I honestly thought him taking a portion of a players salary to play somewhere else would never happen. But I guess you predicted that as well?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

general moves.

for this TDL, it's all about cost cutting. phanuef trade was cost cutting. pageau and hoffman will be too. maybe brassard as well.

then the summer panic will hit about signing duchene & karlsson and not having a 1st. offers for karlsson in the summer will be pennies on the dollar compared to right now. so the sens will panic and sign poopty ufa's to big money and sell off the future for a playoff push.

December will bring the same results as this year on the back of garbage goaltending.

very predictable at a high level.

Look Sens stole Phaneuf from Leafs and dumped a bunch of salaries at same time. No way Sens have the playoff run of last year without Phaneuf in their lineup. Kings will be serious contenders by adding Phaneuf to their top four.

Gaborik and Shore are bodies that help the Sens get through the remainder of the season. If other deals bring picks and prospects they will still need to ice a lineup. Assume both Gaborik and Shore are gone next year. Harpur has already been signed to a new deal.

If you have ever been on a construction site you know that a tear down can appear pretty messy and uncoordinated. But this deal does not stand alone. It will make a lot more sense when we see to next few moves.

The cutting loose of substantial money is always a key part of a rebuild.

Nah they gucci fam. Ceci is the back up plan to be Top Pair RHD if Karlsson leaves


- DDM-Coga

That would absolutely suck. 2019 1st overall pick to you then!

Btw, who was that - Garrioch?

general moves.

for this TDL, it's all about cost cutting. phanuef trade was cost cutting. pageau and hoffman will be too. maybe brassard as well.

then the summer panic will hit about signing duchene & karlsson and not having a 1st. offers for karlsson in the summer will be pennies on the dollar compared to right now. so the sens will panic and sign poopty ufa's to big money and sell off the future for a playoff push.

December will bring the same results as this year on the back of garbage goaltending.

very predictable at a high level.
- Tumbleweed

Huge if true.

Ranting is fine.

Honestly, most of it is good. It's the 5 or so bad apples that make you want to toss your computer out the window.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The most frustrating part for me is often the fans that are blinded by the "how amazing" the players are on our team... Dion is somewhat consistent but there's no way we "absolutely" lost this trade because we moved $7M/per year second pairing d-man

That would absolutely suck. 2019 1st overall pick to you then!

Btw, who was that - Garrioch?
- sportsdataguy

I believe so, I saw this went viral a few weeks ago. Its from some Athletic article

Look Sens stole Phaneuf from Leafs and dumped a bunch of salaries at same time. No way Sens have the playoff run of last year without Phaneuf in their lineup. Kings will be serious contenders by adding Phaneuf to their top four.

Gaborik and Shore are bodies that help the Sens get through the remainder of the season. If other deals bring picks and prospects they will still need to ice a lineup. Assume both Gaborik and Shore are gone next year. Harpur has already been signed to a new deal.

If you have ever been on a construction site you know that a tear down can appear pretty messy and uncoordinated. But this deal does not stand alone. It will make a lot more sense when we see to next few moves.

The cutting loose of substantial money is always a key part of a rebuild.
- spatso

The most frustrating part for me is often the fans that are blinded by the "how amazing" the players are on our team... Dion is somewhat consistent but there's no way we "absolutely" lost this trade because we moved $7M/per year second pairing d-man
- tryhard

Fan goggles exist with every fanbase. Likewise the hater goggles. But it is what it is.

Will be an interesting couple of weeks to see how Dorion can begin to fixed the cap crunch and depth outside the core going into the summer. The trade deadline is just the first step. The draft is another opportunity to make moves. People need to be patient.

Look Sens stole Phaneuf from Leafs and dumped a bunch of salaries at same time. No way Sens have the playoff run of last year without Phaneuf in their lineup. Kings will be serious contenders by adding Phaneuf to their top four.

Gaborik and Shore are bodies that help the Sens get through the remainder of the season. If other deals bring picks and prospects they will still need to ice a lineup. Assume both Gaborik and Shore are gone next year. Harpur has already been signed to a new deal.

If you have ever been on a construction site you know that a tear down can appear pretty messy and uncoordinated. But this deal does not stand alone. It will make a lot more sense when we see to next few moves.

The cutting loose of substantial money is always a key part of a rebuild.
- spatso

Everything is fine in spatso's world...just fine

The most frustrating part for me is often the fans that are blinded by the "how amazing" the players are on our team... Dion is somewhat consistent but there's no way we "absolutely" lost this trade because we moved $7M/per year second pairing d-man
- tryhard

The young guys need ice time. Brown, Formenton and and Batherson are all having great years and will push for for playing time next year.

In dealing Phaneuf, it says the Sens are looking for a lottery pick this year.

