What would be your plan moving forward such as next season?
- MJL

Somehow moving on from one or both Elliot and Neurwirth.

Kempny to caps for 3rd rounder

Somehow moving on from one or both Elliot and Neurwirth.
- all-pgh

It's a really tough situation to be in. Both Elliot, Neuvirth and Mrazek are under contract next season. Neuvirth looks to me to be unmovable given his consistent injury history so regardless of what goalie the Flyers bring in for the stretch run it looks like Philadelphia is eating next season on that contract. Also consider that Elliot may not recover as quickly or as solidly under the projected timeline for this injury. Remember he's not exactly a spring chicken. Also will he rehab and come back from the injury in his same sterling playing condition he exhibited before going down?

Kempny to caps for 3rd rounder
- Tfaehner

has good underlying numbers, but has been scratched multiple times by the Hawks this year.

The D market is crazy.

Somehow moving on from one or both Elliot and Neurwirth.
- all-pgh

Moving away from Neuvirth would be great.

It's a really tough situation to be in. Both Elliot, Neuvirth and Mrazek are under contract next season. Neuvirth looks to me to be unmovable given his consistent injury history so regardless of what goalie the Flyers bring in for the stretch run it looks like Philadelphia is eating next season on that contract. Also consider that Elliot may not recover as quickly or as solidly under the projected timeline for this injury. Remember he's not exactly a spring chicken. Also will he rehab and come back from the injury in his same sterling playing condition he exhibited before going down?
- Pixote Andolini

Mrazek is not under contract for next season. He is an RFA.

What would be your plan moving forward such as next season?
- MJL

For my part, if the worst case scenario of eating the loss of the 3rd round pick and letting Mrazek go without qualifying him came to pass.. i'd live with it. Its not ideal, but I'd live with it.

If Mrazek surpassed expectations, I could live with signing him to a short term deal (he's probably not accepting less than 2 years).

I'm assuming that Hart is two years away.

Buying out Neuvirth in the absence of a trade is also probably not ideal, but as posters above have pointed out, it can be done.

Somehow moving on from one or both Elliot and Neurwirth.
- all-pgh

I would go with Elliott and one of the kids. If they don't feel one of the kids is ready, then another cheap veteran until one of the kids is ready. They might have been ready to give Stolarz a shot at being an NHL back up if he didn't get hurt. I believe he was above Lyon on the depth chart. I don't believe they will have Hart or Sandstrom in the NHL next year.

I do believe Neuvirth's days as a Flyer will come to an end before next year starts. At least that's what I would do. The guy has proven time after time he can't stay healthy.

For my part, if the worst case scenario of eating the loss of the 3rd round pick and letting Mrazek go without qualifying him came to pass.. i'd live with it. Its not ideal, but I'd live with it.

If Mrazek surpassed expectations, I could live with signing him to a short term deal (he's probably not accepting less than 2 years).

I'm assuming that Hart is two years away.

Buying out Neuvirth in the absence of a trade is also probably not ideal, but as posters above have pointed out, it can be done.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Neuvirth radko and radko sister for price

For my part, if the worst case scenario of eating the loss of the 3rd round pick and letting Mrazek go without qualifying him came to pass.. i'd live with it. Its not ideal, but I'd live with it.

If Mrazek surpassed expectations, I could live with signing him to a short term deal (he's probably not accepting less than 2 years).

I'm assuming that Hart is two years away.

Buying out Neuvirth in the absence of a trade is also probably not ideal, but as posters above have pointed out, it can be done.
- Doc_Sarcasm

In my opinion, if you don't see Mrazek as the guy you want to move forward with in future years, at least for a few then you don't give up a 3rd round pick. I don't see any reason for the Flyers to give up that high of a future pick for a player they view as a rental.

Neuvirth radko and radko sister for price
- Tfaehner

I wouldnt trust Bergevin with Radko's sister.

Understandable, but this is Morin s 3 rd year being a pro. Im assuming Hexy would have a pretty good evaluation of where Morin is and where he can reasonably elevate to become. If he is moved I consider it asset management just like the trades of McGinn and Rinaldo. Personally, I dont have a preference either way.
- ravishingone

yeah but it is hard to find the 6 7 mobile D, Pitt is doing well with theirs, Hextall needs to give Morin time because he should, plus to match the Pens

I wouldnt trust Bergevin with Radko's sister.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Gudas would end his life for neuvy and he would become a Canadian legend the man who finally got rid of bergevin

In my opinion, if you don't see Mrazek as the guy you want to move forward with in future years, at least for a few then you don't give up a 3rd round pick. I don't see any reason for the Flyers to give up that high of a future pick for a player they view as a rental.
- MJL

I would have more of an issue with dealing the 3rd round pick if the prospect pipeline werent in the shape that it currently is.

