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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 23 @ 12:46 PM ET
This is what it was like... because you really want to know.

1) Coach Varsity never won anything anywhere. Why is he the coach?

2) Saint Ronnie is most over rated GM ever. Never done anything.

3) Giroux is not Captain material and is over the hill.

4) Couturier has absolutely no offensive upside. He sucks.

5) Should of traded Ghost when he had value.

Thats basically it.

- Doc_Sarcasm


Yowza. Yeah. I did not need to know that
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 12:47 PM ET
Yowza. Yeah. I did not need to know that

- AllInForFlyers


You did ask for it...
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 23 @ 12:54 PM ET
It's obvious to any informed eye that Manning is the better player right now. That's why he has been playing, and Sanheim isn't.
- MJL


So... You're saying Hexy is a bad GM that wasted a month of developing Sanheim, and should be fired.


False. Empirical evidence is Sanheim not getting any PP time. Why is that?
- MJL


Here we go again, using TOI as a basis for your point. In case you haven't noticed, I am not a fan of this coaching staff so using TOI is not going to sway me.

Sanheim likely did not receive any PP time due to being a rookie and making the adjustment to the NHL. Your beloved coaches may have seen giving Sanheim PP time may have been putting too much on his plate at the moment.

Since you have made this a Sanheim vs. Manning debate, I will reiterate my thoughts.

I believe Sanheim is the better player than Manning at the moment, but I will agree to disagree with you. For arguments sake, I will concede that Manning is better than Sanheim at this very moment to show my further point. Playing Manning over Sanheim will likely not be the difference between making the playoffs and not. Playing Sanheim would be the true upside tactic as he very well could iron out the kinks by the end of the regular season. Allowing him to do so during the regular season, could give the Flyers another game breaker on the backend for the playoffs.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 12:59 PM ET
He also seems much more reluctant to throw a big hit, which was one of his strengths (and weaknesses).
- jmatchett383

Don't worry, Provy has been honing in on his big hit skills, the hit on Tom Wilson during Sundays game was my second favorite moment of the game.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:01 PM ET
Don't worry, Provy has been honing in on his big hit skills, the hit on Tom Wilson during Sundays game was my second favorite moment of the game.
- SimmerDown


Another thing to consider, I don’t think anyone expected Hägg to be laying out so many hits. Has allowed Gudas to not be the lone wolf nor “the guy” that always has to do it. God I can’t wait for Morin
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
This is what it was like... because you really want to know.

1) Coach Varsity never won anything anywhere. Why is he the coach?

2) Saint Ronnie is most over rated GM ever. Never done anything.

3) Giroux is not Captain material and is over the hill.

4) Couturier has absolutely no offensive upside. He sucks.

5) Should of traded Ghost when he had value.

Thats basically it.

- Doc_Sarcasm


props
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
This is what it was like... because you really want to know.

1) Coach Varsity never won anything anywhere. Why is he the coach?

2) Saint Ronnie is most over rated GM ever. Never done anything.

3) Giroux is not Captain material and is over the hill.

4) Couturier has absolutely no offensive upside. He sucks.

5) Should of traded Ghost when he had value.

Thats basically it.

- Doc_Sarcasm


that's really the only important thing here.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
so they planned it

pathetic

- Streit2ThePoint


Eagles should've tanked this year so they could get first pick next year
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
Oh, ye of little faith.
- Doc_Sarcasm


that's my gut reaction right now. at the end of the season, i may feel otherwise.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
that's really the only important thing here.
- hammarby31




I thought that little gem was going to go unnoticed in the barrage of dumb that I unleashed in that post. I'm happy to see that you and scoob noticed.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:11 PM ET
The defense will develop fine, the plugs will continue to plug. This is what's important:


- SimmerDown17


i agree.

would have been nice to beat both of those teams in recent weeks for a little separation.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:11 PM ET
I thought that little gem was going to go unnoticed in the barrage of dumb that I unleashed in that post. I'm happy to see that you and scoob noticed.
- Doc_Sarcasm


quality does not go unrecognized
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:12 PM ET
I thought that little gem was going to go unnoticed in the barrage of dumb that I unleashed in that post. I'm happy to see that you and scoob noticed.
- Doc_Sarcasm


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:20 PM ET
quality does not go unrecognized
- Scoob


If you want to see quality, go check out the 3rd comment on Greenberg's latest blog. I'm not big on punctuation and grammar, but holy hell Batman!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:21 PM ET
So... You're saying Hexy is a bad GM that wasted a month of developing Sanheim, and should be fired.


