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lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jan 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
We need speed and he can’t score he fits The mold
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Making room for a deal im sure
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
I'd be fine with a straight swap, no money held by the Sabres and we'll throw in Fasching. But if the Sabres retained salary on Bogo and had a 4 mil cap hit on Boedker, they're making out terribly on that deal.

Plus SJ doesn't have a first this year, so it would likely be 2 seconds for Kane. Idk, that deal doesn't sound great

- jcragcrumple



id say maybe hold on retaining bogo's deal. I said in my post quoting him that they dont have the first so maybe you could get a prospect on the cusp of making it.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:20 PM ET
he would be really good on jack's wing


up tempo speed fits his game

- homiedclown



he'd get 20 keeping his stick on the ice
MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bay Area, CA
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:20 PM ET
We need a goalie other than ullmark.

Will we trade Kane for a goalie? Who knows.

My point the other day was the sabres should look at both desmith and jarry. Jbotts is familiar with them. It's not insider info, it seamed like common sense.

Everyone was talking about how Pittsburgh only has 1 or 2 prospects. Sprong and Matta.

I mentioned what appears to be a strong position for the Pens to trade away. GOALIE

A day or 2 later, Homie posts a good article saying that pittsburgh isn't trading those guys.

You are so sure about everything,

Our goaltending is a concern, we are in 30th place. With an ahl goalie moving up .

Where's your trade talk? Throw something out, instead of shooting down my senario.

- Boss34



We are in 30th place because our forwards and d-men are bad. We need to upgrade thre before we think about goaltending. Sure its a concern. But in my opinion we need at least 2 top 6 forwards and probably 2 top 4 d-men. Kane is our big trade piece and we need to fill those hole with whatever return we get.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:22 PM ET
he'd get 20 keeping his stick on the ice
- Sabresfan-365

make them throw in Jeremy Roy with something else
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jan 25 @ 12:22 PM ET
We just drafting a goaltender in the second round did people forget
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:23 PM ET
Making room for a deal im sure
- lulags

I don't like him, but I would claim him because

we are probably trading kane and pouliot

possibly girgens


he fills one of those slots for the last 30 games of this season and keeps a kid in rochester
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
We just drafting a goaltender in the second round did people forget
- GERBE!!!75PTS

ullmark, johansson and the kid keeps the pipeline full

plus you know they are probably drafting another one this summer
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:27 PM ET
now ek is throwing ror for hanifin out there
MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bay Area, CA
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:29 PM ET
ullmark, johansson and the kid keeps the pipeline full

plus you know they are probably drafting another one this summer

- homiedclown



Ullmark is their guy
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 25 @ 12:29 PM ET
now ek is throwing ror for hanifin out there
- homiedclown



Good I think ROR has an important role on the Sabres.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 25 @ 12:30 PM ET
id say maybe hold on retaining bogo's deal. I said in my post quoting him that they dont have the first so maybe you could get a prospect on the cusp of making it.
- Sabresfan-365



Depends what the retention is. If the trade example is Boedker, if the Sabres retained enough to where both deals are balanced out at say $4.65m and the Sabres had to throw in Fasching, i'd definitely do it. There are a ton of questions at Sabres LW, and he would add some speed

If it's Sabres retain 2 mil, that effectively makes Boedker's salary 6 million dollars, and that's detrimental imo
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:37 PM ET
Depends what the retention is. If the trade example is Boedker, if the Sabres retained enough to where both deals are balanced out at say $4.65m and the Sabres had to throw in Fasching, i'd definitely do it. There are a ton of questions at Sabres LW, and he would add some speed

If it's Sabres retain 2 mil, that effectively makes Boedker's salary 6 million dollars, and that's detrimental imo

- jcragcrumple



yeah if you're forced to retain that much you may be better off buying him out instead of adding another bad deal to the roster
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 12:40 PM ET
We are in 30th place because our forwards and d-men are bad. We need to upgrade thre before we think about goaltending. Sure its a concern. But in my opinion we need at least 2 top 6 forwards and probably 2 top 4 d-men. Kane is our big trade piece and we need to fill those hole with whatever return we get.
- MCGUIZZY



The sabres are in 30th mainly because they do not score enough and :

They do not limit the other team from scoring too much.

So basically
Not enough out of the forwards
Not enough out of the defense
Not enough out of the goaltending

Having ullmark and another young goalie would make me feel pretty comfortable about that current issue moving forward.

Most likely the sabres won't add a #1 , 2 or 3 defenseman for kane. Or a top 6 forward for him. Kane is a rental player who is cold.

If you are looking for a scoring winger why wouldn't a team add vanek for way less?