And, I'm not certain that Mrazek won't be in my plans. Right now, I would absolutely value him higher than Neuvirth, but I will concede that it is possible that he could play himself out of consideration.

'member when the Flyers used to treat 2nd round picks as though they were virtually worthless? I think we could live with the absence of a single 3rd.

I would have more of an issue with dealing the 3rd round pick if the prospect pipeline werent in the shape that it currently is.

And, I'm not certain that Mrazek won't be in my plans. Right now, I would absolutely value him higher than Neuvirth, but I will concede that it is possible that he could play himself out of consideration.

'member when the Flyers used to treat 2nd round picks as though they were virtually worthless? I think we could live with the absence of a single 3rd.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Between the current prospect pipeline, the amount of kids playing well on the NHL roster and the fact that we have 2 firsts, a second and 2 fourths in the upcoming draft, I really think moving a 3rd is not a big deal.

Between the current prospect pipeline, the amount of kids playing well on the NHL roster and the fact that we have 2 firsts, a second and 2 fourths in the upcoming draft, I really think moving a 3rd is not a big deal.
- BiggE

Newest report is flyers denied red wings wanting a 3rd red wings denied flyers for a 4th rounder. Sounds like a stipulation on whether we re sign him or something of that sort like games played could be the bread breaker that gets the deal done today

I would have more of an issue with dealing the 3rd round pick if the prospect pipeline werent in the shape that it currently is.

And, I'm not certain that Mrazek won't be in my plans. Right now, I would absolutely value him higher than Neuvirth, but I will concede that it is possible that he could play himself out of consideration.

'member when the Flyers used to treat 2nd round picks as though they were virtually worthless? I think we could live with the absence of a single 3rd.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I'm glad were not living without our 2012 3rd round pick.

Your point is valid, if they feel Mrazek can be signed for a fair price and limited term then I would consider it. I don't think Hextall does it though.

I'm glad were not living without our 2012 3rd round pick.

Your point is valid, if they feel Mrazek can be signed for a fair price and limited term then I would consider it. I don't think Hextall does it though.
- FlyerFan16

Could you imagine if when the Flyers traded up in the 2nd round to draft Kevin Marshall, that they had spent that pick on P.K. Subban instead? Forgetting for a moment all the butterfly effect, fractal tree, chaos theory crap that would have followed such a move.. could you imagine just being able to pencil Subban into our current lineup?



Fun fact: T.J. Brennan was the first selection in the 2nd round of that draft.

My point is that if he's going to be cheap and keep his picks in his pocket and gets a bargain barrel goalie instead then its almost like a soft tank. (yes, Pens fan, tank...)
I think the team is playing really good hockey and with the race as tight as it is, I would be mad if they just rolled with Lyon and some other scrub.
- all-pgh

Anytime you can make the playoffs you have a shot. With TK, Patrick, Weal and Laughton you have really improved your depth and your team. I think it is fair to say they are gelling faster and better than expected.

What are they short from contending, legit scoring winger, upgraded 4th line and 1-2 D. You can't trade for all of that at the deadline. Are the players they need in LHV now? You could make a good argument that all of them are or will be next season.

(side note Lethera is playing good hockey, not 4 mil hockey but good hockey)

We say don't trade significant assets for this season, I agree. I define them as roster players who they believe can fill the holes I mentioned above.

We don't know if the final 20 plus games the Flyers will continue to play at this high level. They are now and that makes us feel like we could pick up a player or two and have a shot to win it all. They have the mojo and some really good pieces, you never know they could make a run.


My opinion, if you make a trade and it involves a roster/prospect player, make sure it is a hockey trade, both sides should win. If you are trading picks, anything but a first round pick, go for it. They have a good team now, they have good players in the AHL and good players not playing in the AHL, they have 11 picks coming up use them.

