They should go to the front of net and screen the goalie/chip in any loose pucks.
- Steven_Seagull

18 goals in 131 games playing with Matthews. Just not enough. A proper LW should be able to get 25 goals a year beside Matthews with his eyes closed. This is the same poop we did with Sundin. Hoglund, Renberg, Modin, Ponikarovsky, Antropov; 3rd liners with a prayer that Sundin could carry them on his back all year. It never worked.

Isn't it obvious... Come on, man.. Really?

Clearly, Hyman reminds Babcock of Tomas Holmstrom.
- PatC80

With zero of the PP capabilities.

18 goals in 131 games playing with Matthews. Just not enough. A proper LW should be able to get 25 goals a year beside Matthews with his eyes closed. This is the same poop we did with Sundin. Hoglund, Renberg, Modin, Ponikarovsky, Antropov; 3rd liners with a prayer that Sundin could carry them on his back all year. It never worked.
- Unholy_Goalie

Umm, someone should tell him that William Nylander also plays on Matthews line..

Brown also had and still has an insanely high unsustainable shooting percentage. And when he was on the Matthews line he didnt do anything.

Hyman works on that line, move on to an actual problem.

and Brown gets PP time
- Santo_44

Interesting stat:

Brown gets an average of 1:19 PP time per game.

Hyman gets an average of 10 seconds of PP time per game.

Brown also had and still has an insanely high unsustainable shooting percentage. And when he was on the Matthews line he didnt do anything.

Hyman works on that line, move on to an actual problem.

and Brown gets PP time
- Santo_44

Sometimes that's luck and sometimes it's because he knows how to (frank)ing shoot the puck. Maybe he can give Hyman some lessons.

18 goals in 131 games playing with Matthews. Just not enough. A proper LW should be able to get 25 goals a year beside Matthews with his eyes closed. This is the same poop we did with Sundin. Hoglund, Renberg, Modin, Ponikarovsky, Antropov; 3rd liners with a prayer that Sundin could carry them on his back all year. It never worked.
- Unholy_Goalie

What's even more baffling is how the Leafs hired Babcock, when clearly you have a better idea how to coach a hockey team.

Have you ever met James Tanner?

18 goals in 131 games playing with Matthews. Just not enough. A proper LW should be able to get 25 goals a year beside Matthews with his eyes closed. This is the same poop we did with Sundin. Hoglund, Renberg, Modin, Ponikarovsky, Antropov; 3rd liners with a prayer that Sundin could carry them on his back all year. It never worked.
- Unholy_Goalie

Agreed! ...jvr or marleau. .brown on an off wing?..should be able to achieve more

18 goals in 131 games playing with Matthews. Just not enough. A proper LW should be able to get 25 goals a year beside Matthews with his eyes closed. This is the same poop we did with Sundin. Hoglund, Renberg, Modin, Ponikarovsky, Antropov; 3rd liners with a prayer that Sundin could carry them on his back all year. It never worked.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh yeah?

so Nylanders 13 EVS goals beside Matthews last year and 6 EVS goals this year, 19 goals for the last two years is SO better than

Hymans 10 EVS goals last year and 8 EVS goals this year, for a total of 18 EVS goals

Wow, Nylander has one more goal playing next to Matthews! WTF is Babs doing??

Interesting stat:

Brown gets an average of 1:19 PP time per game.

Hyman gets an average of 10 seconds of PP time per game.
- Atomic Wedgie

2 PPG last year, 1 PPG this year, 29 EVG with many poop linemates.

Sometimes that's luck and sometimes it's because he knows how to (frank)ing shoot the puck. Maybe he can give Hyman some lessons.
- Unholy_Goalie

Uhhhhhhhh, sure if you are Stamkos or Laine you can have a 14-18% shooting percentage.............Not Brown. He isnt even close to being on their level

What's even more baffling is how the Leafs hired Babcock, when clearly you have a better idea how to coach a hockey team.

Have you ever met James Tanner?
- Atomic Wedgie

ya babs likes his lines with a least one grinder/defensively minded guy on a line with a goal scorer on the other side. .but when things get stale or not going in..why not try the most talented gets the call?..kadri hyman and Leo. .i think would make a great 3rd shut down line! ..but yeah your right. .that why they hired babs .and hopefully these players start showing more. .for him!