Also : I seriously doubt Teams are calling and asking to see kane play on a 3rd line. Especially with larson and pommenville. Borderline collusion.

Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
https://www.nhl.com/news/...2?tcid=tw_news_content_id


Kyrou is probably a guy they dangle for hoffman or pacioretty
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 12:46 PM ET
We just drafting a goaltender in the second round did people forget
- GERBE!!!75PTS


So we should see him as an nhl player in 2022?
It takes goalies a few years to develop.

Ullmark looks great in the ahl, I'd be thrilled if he was a true #1 for buffalo next year. He also had double hip surgery a few years back? Injuries happen and with the sabres recent lack of development from the ahl, it's hardly a lock.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
https://www.nhl.com/news/st-louis-blues-general-manager-doug-armstrong-not-interested-in-rentals/c-295056072?tcid=tw_news_content_id


Kyrou is probably a guy they dangle for hoffman or pacioretty

- Sabresfan-365

"On trading Shattenkirk to the Washington Capitals in February for forwards Zach Sanford and Brad Malone, a first-round pick in 2017 and conditional draft picks

"It was an interesting dynamic because we had a trade worked out with one team the summer before pending him signing a contract with them. And he wasn't completely comfortable with that."

I would like to know which team that was
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 25 @ 12:48 PM ET
remember 19-20 is probably a lost season, lock-out

Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
"On trading Shattenkirk to the Washington Capitals in February for forwards Zach Sanford and Brad Malone, a first-round pick in 2017 and conditional draft picks

"It was an interesting dynamic because we had a trade worked out with one team the summer before pending him signing a contract with them. And he wasn't completely comfortable with that."

I would like to know which team that was

- homiedclown



It was the oilers
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
remember 19-20 is probably a lost season, lock-out
- homiedclown



I doubt it's a full season unless owners try to scrap guaranteed contracts or NTCs
MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bay Area, CA
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
The sabres are in 30th mainly because they do not score enough and :

They do not limit the other team from scoring too much.

So basically
Not enough out of the forwards
Not enough out of the defense
Not enough out of the goaltending

Having ullmark and another young goalie would make me feel pretty comfortable about that current issue moving forward.

Most likely the sabres won't add a #1 , 2 or 3 defenseman for kane. Or a top 6 forward for him. Kane is a rental player who is cold.

If you are looking for a scoring winger why wouldn't a team add vanek for way less?

Also : I seriously doubt Teams are calling and asking to see kane play on a 3rd line. Especially with larson and pommenville. Borderline collusion.

- Boss34


Im a big fan of Ullmark and I think management is too. they speak very highly of him. I think he could be the started next season along with a back up signed over the summer. I would 100 times rather upgrade the team around him than to allocate assets for another goalie. Once Kane is gone it leaves a big hole on an offense that already needs help. The D-core is an absolute mess too. I dont think Kane will net nearly as big of a return as previously suggested. Instead I think you have an opportunity to add along with kane for a young forward with offensive upside or d-man that could slide into a 3-4 role. And also hopefully bring back a 2nnd or 1st round pick.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 25 @ 12:59 PM ET
Im a big fan of Ullmark and I think management is too. they speak very highly of him. I think he could be the started next season along with a back up signed over the summer. I would 100 times rather upgrade the team around him than to allocate assets for another goalie. Once Kane is gone it leaves a big hole on an offense that already needs help. The D-core is an absolute mess too. I dont think Kane will net nearly as big of a return as previously suggested. Instead I think you have an opportunity to add along with kane for a young forward with offensive upside or d-man that could slide into a 3-4 role. And also hopefully bring back a 2nnd or 1st round pick.
- MCGUIZZY


I agree with his value, not near what everyone wants or expects. In my opinion.

Not sure if we miss last 15 games ek9.

2 wins in a row

Ek9 2 hits and 2 shots 0 points.

Life's a bit harder without Eichel on his line

Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 1:01 PM ET
I agree with his value, not near what everyone wants or expects. In my opinion.

Not sure if we miss last 15 games ek9.

2 wins in a row

Ek9 2 hits and 2 shots 0 points.

Life's a bit harder without Eichel on his line

- Boss34



Kane for Sanheim straight up. Im not a huge fan but it's probably best short term and long term value they'll get
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
Kane for Sanheim straight up. Im not a huge fan but it's probably best short term and long term value they'll get
- Sabresfan-365


True or not, this was a hurtful comment. Keep the gloves up.

Kane for Sanheim and a 1st.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
True or not, this was a hurtful comment. Keep the gloves up.

Kane for Sanheim and a 1st.

- RhinoFan



lol what?

They do have 2 firsts this year (conditionally), maybe you could pry their first from them
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