They have the mojo so you dont want to mess with the chemistry, but 1 or 2 adds could give them a chance to surprise in the playoffs

I would have more of an issue with dealing the 3rd round pick if the prospect pipeline werent in the shape that it currently is.

And, I'm not certain that Mrazek won't be in my plans. Right now, I would absolutely value him higher than Neuvirth, but I will concede that it is possible that he could play himself out of consideration.

'member when the Flyers used to treat 2nd round picks as though they were virtually worthless? I think we could live with the absence of a single 3rd.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I think one of the keys in a cap era is to continue the flow of prospects as best you can. Prospects are just that until they make it to the NHL and contribute. I don't see having an excess of either quality prospects or an excess of draft picks themselves as a valid reason to overpay for a rental player at this point of the Flyers team development.

I don't expect the Flyers to dump Morin, but if they plan on extending Manning and playing him ahead of prospects with upside again next season, then the only spot for Morin would be as a #7 unless another dman is getting moved.

Provorov-Ghost
Hagg-MacDonald
Manning-Gudas
Morin

Sanheim in the AHL.

Anytime you can make the playoffs you have a shot. With TK, Patrick, Weal and Laughton you have really improved your depth and your team. I think it is fair to say they are gelling faster and better than expected.

What are they short from contending, legit scoring winger, upgraded 4th line and 1-2 D. You can't trade for all of that at the deadline. Are the players they need in LHV now? You could make a good argument that all of them are or will be next season.

(side note Lethera is playing good hockey, not 4 mil hockey but good hockey)

We say don't trade significant assets for this season, I agree. I define them as roster players who they believe can fill the holes I mentioned above.

We don't know if the final 20 plus games the Flyers will continue to play at this high level. They are now and that makes us feel like we could pick up a player or two and have a shot to win it all. They have the mojo and some really good pieces, you never know they could make a run.


My opinion, if you make a trade and it involves a roster/prospect player, make sure it is a hockey trade, both sides should win. If you are trading picks, anything but a first round pick, go for it. They have a good team now, they have good players in the AHL and good players not playing in the AHL, they have 11 picks coming up use them.

They have the mojo so you dont want to mess with the chemistry, but 1 or 2 adds could give them a chance to surprise in the playoffs
- wcorvette

Exactly.

As I posted a few days ago, no one saw any of the following winning the Cup or going to the finals at the start of the playoffs:

85-86 Canadiens
89-90 Oilers
92-93 Canadiens
97-98 Capitals
02-03 Hurricanes
05-06 Hurricanes
05-06 Oilers
11-12 Devils

A goalie can get hot, your opponent can suffer key injuries, the favorite could get upset in the previous round. All of these can and have happened. To refuse to part with a 3rd round pick to legitimately improve your team's chances in the playoffs is just silly. No one is calling for them to trade Sanheim, Frost, Lindblom, Myers, Rubtsov, Hart or a 1st, just one 3rd round friggin pick.

I don't expect the Flyers to dump Morin, but if they plan on extending Manning and playing him ahead of prospects with upside again next season, then the only spot for Morin would be as a #7 unless another dman is getting moved.

Provorov-Ghost
Hagg-MacDonald
Manning-Gudas
Morin

Sanheim in the AHL.
- Feanor

I see Sanheim as a lock to be on the opening night roster next season. I think the Flyers are going to have to make some kind of move between MacDonald or Gudas.

Could you imagine if when the Flyers traded up in the 2nd round to draft Kevin Marshall, that they had spent that pick on P.K. Subban instead? Forgetting for a moment all the butterfly effect, fractal tree, chaos theory crap that would have followed such a move.. could you imagine just being able to pencil Subban into our current lineup?



Fun fact: T.J. Brennan was the first selection in the 2nd round of that draft.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Flyers have usually been good with 1st round picks, no matter where in the first round. It's been the last 5 years or so that they seem to be better in the later rounds.

If they had drafted Subban, who knows what the franchise would look like today.

Exactly.

As I posted a few days ago, no one saw any of the following winning the Cup or going to the finals at the start of the playoffs:

85-86 Canadiens
89-90 Oilers
92-93 Canadiens
97-98 Capitals
02-03 Hurricanes
05-06 Hurricanes
05-06 Oilers
11-12 Devils


- BiggE

All of that happened. How many teams in those same years traded picks or prospects to add for a playoff run and came up short? How may years did the Flyers trade picks and or prospects to add for a playoff run only to come up short?