I am in the small minority that is okay with their dealing Karlsson as part of an overall rebuild. Tampa has a huge talent base and I would listen if Sergachev +++ are included in the package. Ottawa already knows Karlsson's answer on resigning and they get their best deal on him (if the deal him) next week.

Actually reading the comments on here, what a train wreck. Haters hating, Sens fans lost in what actually is going on, or the odd reasonable reasoning.

This is the first move of many that Dorion will make. It's a pretty lateral move on-ice wise, but gives a little more flexibility down the road. I'll wait until after the trade deadline to fully judge how Dorion made out. When you are trying to move out assets, you have to look at it all as a whole rather than piece by piece.

As for the the plan moving forward, I don't know what people expect. People say you can't move Dion cause of the contract, he is moved, and then people laugh or say it's a terrible move.

The plan moving forward is to try any retool and move out pieces that just will not work going forward. It does not happen overnight. The Dion trade was the first step. This isn't EA Sports NHL 18, where you just go on the trading screen and retool in 15 minutes. These things take time. There's many conversations. There's many factors that we have no idea about.

Fans and haters need to take a step back and just let the next couple of weeks unfold before ranting about picks, Karlsson, and rebuilding. After the trade deadline, there can be an assessment of how Dorion made out. The summer/draft will be another opportunity to assess.

Times suck right now, but at least the management/ownership has finally come to realize that significant moves will need to be made. This teams core is absolutely fine. You just need better supporting players that aren't getting paid an arm and a leg.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agree with pretty much everything you are saying here.

As much as I don't appreciate Euge's ownership (Bring back Cyril Leeder), I don't think he is the motivating factor in this deal.

We all know that the biggest impediment to future team development were the two big contracts that Dion and Ryan have. And we always knew that retaining salary was going to be part of any trade for either of them.

There are obviously more moves to come.

Getting Gaborik will, in a very small way, fill the goal scoring void that will be left when Hoffman is dealt for a boatload.

This re-tool (I hope) will take a year or two. By then Gaborik will truly be spent and his tenure will end sooner if the prospects we get in selling off assets develop quicker.

Now lets see what can be done about that Ryan contract.

I disagree. On paper we are a very good team. The problem is the system, ownership and having a GM with no vision.

We should be contending for a top 3 pick this year.... no point in giving that up.

I think some tweaking needs to be done but our team is much better then our record shows. Trading Hoffman, Duchene, Stone, Chabot, Karlsson, Dzingle, White, Brown, Formenton.

Trade guys like JGP, Smith, Oduya, Ceci, etc

Just a tweak not a rebuild
- Maverick1818

Well sure, but the key is being a very good team relative to other professional hockey teams

If you threw Mike Gartner in my men's league, he'd look like greatest player ever. But it doesn't mean he's ready to play for the Dallas Stars

Unfortunately, relative to (nearly all) other NHL teams, Ottawa is horrible

The young guys need ice time. Brown, Formenton and and Batherson are all having great years and will push for for playing time next year.

In dealing Phaneuf, it says the Sens are looking for a lottery pick this year.

I am in the small minority that is okay with their dealing Karlsson as part of an overall rebuild. Tampa has a huge talent base and I would listen if Sergachev +++ are included in the package. Ottawa already knows Karlsson's answer on resigning and they get their best deal on him (if the deal him) next week.
- spatso

lol.


brown and bratherson putting up points as 19 year-olds vs. 16 year-olds. and formenton is on a pretty average point a game pace. problem solved.

The most frustrating part for me is often the fans that are blinded by the "how amazing" the players are on our team... Dion is somewhat consistent but there's no way we "absolutely" lost this trade because we moved $7M/per year second pairing d-man
- tryhard

Except you didn't move $7M per year.

You took back (IMHO) an even worse contract, plus you retained 25% of Dion's cap hit.

You are basically saving $500,000 a year, except you now have Gaborik instead of Phaneuf.

Haterz gonna hate, but Dion can still play a little hockey.

Gabby? Not so much anymore.

What a terrible trade.

Sens Lose and LA Gains.....

Dion - A guy who is a very solid 2nd line D, brings leadership, mentor-ship, is great in the community, fits in with the team well.... The only bad thing about having him is his contract.

Thompson - a good 3rd-4th line guy who comes up with a few timely goals and is responsible in both ends of the rink and can be relied on.

LA Lose and Sens Gain.....

Gaborik - A washed up guy who is just as overpaid as Dion, can't skate anymore and from all passed teams brings no leadership.

Shore - a 4th line C who should be in the AHL

The trade is bad enough as is, but adding in that we retain 25% of Dion. PD better have something good coming, better not trade Duchene, Hoffman, Karlsson, Chabot or Stone.