Oh yeah?

so Nylanders 13 EVS goals beside Matthews last year and 6 EVS goals this year, 19 goals for the last two years is SO better than

Hymans 10 EVS goals last year and 8 EVS goals this year, for a total of 18 EVS goals

Wow, Nylander has one more goal playing next to Matthews! WTF is Babs doing??
- Santo_44

I just don’t understand how he defends players like Duclair. Then again...Robbie Earl...

Oh yeah?

so Nylanders 13 EVS goals beside Matthews last year and 6 EVS goals this year, 19 goals for the last two years is SO better than

Hymans 10 EVS goals last year and 8 EVS goals this year, for a total of 18 EVS goals

Wow, Nylander has one more goal playing next to Matthews! WTF is Babs doing??
- Santo_44

Huge difference. Nylander is 21. Nylander at 25 will be scoring a lot more goals than he is now because he'll be stronger, faster, more experienced and just a better player overall. Nylander also puts up a lot more assists (almost double).

I just don’t understand how he defends players like Duclair. Then again...Robbie Earl...
- Steven_Seagull

Lets see if he mans up to being wrong here

Uhhhhhhhh, sure if you are Stamkos or Laine you can have a 14-18% shooting percentage.............Not Brown. He isnt even close to being on their level
- Santo_44

Even if his shooting percentage drops, it'd still be higher than Hyman's. He's just a better offensive player.

Huge difference. Nylander is 21. Nylander at 25 will be scoring a lot more goals than he is now because he'll be stronger, faster, more experienced and just a better player overall. Nylander also puts up a lot more assists (almost double).
- Unholy_Goalie

He is bigger and stronger this yeat and he is scoring less......dosn't matter though, It does not change the fact they scored the same amount on that line...end of story dude.

and OK wow here we go again

Nylander

2016 EVS=35 points
2017 EVS=26 points

Hyman

2016 EVS=28 points
2017 EVS=25 points

Nylander=61 points
Hyman=53 points

They are not that far off at all.........funny when you use actual stats instead of spewing bull poop, you can actually figure out why Babs does what he does.

Leafs have been scouting the baracudas...

He is bigger and stronger this yeat and he is scoring less......dosn't matter though, It does not change the fact they scored the same amount on that line...end of story dude.

and OK wow here we go again

Nylander

2016 EVS=35 points
2017 EVS=26 points

Hyman

2016 EVS=28 points
2017 EVS=25 points

Nylander=61 points
Hyman=53 points

They are not that far off at all.........funny when you use actual stats instead of spewing bull poop, you can actually figure out why Babs does what he does.
- Santo_44

Again, Nylander is 21, Hyman is 25. Hyman is likely as good as he's going to be. Nylander still has many years before he reaches his prime. And Nylander is still outperforming him. You trying to say that Hyman is as good as Nylander because it's obvious that Nylander is just getting started and Hyman is pretty much at his ceiling because his skill set is limited.

2016/17 Nylander ESG: 13
2016/17 Hyman ESG: 6

If you actually watch the games, you'll see Hyman is picking up a lot of passenger points because Matthews and Nylander are driving the play because it's obvious they have way more talent. It's also obvious that Hyman misses opportunities that Matthews and Nylander create for him that a more talented player would capitalize on.

Again, Nylander is 21, Hyman is 25. Hyman is likely as good as he's going to be. Nylander still has many years before he reaches his prime. And Nylander is still outperforming him. You trying to say that Hyman is as good as Nylander because it's obvious that Nylander is just getting started and Hyman is pretty much at his ceiling because his skill set is limited.

2016/17: Nylander ESG: 13
2016/17: Hyman ESG: 6

If you actually watch the games, you'll see Hyman is picking up a lot of passenger points because Matthews and Nylander are driving the play because it's obvious they have way more talent. It's also obvious that Hyman misses opportunities that Matthews and Nylander create for him that a more talented player would capitalize on.
- Unholy_Goalie

FFS

I am not trying to compare the two players.

You said Hyman should not play on that line because a "proper" winger should get 25 playing next to Matthews.

