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wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 9:45 PM ET
This is the kind of thing that should be glaringly obvious to the coach.
- BiggE



you hope after tonight he will

Islanders up 2 with 8 to go
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Feb 16 @ 9:45 PM ET
I'll try to wade through your sentence structure, Hack Weise actually had good coverage on that play.
- Doctor DOOM

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 16 @ 9:47 PM ET
Go (frank) yourself Hak and the two points the team just got on the road against a division opponent.
- MJL

Blah, blah, blah, company man, blah, blah, blah, coach is always right, blah, blah, blah

Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Feb 16 @ 9:47 PM ET
I'll try to wade through your sentence structure, Hack Weise actually had good coverage on that play.
- Doctor DOOM



Go easy on him, English is like a second language to him... or maybe third.. possibly fourth.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 9:47 PM ET
Blah, blah, blah, company man, blah, blah, blah, coach is always right, blah, blah, blah
- BiggE



guy hasnt had an original thought in his life
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:48 PM ET
Don't mean to pick on you (you just happen to be the first to respond), but the female doging about Hak reminds me very much of certain Eagle fans with Doug P last year. Do I like the 4th line being out there with one minute left? No. However, the goal against was an icing so to blame the coach is ridiculous. And if this team had competent PK (I put that issue more on Hextall) we'd probably be at the top if the division.

Answer me this, did any of you expect this team to be 3rd in the division at this point of the season? The honest answer is no and if you don't think some good coaching played a part in that than you're just being thick skulled.

- EducatedOpinion



Not only are they in 3 but only 2 points out of second and first place is even in view at 5 back.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:48 PM ET
JJ and Bill are just a bit too excited by Coots and the Bone Bruise.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 16 @ 9:49 PM ET
coaches get too much blame and credit

like the president. not just this one. all of them

we're in playoff position. everyone needs to relax
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
Don't mean to pick on you (you just happen to be the first to respond), but the female doging about Hak reminds me very much of certain Eagle fans with Doug P last year. Do I like the 4th line being out there with one minute left? No. However, the goal against was an icing so to blame the coach is ridiculous. And if this team had competent PK (I put that issue more on Hextall) we'd probably be at the top if the division.

Answer me this, did any of you expect this team to be 3rd in the division at this point of the season? The honest answer is no and if you don't think some good coaching played a part in that than you're just being thick skulled.

- EducatedOpinion


He’s not a bad coach overall and I give him huge props for moving G to wing and putting Provy and Ghost together, but his late game usage and his overuse of Filppula is more than worthy of criticism. Hell, Stevie Wonder can see that Filppula has lost a step and his line is awful.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
guy hasnt had an original thought in his life
- wcorvette


Nor his latest lackey.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Feb 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
JJ and Bill are just a bit too excited by Coots and the Bone Bruise.
- opeth_pa



I thought that was like the one bone you couldnt bruise. On second thought, I'll just defer to the medical experts on this board.
Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AB
Joined: 11.20.2006

Feb 16 @ 9:50 PM ET
The negative culture that permeates this thread is really sad and pathetic. Read the last 3 pages or so. Hey, the Flyers played a solid game and really played well enough to win the game in regulation. Bobrovsky made some great saves on grade A chances for the Flyers. They gave up one goal in regulation. Neuvirth played a solid game and the Flyers got 2 points on the road! All is good.
- MJL

MJL It is a thread for opinions so let people have an opinion, that is what makes it interesting. If you don't like it feel free to exit. I know about 30 guys that would not be too disappointed.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 16 @ 9:51 PM ET
MJL It is a thread for opinions so let people have an opinion. If you don't like it feel free to exit. I know about 30 guys that would not be too disappointed.
- Daceroni

❤️
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:51 PM ET
Don't mean to pick on you (you just happen to be the first to respond), but the female doging about Hak reminds me very much of certain Eagle fans with Doug P last year. Do I like the 4th line being out there with one minute left? No. However, the goal against was an icing so to blame the coach is ridiculous. And if this team had competent PK (I put that issue more on Hextall) we'd probably be at the top if the division.

Answer me this, did any of you expect this team to be 3rd in the division at this point of the season? The honest answer is no and if you don't think some good coaching played a part in that than you're just being thick skulled.

- EducatedOpinion


You don't need to apologize for calling out some of the ridiculous opinions being offered. You're correct to do so. Lehtera and Filppula are seeing ice time late because of their veteran experience and are reliable defensively. If I can't have Couturier out there and he can't play every shift, no issue with Fillpula and Lehtera late in games with a lead.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Feb 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
You don't need to apologize for calling out some of the ridiculous opinions being offered. You're correct to do so. Lehtera and Filppula are seeing ice time late because of their veteran experience and are reliable defensively. If I can't have Couturier out there and he can't play every shift, no issue with Fillpula and Lehtera late in games with a lead.
- MJL

Elephant in the room WEISE did you forget him
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
MJL It is a thread for opinions so let people have an opinion, that is what makes it interesting. If you don't like it feel free to exit. I know about 30 guys that would not be too disappointed.
- Daceroni


Most of us just have fun with the poop we post, and hell even if some of it is a bit negative it’s only in good fun.

