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Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 19 @ 4:43 PM ET
Between the current prospect pipeline, the amount of kids playing well on the NHL roster and the fact that we have 2 firsts, a second and 2 fourths in the upcoming draft, I really think moving a 3rd is not a big deal.
- BiggE


What about a 4th and 6th?
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 19 @ 4:53 PM ET
Just looking at Neuvirths track record he should have already made a deal. Hextall couldn't have thought Neuvirth was capable of starting games for 5 weeks straight without getting injured considering he hasn't done that his whole career. I like Hextall but he is too hesitant, if this were Holmgren we would have a goalie already. Say all you want about Holmgren making dumb deals but when the team was having success he tried to put them in the best positions to win. I hope you are right and he is working on a deal but until I see it I can't believe it. Hextall has shown to many times that he is way to conservative as a GM.
- FreshFlyer


Are you high?? Homer ran this organization into the ground, and Hextall is STILL trying to clean it up. Give the guy a chance. Neuvy just went down yesterday! Sheesh!!
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:55 PM ET
Trade the freaking THIRD ROUND PICK for MRAZEK.

Then trade Neuvy and sign MRAZEK to be the 1b for 2 years.

HOW HARD IS IT?

- dragonoffrost


There is a lot of over thinking here. Not sure I'd resign Mrazek, but the ability to get him isn't breaking the bank.

I know they probably won't make it past the 1st, but I'd at least like to see them IN the playoffs. And at this point what choice do they have? Mrazek seems to be the best in a who's who of targeted goalies.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Feb 19 @ 4:59 PM ET
Knowing the way Hexy covets draft picks, since Mrazek is an RFA, maybe he wants a sense of Mrazek contract requests. IIRC, when they traded for Biron. I thought he was going to be a RFA or even a UFA, but they traded for him with the new contract pretty much already hammered out.
- ravishingone

Maybe those are the "discussions" that are supposedly going on. Maybe they'll take the glass man back in the trade as well.

I don't get to watch the Wings alot. Howard and Mrazek seem to have similar stats this year. Why are the Wings trying to get rid for the RFA and not the guy with 5.2M cap hit?
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Feb 19 @ 4:59 PM ET
Would anyone have interest in targeting Raanta + Domi?
- arichardson22

I like Raanta alone over that Mrazek deal. I think AZ would listen. But what do you have in mind for Raatna and Domi?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 19 @ 5:00 PM ET
Are you high?? Homer ran this organization into the ground, and Hextall is STILL trying to clean it up. Give the guy a chance. Neuvy just went down yesterday! Sheesh!!
- Hokeeguy9


DOOOOO SOMETHINGGGGGG!!!!!!1
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Feb 19 @ 5:03 PM ET
DOOOOO SOMETHINGGGGGG!!!!!!1
- Scoob



OMG HEXTOLL WAI YU NO MAEK TRAED?!?!?!?!
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Feb 19 @ 5:04 PM ET
Your preemptive anger is interesting.

Unhealthy, but interesting.

Also, before Neuvirth got hurt, there wasn't a pressing need to acquire another goalie. Elliot will be back for the playoffs. There was no hesitation. Now that Neuvirth is hurt, there is a pressing need. I doubt Hextall is playing Candy Crush right now. He's working to get something done - not hesitating.

- Scoob

Yes he is. Don't you know, he only cares about the draft.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:07 PM ET
Are you high?? Homer ran this organization into the ground, and Hextall is STILL trying to clean it up. Give the guy a chance. Neuvy just went down yesterday! Sheesh!!
- Hokeeguy9


I didn't realize making the playoffs for consecutive years straight and getting the team to a Cup Finals made you a terrible GM. Holmgren gets a bad wrap from everyone on these boards. He honestly may have been one of the best GM's in team history but everyone has their own opinions I guess. And no I'm not high and I respect Hextall's level of patience with drafting and developing players what I am referring to is the hesitancy to trade a mid round pick for something the Flyers desperately need at the moment. Hextall is a good GM I just wish he had some Holmgren in him sometimes is all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 19 @ 5:09 PM ET
If Hextall doesn't add a goalie by the weekend I have no clue what he is doing at all. What kind of message does that send to the team for the stretch drive not a good one in my eyes. He's been afraid to make trades since he's been the GM I see no issue trading a 2nd rounder or anything less for a goalie with the situation the Flyers are in right now. Not to mention how many picks / prospects we already have. Hextall really baffles me sometimes he should have traded that 3rd for Mrazek when it was offered it's a 3rd round pick and we have 2 firsts and 2 4ths in the upcoming draft why so stingy when the season literally depends on it at this point.
- FreshFlyer


