I think bith those guys make too much money, gotta b a simpler solution
- Jordy8

Plekanec would be super cheap come deadline day especially with even just slight retention.

Plekanec would be super cheap come deadline day especially with even just slight retention.
- Feds91Stammer

True. I'd even give them Hunwick if they wanted.

Hunwick for Daley, Feds?

True. I'd even give them Hunwick if they wanted.

Hunwick for Daley, Feds?
- Barnaby36

Deal

Deal
- Feds91Stammer

Daley > Hunwick no doubt but the problem here is money and term.

Daley > Hunwick no doubt but the problem here is money and term.
- Barnaby36

Term is the same. They both suck. I will gladly take the 900k savings.

Yeah I agree the PP% can sometimes be skewed like you said. But what I was getting at (and Tojo made it clearer) is you can't just look at Hornqvist pts/60 on the PP versus Gentzals because Hornqvist does more on the PP than just gets points.
- willi

Definitely true, that was why I was looking at the production of all 5 players on the ice. naturalstattrick.com has a really cool line tool where you can construct a line and see their production throughout the season at various strengths (5v5, 4v4, PP, PK).

Definitely true, that was why I was looking at the production of all 5 players on the ice. naturalstattrick.com has a really cool line tool where you can construct a line and see their production throughout the season at various strengths (5v5, 4v4, PP, PK).
- j.boyd919

With PP being relatively small samples it is also probably best to look at CF60 and HDCF60 more so than GF60

Definitely true, that was why I was looking at the production of all 5 players on the ice. naturalstattrick.com has a really cool line tool where you can construct a line and see their production throughout the season at various strengths (5v5, 4v4, PP, PK).
- j.boyd919

Thanks, that is a useful tool. And if I'm reading it correct, the team has played 43 minutes on the PP without Kessel, Geno, Sid, Horny and Letang on the ice and have scored just 1 goal.

So.... Just to confirm. It sounds like Rutherford definitely commented that he's willing to mortgage to future to win now.

FWIW... Tiops said Sprong and our first is on the table. He also says Gustavsson is not. Again, FWIW.

TIOPS reporting the Pens are very much ready to move their 1st or Sprong for the right player.

Brassard seems to be the big target, but that things won't happen until right up to the deadline.

Remember: I'm just relaying info from TIOPS. Don't shoot the messenger.

Thanks, that is a useful tool. And if I'm reading it correct, the team has played 43 minutes on the PP without Kessel, Geno, Sid, Horny and Letang on the ice and have scored just 1 goal.
- willi

Here's what came up for me, looked like 3 goals in 34 minutes on mine.

So.... Just to confirm. It sounds like Rutherford definitely commented that he's willing to mortgage to future to win now.

FWIW... Tiops said Sprong and our first is on the table. He also says Gustavsson is not. Again, FWIW.
- madmike71

JYNX!

Here's what came up for me, looked like 3 goals in 34 minutes on mine.
- j.boyd919

I meant without any of the top 5 being on the ice they have scored just 1 goal

It was the very last line on the bottom

I meant without any of the top 5 being on the ice they have scored just 1 goal

It was the very last line on the bottom
- willi

OOH my bad. I misread that, I thought you were talking just about Horny. Yeah, Pens 2nd PP unit sucks lol but who cares when the top one is so lethal and plays 80% of the PP. lol

OOH my bad. I misread that, I thought you were talking just about Horny. Yeah, Pens 2nd PP unit sucks lol but who cares when the top one is so lethal and plays 80% of the PP. lol
- j.boyd919

Are there really any 2nd units in the league that are good though?

So on the real, if the Pens did acquire someone on the level of Brassard, who do you guys think comes out of the lineup, Reaves or Kuhn?

Simon-Sid-Rust/Sheary
Hagelin-Geno-Hornqvist
Guentzel-Brassard-Kessel
Kuhn-Sheahan-Reaves

This basically means that Rust and/or Sheary would have to play 4th line minutes which from a depth standpoint is great even though it's kind of a waste.

That would be a nice problem to have.

So on the real, if the Pens did acquire someone on the level of Brassard, who do you guys think comes out of the lineup, Reaves or Kuhn?

Simon-Sid-Rust/Sheary
Hagelin-Geno-Hornqvist
Guentzel-Brassard-Kessel
Kuhn-Sheahan-Reaves

This basically means that Rust and/or Sheary would have to play 4th line minutes which from a depth standpoint is great even though it's kind of a waste.

That would be a nice problem to have.
- Rinosaur

Someone would have to go the other way to make the cap work wouldn't they?

So on the real, if the Pens did acquire someone on the level of Brassard, who do you guys think comes out of the lineup, Reaves or Kuhn?

Simon-Sid-Rust/Sheary
Hagelin-Geno-Hornqvist
Guentzel-Brassard-Kessel
Kuhn-Sheahan-Reaves

This basically means that Rust and/or Sheary would have to play 4th line minutes which from a depth standpoint is great even though it's kind of a waste.

That would be a nice problem to have.
- Rinosaur

What are you offering for Brassard?

So.... Just to confirm. It sounds like Rutherford definitely commented that he's willing to mortgage to future to win now.

FWIW... Tiops said Sprong and our first is on the table. He also says Gustavsson is not. Again, FWIW.
- madmike71

Dont take this as saucy, because I really dont know and never follow them, but have they ever been right about anything?

Are there really any 2nd units in the league that are good though?
- Rinosaur

Probably not, which is why I said who cares hahaha

Dont take this as saucy, because I really dont know and never follow them, but have they ever been right about anything?
- MattStrat

No, that website is trash lol

I dunno if you guys listen to Spittin' Chiclets but they were ripping on Ek last week and how his rumors are hot garbage. It was pretty funny.

No, that website is trash lol

I dunno if you guys listen to Spittin' Chiclets but they were ripping on Ek last week and how his rumors are hot garbage. It was pretty funny.
- j.boyd919

That's why I wrote FWIW twice.

What are you offering for Brassard?
- Feds91Stammer

I don’t have a good answer, but IF the Pens are offering a first, I’m definitely not sending Sheary as well.

That's why I wrote FWIW twice.
- madmike71

I caught the double FWIW's....it was a legit questions though if they've ever nailed anything.

Brassard as 3C sounds too good to be true.....so, nah, it wont happen....