The crying lately over how sad, ridiculous and pathetic the board is, is just weird.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
MJL It is a thread for opinions so let people have an opinion. If you don't like it feel free to exit. I know about 30 guys that would not be too disappointed.
- Daceroni


Does that statement include myself and am I allowed to have an opinion? I don't think I have the power to stop people from having an opinion. If you don't like my opinion you also have the ability to follow your own advice.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
The negative culture that permeates this thread is really sad and pathetic. Read the last 3 pages or so. Hey, the Flyers played a solid game and really played well enough to win the game in regulation. Bobrovsky made some great saves on grade A chances for the Flyers. They gave up one goal in regulation. Neuvirth played a solid game and the Flyers got 2 points on the road! All is good.
- MJL



sad and pathetic?

Maybe we should just all have happy thoughts and not make it a discussion. I would rather have people call out the mistakes they see or think they see instead of state the obvious.

of course it was a good game, of course Bob is the only reason it was close and of course it was a mistake to have Flip on the ice.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 16 @ 9:54 PM ET
Ahh there it is.

Ridiculous opinions. Ban hammer will be looming again soon enough. The rage is building.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 9:55 PM ET
Does that statement include myself and am I allowed to have an opinion? I don't think I have the power to stop people from having an opinion. If you don't like my opinion you also have the ability to follow your own advice.
- MJL



it does and you should but when you describe folks as sad and pathetic, you go beyond just opinion.
EducatedOpinion
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 10.11.2013

Feb 16 @ 9:55 PM ET
He’s not a bad coach overall and I give him huge props for moving G to wing and putting Provy and Ghost together, but his late game usage and his overuse of Filppula is more than worthy of criticism. Hell, Stevie Wonder can see that Filppula has lost a step and his line is awful.
- BiggE

Ha, you won't find me defending the Filp usage. One point I will make, though, is that from the all star break until around mid March we're just about playing a game every other day. Is it possible he's trying to avoid over using key guys in any one game during this key stretch? Doesn't excuse using the 4th line in the final minute, but I'm fine with using them at the 5 and 3 minute mark.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:57 PM ET
Don't mean to pick on you (you just happen to be the first to respond), but the female doging about Hak reminds me very much of certain Eagle fans with Doug P last year. Do I like the 4th line being out there with one minute left? No. However, the goal against was an icing so to blame the coach is ridiculous. And if this team had competent PK (I put that issue more on Hextall) we'd probably be at the top if the division.

Answer me this, did any of you expect this team to be 3rd in the division at this point of the season? The honest answer is no and if you don't think some good coaching played a part in that than you're just being thick skulled.

- EducatedOpinion

Complaining about end game usage doesn't mean I don't think there's some good coaching at work. Just because I female dog about how many looks he gives the slugs doesn't mean I or anyone else here absolves him from everything he's done well.

He's done some gutsy, good things. Moving Patrick up recently was gutsy because it was pretty hasty after only a handful of good games. Worked out. G to the wing. Gutsy. Solid. Coots to 1C. Moving Jake down to distribute scoring. Juggling D pairs to find Ghost and Provy.

He's done good things. But putting out 3 of some of the worst 5v5 players in the entire league to protect a one goal lead in the final 3 minutes against a division opponent in the thick of the playoff race is boneheaded. Then look what happened? It led to an icing and a goal. That is a bad matchup and the coach deserves criticism. This team is in a playoff position and playing well. And that's great and very exciting and I love watching this team win. BUT if you roll Filppula out there for 15+ minutes and Lehtera and Weise for 10, you're going to get rolled in the playoffs. Not that I'm expecting them to compete for the Cup or anything, but it's almost like seeing a bad habit develop. It's concerning to some extent.

I don't understand how these boards have to be so black and white. It's insane. People don't get the fact that there are many decisions coaches have to make, and criticizing a coach on one of the DOES NOT MEAN I think he is atrocious in all aspects of coaching.

Or, dare I say it, just because some people think Elliot's usage might have contributed to his injury DOES NOT MEAN his injury was directly caused by "overuse" and only that, 100%.

Good night. Let's go watch skiing.
Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AB
Joined: 11.20.2006

Feb 16 @ 10:00 PM ET
Does that statement include myself and am I allowed to have an opinion? I don't think I have the power to stop people from having an opinion. If you don't like my opinion you also have the ability to follow your own advice.
- MJL

Of course it does but you continuously call people out for their opinion and want to argue that your statements are always correct. It just gets tiring to read over and over. We are all diehard Flyers fans so this discussion is for everyone pros and cons included.
The_Journeyman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Joined: 02.13.2015

Feb 16 @ 10:01 PM ET
Flyers won on the road in overtime. They looked pretty good for a majority of the game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 16 @ 10:01 PM ET
sad and pathetic?

Maybe we should just all have happy thoughts and not make it a discussion. I would rather have people call out the mistakes they see or think they see instead of state the obvious.

of course it was a good game, of course Bob is the only reason it was close and of course it was a mistake to have Flip on the ice.

- wcorvette


Yes when the vibe is overwhelmingly negative and most of the posts are criticizing the coach and focused on who is on the ice late rather than focusing on the results and a huge win on the road against a division opponent, I find that sad and pathetic.
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