Hextall is afraid to make trades? He traded Brayden Schenn. Doesn't the status of Neuvirth affect the urgency of what needs to be done? I agree that he needs to make a move but the idea that he needs to give up a top asset such as a 2nd round pick baffles me. The idea that the season is dependent on it is also premature.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
Hart's backup yesterday picked up his 4th shutout of the year. The backup Dustin Wolf is now 12-5 with a GAA of 2.31 and Save pct. of .931. Hart bests those numbers by a good margin but they seem to be a stingy team overall.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:12 PM ET
Hextall is afraid to make trades? He traded Brayden Schenn. Doesn't the status of Neuvirth affect the urgency of what needs to be done? I agree that he needs to make a move but the idea that he needs to give up a top asset such as a 2nd round pick baffles me. The idea that the season is dependent on it is also premature.
- MJL


If the Flyers go with Lyon for 5 weeks I can make the assumption that they won't be making the playoffs this season hence the reason I say the season depends on it. If you believe otherwise I don't know what to say, because there is no way Lyon is capable of backstopping this team to a playoff spot, he isn't ready for a role like that. And when you have 2 1st's and the best prospect pool in the league trading a 2nd rounder shouldn't be that big of a deal, making the playoffs and getting the younger guys more experience is more valuable than a 2nd rounder in my opinion. If the Flyers prospect pool was terrible than I would agree with you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 19 @ 5:17 PM ET
So what exactly is your solution to the issue of not having a first or second string goaltender for an extended period of time. It is a third round pick as mentioned many times before big deal. We have two first rounders this year. This is where the really good prospects are.
- Daceroni



I haven't seen a time table for Neuvirth's return or for how long he will be out. Neither Neuvirth or Elliott have been ruled out for the season. I believe the Flyers can get a competent NHL goalie for less than a 3rd round pick. I don't feel that the Flyers should be giving up a significant future asset for a rental player.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 19 @ 5:18 PM ET
I didn't realize making the playoffs for consecutive years straight and getting the team to a Cup Finals made you a terrible GM. Holmgren gets a bad wrap from everyone on these boards. He honestly may have been one of the best GM's in team history but everyone has their own opinions I guess. And no I'm not high and I respect Hextall's level of patience with drafting and developing players what I am referring to is the hesitancy to trade a mid round pick for something the Flyers desperately need at the moment. Hextall is a good GM I just wish he had some Holmgren in him sometimes is all.
- FreshFlyer


Point taken.

There are a few goalies that would work in this situation. With a whole week to go to the deadline, I’m giving Hexy the benefit of the doubt in trying to deal for a goalie. I’d like him to do his due diligence and negotiate prudently. I agree “something” must be done. It’s just that doing it hap-hazzardly can saddle us with another bad contract that hurts the cap situation. Probably should of chosen other words. Your opinion brings value as much as any other.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:19 PM ET
I haven't seen a time table for Neuvirth's return or for how long he will be out. Neither Neuvirth or Elliott have been ruled out for the season. I believe the Flyers can get a competent NHL goalie for less than a 3rd round pick. I don't feel that the Flyers should be giving up a significant future asset for a rental player.
- MJL


Not sure if the Flyers will sign Mrazek if that's who they end up with. He is capable of being a better starting option than Elliot and Neuvirth so he may not be just a rental. When Mrazek is on he is better than those two.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:22 PM ET
Point taken.

There are a few goalies that would work in this situation. With a whole week to go to the deadline, I’m giving Hexy the benefit of the doubt in trying to deal for a goalie. I’d like him to do his due diligence and negotiate prudently. I agree “something” must be done. It’s just that doing it hap-hazzardly can saddle us with another bad contract that hurts the cap situation. Probably should of chosen other words. Your opinion brings value as much as any other.