He should be fired
- Maverick1818

This isn't true. Shore is a quality forward.

He's not going to score a ton of goals, but he's very effective at distributing the puck, and he's one of the best penalty killers on the team. He's not going to slot in your top six, but he definitely doesn't belong in the AHL. As someone who watched Thompson play in Anaheim quite a bit, Shore is an upgrade over Thompson.

I disagree. On paper we are a very good team. The problem is the system, ownership and having a GM with no vision.

We should be contending for a top 3 pick this year.... no point in giving that up.

I think some tweaking needs to be done but our team is much better then our record shows. Trading Hoffman, Duchene, Stone, Chabot, Karlsson, Dzingle, White, Brown, Formenton.

Trade guys like JGP, Smith, Oduya, Ceci, etc

Just a tweak not a rebuild
- Maverick1818

very good team?...on paper?

Oh boy...hugs buddy.

Except you didn't move $7M per year.

You took back (IMHO) an even worse contract, plus you retained 25% of Dion's cap hit.

You are basically saving $500,000 a year, except you now have Gaborik instead of Phaneuf.

Haterz gonna hate, but Dion can still play a little hockey.

Gabby? Not so much anymore.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dion is a slow, but serviceable, 2nd pairing D and a good teammate. Gabby is a 15g scorer who's an injury or two away from LTIR, which may be the best scenario. He and Lupul should hit the slopes together.

This isn't true. Shore is a quality forward.

He's not going to score a ton of goals, but he's very effective at distributing the puck, and he's one of the best penalty killers on the team. He's not going to slot in your top six, but he definitely doesn't belong in the AHL. As someone who watched Thompson play in Anaheim quite a bit, Shore is an upgrade over Thompson.
- tkecanuck341

pretty shore they brought him in to replace one of brassard/pagiroux

pretty shore they brought him in to replace one of brassard/pagiroux
- Tumbleweed

We just moved him out to make room for Bozak.

Look Sens stole Phaneuf from Leafs and dumped a bunch of salaries at same time. No way Sens have the playoff run of last year without Phaneuf in their lineup. Kings will be serious contenders by adding Phaneuf to their top four.

Gaborik and Shore are bodies that help the Sens get through the remainder of the season. If other deals bring picks and prospects they will still need to ice a lineup. Assume both Gaborik and Shore are gone next year. Harpur has already been signed to a new deal.

If you have ever been on a construction site you know that a tear down can appear pretty messy and uncoordinated. But this deal does not stand alone. It will make a lot more sense when we see to next few moves.

The cutting loose of substantial money is always a key part of a rebuild.
- spatso

Oh spatso.

Stole? The leafs unloaded a horrible contract.
you really didnt cut "substantial" money.
Unless you buy out Gabby...but then you are on the hook for him for years and phaneuf for 3 more.
Happy for Phaneuf.

We just moved him out to make room for Bozak.
- tkecanuck341

very good team?...on paper?

Oh boy...hugs buddy.
- Fakepartofme

I would tend to agree with him.
Having Stone, Karlsson, Hoffman and Duchense is a good start, The Leafs did basically the same thing in 2014. They Kept Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner and JVR (include Bozak if you want), they didnt sell off every stitch of talent and start over, and we are seeing the results of that.

The Leafs got lucky (won lottery) and they also hit on consecutive draft picks. The Sens have a bit more of a challenge having traded thier 1st though..that will sting

This isn't true. Shore is a quality forward.

He's not going to score a ton of goals, but he's very effective at distributing the puck, and he's one of the best penalty killers on the team. He's not going to slot in your top six, but he definitely doesn't belong in the AHL. As someone who watched Thompson play in Anaheim quite a bit, Shore is an upgrade over Thompson.
- tkecanuck341

I disagree with you there. but say Shore is an upgrade on Thompson, Dion is an upgrade over Gaborik. So the trade is a wash....

Except that we retained 25% of Dion.... So it's still a terrible trade for Ottawa.

I disagree with you there. but say Shore is an upgrade on Thompson, Dion is an upgrade over Gaborik. So the trade is a wash....

Except that we retained 25% of Dion.... So it's still a terrible trade for Ottawa.
- Maverick1818

We retain 25 % but still pay less

I would tend to agree with him.
Having Stone, Karlsson, Hoffman and Duchense is a good start, The Leafs did basically the same thing in 2014. They Kept Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner and JVR (include Bozak if you want), they didnt sell off every stitch of talent and start over, and we are seeing the results of that.

The Leafs got lucky (wont lottery) and they also hit on consecutive draft picks. The Sens have a bit more of a challenge having traded thier 1st though..that will sting
- senstroll

They have 4 good to great player(s)....one being great but under performing...or still injured.
Hardly a great team...even on paper.
Leafs werent a great team in 2014 either.