Meanwhile Hyman and Nyalnder have the same amount of goals on the Matthews line. And, I don't give a flying (frank) how old Nylander is. That is completely irrelevant in the argument we are having. Nylander is a 1st line winger at age 21. One who has the same amount of EVS goals as Hyman the least two years with Matthews.

He digs out pucks, plays hard and defends well. All that while scoring the same amount of goals on that line as Nylander. In fact he has more this year.

Your eyes are just glued to when he makes a mistake.

ffs plays die of Matthews stick too. But hey, you have shades that go over your eyes when anything goes against what you think so...

and dude, we disagree on Pageua....do you have to be that immature that you feel like you have to bring it up again when you get disagreed with?

*waits for UG to make Gudbranson comment*
- Santo_44

I think trading pageau may have some offensive upside yet.

Steen vs. Pageau

Points - Years after being drafted.

1 0 vs 0
2 0 vs 4
3 0 vs 2
4 45 vs 19
5 35 vs 43
6 42 vs 33
7 28 vs 15 (42 games)
8 47 vs ?

FFS

I am not trying to compare the two players.

You said Hyman should not play on that line because a "proper" winger should get 25 playing next to Matthews.

Meanwhile Hyman and Nyalnder have the same amount of goals on the Matthews line. And, I don't give a flying (frank) how old Nylander is. That is completely irrelevant in the argument we are having. Nylander is a 1st line winger at age 21. One who has the same amount of EVS goals as Hyman the least two years with Matthews.

He digs out pucks, plays hard and defends well. All that while scoring the same amount of goals on that line as Nylander. In fact he has more this year.
- Santo_44

Nylander had twice as many ESG last year.

And Nylander got 22 goals and 61 points as a 20 year old rookie. Him being 21 definitely matters. It means he's going to get better, as 22 will eventually become 30 and hopefully even more than that eventually. Hyman at 25, going on 26, considering his limited skills, isn't going to improve so his totals are disappointing while Nylander's are encouraging. One will continue to improve, the other will most likely not. Nylander belongs. Hyman does not.

Nylander is having a weaker year this year but that's to be expected. Young players don't generally have linear improvement but he definitely has the talent to recover and improve in the coming years. Hyman doesn't have that skill set.

And you keep talking about even strength, which is important, but another thing the 1st line LW should be, is good enough to play on the PP so he can take whatever chemistry he has 5 on 5 and put it to use with the PP. But again, Hyman isn't good enough for that and needs to be replaced so he can go down to the 3rd line where he belongs. And let's see if he scores even half of the goals and points on the 3rd line. Somehow, I doubt he does because he won't be getting carried like he is now.

I think trading pageau may have some offensive upside yet.

Steen vs. Pageau

Points - Years after being drafted.

1 0 vs 0
2 0 vs 4
3 0 vs 2
4 45 vs 19
5 35 vs 43
6 42 vs 33
7 28 vs 15 (42 games)
8 47 vs ?
- Tumbleweed

Yup

Now UG will say Steen has always sucked because it goes against his argument

but 3 days later will bring up Steen to use for his argument

FFS

I am not trying to compare the two players.

You said Hyman should not play on that line because a "proper" winger should get 25 playing next to Matthews.

Meanwhile Hyman and Nyalnder have the same amount of goals on the Matthews line. And, I don't give a flying (frank) how old Nylander is. That is completely irrelevant in the argument we are having. Nylander is a 1st line winger at age 21. One who has the same amount of EVS goals as Hyman the least two years with Matthews.

He digs out pucks, plays hard and defends well. All that while scoring the same amount of goals on that line as Nylander. In fact he has more this year.
- Santo_44

On the season:
Hyman is with Matthews for ~70% of his EV TOI.
Nylander is ~50%.


*This message brought to you by the coalition of people against Hyman being the top 6.

Yup

Now UG will say Steen has always sucked because it goes against his argument

but 3 days later will bring up Steen to use for his argument
- Santo_44

Nope. Pageau still sucks.

Yup

Now UG will say Steen has always sucked because it goes against his argument

but 3 days later will bring up Steen to use for his argument
- Santo_44

He uses this year’s stats when calling JVR a PP specialist. But uses stats from 2 seasons ago to defend Duclair. He picks and chooses what stats and what year to fit his argument. UG is Tanner: confirmed.