- Hokeeguy9


I just don't want to see Hextall get handcuffed in this situation anymore than he already is. This is hockey, I mean the chances are slim Lyon would get injured but it could happen and then you really have zero leverage at all. That's why I prefer he made a deal now than at the deadline. But you are right he is most likely going to make some sort of move.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 19 @ 5:24 PM ET
If the Flyers go with Lyon for 5 weeks I can make the assumption that they won't be making the playoffs this season hence the reason I say the season depends on it. If you believe otherwise I don't know what to say, because there is no way Lyon is capable of backstopping this team to a playoff spot, he isn't ready for a role like that. And when you have 2 1st's and the best prospect pool in the league trading a 2nd rounder shouldn't be that big of a deal, making the playoffs and getting the younger guys more experience is more valuable than a 2nd rounder in my opinion. If the Flyers prospect pool was terrible than I would agree with you.
- FreshFlyer


Are the Flyers going to go with Lyon for 5 weeks?

I'll re-post what I posted earlier today.

I think one of the keys in a cap era is to continue the flow of prospects as best you can. Prospects are just that until they make it to the NHL and contribute. I don't see having an excess of either quality prospects or an excess of draft picks themselves as a valid reason to overpay for a rental player at this point of the Flyers team development.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Feb 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
I just don't want to see Hextall get handcuffed in this situation anymore than he already is. This is hockey, I mean the chances are slim Lyon would get injured but it could happen and then you really have zero leverage at all. That's why I prefer he made a deal now than at the deadline. But you are right he is most likely going to make some sort of move.
- FreshFlyer

In my opinion, he has to do something. I am just not sure it will be Mrazek. Even if Neuvirth is day to day, what says he won't get hurt after the deadline?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
Not sure if the Flyers will sign Mrazek if that's who they end up with. He is capable of being a better starting option than Elliot and Neuvirth so he may not be just a rental. When Mrazek is on he is better than those two.
- FreshFlyer


If they trade for Mrazek with the idea of re-signing him for future years then I would be okay with giving up a 3rd round pick for him.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
Hextall is not going to do a rental imo. I believe whoever he brings in for the playoffs will be here next year as well. I don't see how you can comeback with Neuvirth next year. Stolarz is a total wild card also.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
In my opinion, he has to do something. I am just not sure it will be Mrazek. Even if Neuvirth is day to day, what says he won't get hurt after the deadline?
- FlyerFan16


I saw Panaccio mention on twitter Neuvy had a groin pull. Not sure if that's accurate but I assume if it is the case he'd be out at the least 2-4 weeks, as groin injuries are very tricky. I'm not sure who it will be either but Hexy does have to do something, going with Lyon the rest of the way wouldn't be the smartest move. I would prefer Pickard over Mrazek but both would be fine. Both are capable of stealing games when they are playing well, you want someone that has that type of ability in the net.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 19 @ 5:32 PM ET
In my opinion, he has to do something. I am just not sure it will be Mrazek. Even if Neuvirth is day to day, what says he won't get hurt after the deadline?
- FlyerFan16


Neuvirth is a 0. You have nothing in him. That's how they have to operate unfortunately.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:32 PM ET
What did I miss
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
I saw Panaccio mention on twitter Neuvy had a groin pull. Not sure if that's accurate but I assume if it is the case he'd be out at the least 2-4 weeks, as groin injuries are very tricky. I'm not sure who it will be either but Hexy does have to do something, going with Lyon the rest of the way wouldn't be the smartest move. I would prefer Pickard over Mrazek but both would be fine. Both are capable of stealing games when they are playing well, you want someone that has that type of ability in the net.
- FreshFlyer


I like the idea of those two over crap like Niemi, Lehtonen. I probably prefer it over Lehner. If Hexy has to pay up a little more to secure a Pickard...a Mrazek then get it done.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 19 @ 5:34 PM ET
I like Raanta but does Arizona really want to move him? I'm sure they'd like to find some level of stability at the position and I don't think they have much on the depth chart behind him.
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