- JFlyers00


No, I'm saying those that don't realize right now that Manning is a better player than Sanheim is don't know what they're looking at.




Here we go again, using TOI as a basis for your point. In case you haven't noticed, I am not a fan of this coaching staff so using TOI is not going to sway me.

Sanheim likely did not receive any PP time due to being a rookie and making the adjustment to the NHL. Your beloved coaches may have seen giving Sanheim PP time may have been putting too much on his plate at the moment.

Since you have made this a Sanheim vs. Manning debate, I will reiterate my thoughts.

I believe Sanheim is the better player than Manning at the moment, but I will agree to disagree with you. For arguments sake, I will concede that Manning is better than Sanheim at this very moment to show my further point. Playing Manning over Sanheim will likely not be the difference between making the playoffs and not. Playing Sanheim would be the true upside tactic as he very well could iron out the kinks by the end of the regular season. Allowing him to do so during the regular season, could give the Flyers another game breaker on the backend for the playoffs.

- JFlyers00


So your focus is on a maybe instead of the current reality. I can't say that's wrong anymore than you can say it's right. So it's a waste of time to debate that.

If the Flyers were more focused on the results over the process, I would suggest that they would be giving Sanheim PP time if that was the case. You made my argument for me. Until Sanheim's fundamental defensive game is where it needs to be they aren't going to give him the gravy so to speak. They want him to focus on playing the position and simplify his game. When he takes steps in those areas, then he'll get more responsibility. That's the process. The Flyers make young players earn it.

It's been the same with Konecny. His game has improve substantially away from the puck and in puck management this season. So he is rewarded with ice time on the top line. It's completely been a step by step process with Konecny and it now appears to be paying off lately.

It won't be the same with every player. Provorov was exceptional right out of the gate. Patrick, although he has struggled with his skating has been a sound player positionally and with the puck as a rookie which is why he has received PP time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
The decision of whether to play Brandon Manning or Travis Sanheim is the difference between the Flyers winning the Stanley Cup this year or finishing dead last in the NHL.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:26 PM ET
If you want to see quality, go check out the 3rd comment on Greenberg's latest blog. I'm not big on punctuation and grammar, but holy hell Batman!
- jmatchett383


my eyes hurt now
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 1:30 PM ET
Whatever happened to the days on NBC when they had the vapor trail follow the puck? Good times.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:34 PM ET
If the Flyers were more focused on the results over the process, I would suggest that they would be giving Sanheim PP time if that was the case. You made my argument for me. Until Sanheim's fundamental defensive game is where it needs to be they aren't going to give him the gravy so to speak. They want him to focus on playing the position and simplify his game. When he takes steps in those areas, then he'll get more responsibility. That's the process. The Flyers make young players earn it.

- MJL


There's a miscommunication here re: results vs process, and I'm not willing to spend anymore time on this. Good day
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:36 PM ET
Whatever happened to the days on FOX when they had the vapor trail follow the puck? Good times.
- SimmerDown

FTFY
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:37 PM ET
Ahhhh what a backread.

Attempting to address obvious issues while the team is playing well is a very sensitive subject for some of you apparently.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:37 PM ET
There's a miscommunication here re: results vs process, and I'm not willing to spend anymore time on this. Good day
- JFlyers00

SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 1:38 PM ET
FTFY
- dragonoffrost

TY
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:38 PM ET
TY
- SimmerDown


And (frank) NO I hated that thing
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:38 PM ET
It's been the same with Konecny. His game has improve substantially away from the puck and in puck management this season. So he is rewarded with ice time on the top line. It's completely been a step by step process with Konecny and it now appears to be paying off lately.
- MJL

I do remember you posting a lot about how Konecny has improved defensively and away from the puck and how you felt he should be playing on the top line.
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