Guentzel should not be traded at all IMO.
- j.boyd919

I (frank)ing hope we didn't offer that. The Habs must have some really good poop on the table if that's real and they denied that.

Pacioretty is no prize

I just think it's the fact that he has more competent linemates, it'll help anyone succeed. Reaves is trash. Is/was he the main reason the Pens suck? Nah, but he's awful and definitely wasn't helping the cause.
- j.boyd919

Yeah obviously that, but I wasn't over the moon with him last playoffs when he was playing over Wilson either with good linemates like Cullen.

All I know is that my man crush on Kuhnhackl from 2016 is slowly coming back.

I (frank)ing hope we didn't offer that. The Habs must have some really good poop on the table if that's real and they denied that.
- Victoro311

As much as I like Pacioretty, I don't believe that move drastically improves the Pens. 25 points vs. 31 points. Guentzel is an RFA and Patches is a UFA after next season. That deal is horrendous for the Pens. I think he posted that it was a fake rumor.

Guentzel should not be traded at all IMO.
- j.boyd919

You have to give to get. Guentzel is not the 3C answer. I agree Hoffman is not the 3C answer either, but if Pens go with this, they have a better chance at winning some big playoff series!

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Hoffman-Geno-Hornqvist
Rust-Sheahan or new 3C-Phil
Kuhnhackl-Rowney/Sheahan/new 4C-sheary

You have to give to get. Guentzel is not the 3C answer. I agree Hoffman is not the 3C answer either, but if Pens go with this, they have a better chance at winning some big playoff series!

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Hoffman-Geno-Hornqvist
Rust-Sheahan or new 3C-Phil
Kuhnhackl-Rowney/Sheahan/new 4C-sheary
- so_buzz11

Hmmm... I do love the idea of Hoffman in a Pens uni... and he has one of the best releases in the NHL... I'd have to think long and hard about that. (I was referring more to the Pacioretty trade.) Honestly, I think I'd still pass. Guentzel is 23, Hoffman is 28. I'd rather keep Guentzel for the next 7 years than have Hoffman for the next 2 1/2. I think. I dunno, that's a tough one.

That's if you consider their 2 shootout wins as actual "goals" and 1 shootout loss as a "goal" because for some reason the NHL counts those as goals lol


- j.boyd919

Weird. Espn.com has them at +1, but I guess NHL would be a better source lol

There is zero chance the Pens are moving Jake unless it’s for a whale, and Pac is no whale anymore.

Jake is a 40+ point-getter that is costing them peanuts.

If they move him AND a 1st? JR should he shown the door immediately.

Hmmm... I do love the idea of Hoffman in a Pens uni... and he has one of the best releases in the NHL... I'd have to think long and hard about that. (I was referring more to the Pacioretty trade.) Honestly, I think I'd still pass. Guentzel is 23, Hoffman is 28. I'd rather keep Guentzel for the next 7 years than have Hoffman for the next 2 1/2. I think. I dunno, that's a tough one.
- j.boyd919

The next two seasons will see some real show time wingers go to UFA like Kane, Paccioretti, JVR, D. Sedin, Nash, Atkinson, Panarin, Skinner, Eberle, Duchene, Wheeler, etc...

Not all these guys will go to UFA, but looking at this I would bet money Kane, Nash and JVR will this year, and Paccioretti, Eberle, and Duchene will the year after that. I'd rather keep cost controlled Guentzel and go after a big fish winger with our excess cap space over the next two seasons than trade G for a more expensive winger with limited term now.

Weird. Espn.com has them at +1, but I guess NHL would be a better source lol
- Rinosaur

That's because in the general standings, SO wins garner the team 1 goal for and SO losses garner the teams 1 goal against, even on NHL.com if you look at their standings page (because it also helps for playoff tiebreaks, the number 4 tiebreaker is GF/GA, so they the NHL added more variables when it comes to standings) but if you look at team stats, they're even because they don't add the SO bs.

There is zero chance the Pens are moving Jake unless it’s for a whale, and Pac is no whale anymore.

Jake is a 40+ point-getter that is costing them peanuts.

If they move him AND a 1st? JR should he shown the door immediately.
- Rinosaur

GM's who just won back to back championships are simply not shown the door immediately over any trades or moves...

You have to give to get. Guentzel is not the 3C answer. I agree Hoffman is not the 3C answer either, but if Pens go with this, they have a better chance at winning some big playoff series!

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Hoffman-Geno-Hornqvist
Rust-Sheahan or new 3C-Phil
Kuhnhackl-Rowney/Sheahan/new 4C-sheary
- so_buzz11

Shouldn't give Jake though. Take away Hoffman's top PP time and the gap in scoring is almost non existent. One guy makes 5M, one guy makes near league minimum. With that salary, ability to play some center and kill penalties, Jake isn't a guy I'd be trying to move.

Hmmm... I do love the idea of Hoffman in a Pens uni... and he has one of the best releases in the NHL... I'd have to think long and hard about that. (I was referring more to the Pacioretty trade.) Honestly, I think I'd still pass. Guentzel is 23, Hoffman is 28. I'd rather keep Guentzel for the next 7 years than have Hoffman for the next 2 1/2. I think. I dunno, that's a tough one.
- j.boyd919

I doubt the Pens get Patches or Hoffman. I would be fine if the Pens keep Guentzel, but to make a run this year, I think the 3C spot is critical if a top 6 winger is not added.

