newly extended Canucks GM Jim Benning raised eyebrows on Hockey Night in Canada last weekend when he said the team “would like to add a big player. Maybe a forward with some physicality who has the skill to make plays.”

My sense is they are looking for youngish players with some term or team control. Possible fits could be the likes of Nick Bjugstad (Florida), Vladislav Namestnikov (Tampa Bay) or Brock Nelson (Islanders).

The only NYI mention from Friedman's 31 Thoughts. Wonder if they'd really trade Tanev and if he couldn't be had for 1st+Nelson+another piece
- eichiefs9

WAY too much for Tanev. Think of him as a soft version of Adam Larsson. Elite defensively, meh offensively, isn’t that physical, and breaks easier than Boychuk.

WAY too much for Tanev. Think of him as a soft version of Adam Larsson. Elite defensively, meh offensively, isn’t that physical, and breaks easier than Boychuk.
- Wildschwein

Agreed

WAY too much for Tanev. Think of him as a soft version of Adam Larsson. Elite defensively, meh offensively, isn’t that physical, and breaks easier than Boychuk.
- Wildschwein

We could use some 'elite defensively' around here

We could use some 'elite defensively' around here
- PeteM

True that. But believe you me, you’d hate him before long.

It was worth the risk bc Vanek outplayed Moulson in every aspect, prob was every other Gm in league knew Vanek was going home to Minn, so Garf didnt have any legs to stand on, that's the issue on that ....
Same thing with Okposo, everyone Gm knew if isles didnt resign him, he wanted to go to BUFF bc of Moulson
- Ur Not Me

I guess my point is this is the same GM who gave up a first for a rental and is now adamant about not giving up a first for a rental. I’m not suggesting that should be done, i’m merely pointing out the inconsistencies with the GM, who somehow gets away with BSing everyone.

You’re saying it was worth the risk to trade a first rounder for a rental? The isles GM is saying it’s not worth it, yet he’s done it twice and it’s failed.

Would u take Karlsson in a deal knowing you have to take Bobby Ryan's contract too??? Lessens the return a bit ...

I guess my point is this is the same GM who gave up a first for a rental and is now adamant about not giving up a first for a rental. I’m not suggesting that should be done, in merely pointing out the inconsistencies with the GM, who somehow gets away with BSing everyone.
- kindlyrick

This whole organization has been BSing for years, even so far new owners

This whole organization has been BSing for years, even so far new owners
- Ur Not Me

Agreed which is why fans should literally stop going

Would u take Karlsson in a deal knowing you have to take Bobby Ryan's contract too??? Lessens the return a bit ...
- Ur Not Me

If you do that then you have to trade one of Tavares or Barzal. Karlsson needs his new contract in a little over a years time, and I can’t see how you’d be able to afford all four.

Ryan - 7.25 mill.
Karlsson - at least 10 mill.
Tavares - at least 10 mill.
Barzal - if he keeps this up he’ll be worth 7+ after his ELC.

Would u take Karlsson in a deal knowing you have to take Bobby Ryan's contract too??? Lessens the return a bit ...
- Ur Not Me

Depending on the cost, absolutely. Is he any worse at this point than what we have on the third line?

It’s never too late. Someone would give up major pieces for the right to sign him. I don’t want to trade Tavares but if he or anyone else is what’s keeping Garth Snow then nice knowin ya.
- kindlyrick

At this late date? What contending team is giving up major pieces? The summer was the best time to trade JT.

If you do that then you have to trade one of Tavares or Barzal. Karlsson needs his new contract in a little over a years time, and I can’t see how you’d be able to afford all four.

Ryan - 7.25 mill.
Karlsson - at least 10 mill.
Tavares - at least 10 mill.
Barzal - if he keeps this up he’ll be worth 7+ after his ELC.
- Wildschwein

heard OTT will retain sum of Ryans salary plus cap is going up next yr plus possibly year after

Depending on the cost, absolutely. Is he any worse at this point than what we have on the third line?
- PeteM

dont know yet, but Nelson +++ and 1 bad contract going back

At this late date? What contending team is giving up major pieces? The summer was the best time to trade JT.
- ses111

Nah man....a player like 91 would get a haul at the 23rd hour. Although Garth would end up getting more prospects who won’t make the NHL and draft more top 5 picks who are busts. Or draft more problem child’s outta juniors, or better yet ones who are signed in Russia.

Ek has the Isles moving on Raanta. Have to think the price will be steep. Would be a very ice pickup, but Isles still have to address the defense and giving up all these shots.

The only Vanek issue I had was the extra 1st rd pick, the trade was fine bc Vanek is a much better player than Moulson ...
- Ur Not Me

Was fine with the trade but at the time we didn't need a forward we needed a defenseman. If he also got a top 4 we would be speaking differently about Snow and there in lies the problem.

Ek has the Isles moving on Raanta. Have to think the price will be steep. Would be a very ice pickup, but Isles still have to address the defense and giving up all these shots.
- ses111

Automatic false if EK is reporting it ...

Was fine with the trade but at the time we didn't need a forward we needed a defenseman. If he also got a top 4 we would be speaking differently about Snow and there in lies the problem.
- Cptmjl

Agreed, NO FA was coming here, but most stayed after traded for ....

Automatic false if EK is reporting it ...
- Ur Not Me

I can see the Isles having interest but they better get OEL as well for the D.

I can see the Isles having interest but they better get OEL as well for the D.
- ses111

In a perfect world, Garf aquires Karlsson & OEL by parting with both 1st's this year