The next two seasons will see some real show time wingers go to UFA like Kane, Paccioretti, JVR, D. Sedin, Nash, Atkinson, Panarin, Skinner, Eberle, Duchene, Wheeler, etc...

Not all these guys will go to UFA, but looking at this I would bet money Kane, Nash and JVR will this year, and Paccioretti, Eberle, and Duchene will the year after that. I'd rather keep cost controlled Guentzel and go after a big fish winger with our excess cap space over the next two seasons than trade G for a more expensive winger with limited term now.
- Victoro311

Yeah that's my outlook too. Keep G, Sheary, Sprong, Kessel, all those guys and add. I don't see trading away any of those guys as drastic improvements. Well.... hmm.. I might do Sprong for Hoffman...

I doubt the Pens get Patches or Hoffman. I would be fine if the Pens keep Guentzel, but to make a run this year, I think the 3C spot is critical if a top 6 winger is not added.
- so_buzz11

Personally I think Sheahan is fine at 3C if they can find a new 4C (Feds was saying Plekanec should be their number 1 target and I agree.) Plek's can be new 3c.. drop Sheahan down to 4c. But I'd be cool with Sheahan as 3C and Letestu as 4C.

I would still love to get Grabner in a Pens uni.

Yeah that's my outlook too. Keep G, Sheary, Sprong, Kessel, all those guys and add. I don't see trading away any of those guys as drastic improvements. Well.... hmm.. I might do Sprong for Hoffman...
- j.boyd919

We can probably add Simon to that list. He's not getting a significant pay raise anytime soon. Should get like a ~1 mil AAV 2 year bridge deal.

My heart still wants Rust here for a long time, but lets see how he values himself this offseason. I'd like to see a deal similar to Sheary's.

Personally I think Sheahan is fine at 3C if they can find a new 4C (Feds was saying Plekanec should be their number 1 target and I agree.) Plek's can be new 3c.. drop Sheahan down to 4c. But I'd be cool with Sheahan as 3C and Letestu as 4C.

I would still love to get Grabner in a Pens uni.
- j.boyd919

I agree with all of this.

Turtleneckanec would be a great 3C IMO.

With the emergence of Simon, improvement by Hagelin, and Guentzel, not to mention Sheary and Rust can slide over, do we really need to target a LW?

With the emergence of Simon, improvement by Hagelin, and Guentzel, not to mention Sheary and Rust can slide over, do we really need to target a LW?
- Tojo.

No. A good solid C would put them right over the edge but the way they have been playing (for the most part) for the last month or so, with current personnel, they'd be an extremely hard out in 7 games anyway.

At the very least, this resurgence in play will take pressure off GMJR to make moves...which means he will have more patience..which IMO is a good thing.

GM's who just won back to back championships are simply not shown the door immediately over any trades or moves...
- MattStrat

I was just trying to make a point of how bad an idea that is.

With the emergence of Simon, improvement by Hagelin, and Guentzel, not to mention Sheary and Rust can slide over, do we really need to target a LW?
- Tojo.

It'd be nice, but not super necessary. We should be singly focused on centers unless we can grab Kane for peanuts.

I was just trying to make a point of how bad an idea that is.
- Rinosaur

I have a horrible time catching your sarcasm and jokes man

I have a horrible time catching your sarcasm and jokes man
- MattStrat

You’re not the only one haha

No. A good solid C would put them right over the edge but the way they have been playing (for the most part) for the last month or so, with current personnel, they'd be an extremely hard out in 7 games anyway.

At the very least, this resurgence in play will take pressure off GMJR to make moves...which means he will have more patience..which IMO is a good thing.
- MattStrat

That's how I see us. If I might be so bold, I feel we should be the favorite to come out of the Metro. But to get through the ECF we need a center.

Sheahan at 3C and a new 4C, I feel we have a chance. Get a good 3C that bumps Sheahan to 4C, and this becomes a dominant team.

The Malkin and Sid lines are both lighting it up. The 3rd line has Kessel and Guentzel on it's wings and if that gets unlocked with a scoring center it would be impossible to match. And Sheahan and Rust on the 4th line is anotger mismatch and a 4th line you can legitimately put out against anyone.

That's how I see us. If I might be so bold, I feel we should be the favorite to come out of the Metro. But to get through the ECF we need a center.

Sheahan at 3C and a new 4C, I feel we have a chance. Get a good 3C that bumps Sheahan to 4C, and this becomes a dominant team.

The Malkin and Sid lines are both lighting it up. The 3rd line has Kessel and Guentzel on it's wings and if that gets unlocked with a scoring center it would be impossible to match. And Sheahan and Rust on the 4th line is anotger mismatch and a 4th line you can legitimately put out against anyone.
- Tojo.

The Domer line of Sheahan and Rust would be a cycling juggernaut. May not score a bunch but would be a female dog and a half for bottom six lines to compete against. Not gonna pretend it would be effective at shutting down top 6 lines, but it would shut down pretty much any bottom 6 caliber lines and take away depth scoring for the other team.