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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:24 PM ET
I am not interested in basically any deal that trades away a player or asset younger than Coots for a player older than Coots
- YuenglingJagr


What if Connor McDavid hopped in his Delorean and came back next week at age 27?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:26 PM ET
What if Connor McDavid hopped in his Delorean and came back next week at age 27?
- jmatchett383


Then we have more exciting things to focus on than hockey trades
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 23 @ 3:26 PM ET
Would anyone be interested in E.Kane if buffalo took back Weiss? What would it cost? Stl 1, Conditional 2nd, Wade Allison, and Weiss.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Kane-Patrick-Voracek
Weal-Filppula-Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-Leire

I dont know.... I just think I like the idea of adding some "now" pieces to the team that can help balance the scoring. I also like the idea of putting Patrick with a very good playmaker and a good sniping winger that has grit. IMO Patrick just seems a fraction of a second behind a play or a fraction of a distance from making the right pass/shot. With time it should come, but adding guys like Voracek and Kane to his line would be awesome.

- youarewrong



Personally I would not be giving up anything of note prospect or pick wise for any UFA.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 3:28 PM ET
What if Connor McDavid hopped in his Delorean and came back next week at age 27?
- jmatchett383

would he also try to (frank) his mom?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:28 PM ET
I think Kane has grown up recently. I think he fits what the Flyers need, he will not be traded for a bag of pucks aka Weise.

recently he said he wanted to stay in Buffalo but no contract was offered.

get the right package, make the trade, he is only 26 but I dont think the right package well be there.

- wcorvette


So the Preds gave up a forward that was a 2nd round pick, a defenseman that was a 2nd round pick, and a 2nd round pick for Kyle Turris, a player that is signed for a long time.

So I think the package would be similiar with the exception of a 2nd round pick being a conditional pick whether he resigns or not. Weiss they would have to take more for money reasons and the fact they are getting a guarenteed 1st in a deep draft should be enough to pull that off. And Wade Allison is a 2nd round pick much like the guys going in the Turris deal.... IDK the deal seems fair both ways.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:30 PM ET
I would rather keep Allison, but if you swapped him out with another pick or prospect I would have interest. Pretty stacked top 9 and the guy can score. But always have to consider his locker room antics / off ice issues. Perhaps he has matured but who knows.

Edit: if we get Kane I think that automatically means we can’t resign Simmer

- arichardson22


Why not? I heard the cap is going up big-time. If we manage money right it shouldn't be a problem.

So I just did a bit of calculations... we could manage close to 72.6 Million if we can get away with giving Simmer and Kane 6.5 million. And that includes raises to guys like Provorov, Sanhiem, Konecny, etc. Also means letting go of Raffl for guys like Lindblom, and Rubtsov and letting go og Manning and Gudas for Morin.....
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 3:32 PM ET
Then we have more exciting things to focus on than hockey trades
- Nucker101

I think we are on the same page
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 3:40 PM ET
Cancerhits and scores
- Nucker101

If you mean his own teammates. On the plus side he does bring a lot of playoff experience with him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 3:42 PM ET
I am not familiar with anyone saying every player developed the same way. Sometimes the different path can be a skillset that is clearly NHL ready and given chances to succeed based on the players strengths (i.e. Sergachev)

Provorov has been from day one, one of the best defensemen on the roster. Who was going to play over him? Nothing about Provorov proves that the Flyers coach is committed to developing his players.


- JFlyers00


What Provorov proves is that the narrative that the Flyers won't play young players that some posters float is pure nonsense. Provorov and other young players earn ice time based on merit.



None of this is about Brandon Manning being more talented than Travis Sanheim. There isn't a world where he is (well, maybe a flat one) It is about the coach being more comfortable playing the "safer" Brandon Manning and favoring guys that play the way he does over guys that play the way Sanheim does. Call a spade a spade, don't pretend Manning is better.

ftfy

- JFlyers00



I don't need to pretend that Manning is better. He simply is right now. Hopefully that won't last long. Interesting that Hakstol has no issue playing Gostisbehere heavy minutes. Again, young players ice time is based on merit.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
I used to be a Evander Kane supporter in the early years of his career but since then everywhere hes been he has left a longer slug trail than a $5 hooker.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jan 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
Right i was saying I am glad and would have also protected Laughton and exposed PEB as they did
- nastyflyergirl


There is no way the Flyers made the right decision. They have a serious issue with how they evaluate pro level talent!
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 23 @ 3:46 PM ET
I think he has calmed down recently, no? I can't remember the last issue he had. And if that lowers the price on him, so be it.
- youarewrong


he got into a fight with a teammate at practice a few weeks ago. not sure who started it though.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jan 23 @ 3:47 PM ET
Ahhhh what a backread.

Attempting to address obvious issues while the team is playing well is a very sensitive subject for some of you apparently.

- Mordecai



FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 23 @ 3:48 PM ET

- jmatchett383


I miss Richards sometimes , was a great player for the O&B. Where do you guys think he stands all time for Flyers captains? One of the best?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
I miss Richards sometimes , was a great player for the O&B. Where do you guys think he stands all time for Flyers captains? One of the best?
- FreshFlyer

i think Ugandan Knuckles Richards edges him out
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 3:49 PM ET
i think Ugandan Knuckles Richards edges him out
- Mordecai

Richie knew da wae
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 3:51 PM ET
Richie knew da wae
- YuenglingJagr

*clucks endlessly*
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:52 PM ET
I miss Richards sometimes , was a great player for the O&B. Where do you guys think he stands all time for Flyers captains? One of the best?
- FreshFlyer


Well he's definitely after Clarke and Poulin. I'd put him after Lindros and Brind'Amour as well. I'd probably put him around Kevin Dineen and Keith Primeau. But for a short time, he seemed like Bobby Clarke reincarnated. I miss that player.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 3:52 PM ET
There is no way the Flyers made the right decision. They have a serious issue with how they evaluate pro level talent!
- Baxter27


Vegas' record is proof!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:52 PM ET
There is no way the Flyers made the right decision. They have a serious issue with how they evaluate pro level talent!
- Baxter27


Flyers gonna Flyer.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 23 @ 3:54 PM ET
Well he's definitely after Clarke and Poulin. I'd put him after Lindros and Brind'Amour as well. I'd probably put him around Kevin Dineen and Keith Primeau. But for a short time, he seemed like Bobby Clarke reincarnated. I miss that player.
- jmatchett383


I'd go with this:

Clarke
Poulin
Lindros
Richards
Primeau
Brindy
Giroux

Don't see a lot of players, give it their all and play with the heart he played with. Giroux also could easily jump to second on this list depending on the remainder of his career.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
I'd go with this:

Clarke
Poulin
Lindros
Richards
Primeau
Brindy
Giroux

Don't see a lot of players, give it their all and play with the heart he played with. Giroux also could easily jump to second on this list depending on the remainder of his career.

- FreshFlyer


I think Brindy was a much better give it their all guy. Richards had a lot of games that he coasted through, probably because of the toll his style took on his body. Also, if we're taking off-ice issues into account, he's definitely behind Primeau, Brindy, and Dineen.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 23 @ 4:00 PM ET
What Provorov proves is that the narrative that the Flyers won't play young players that some posters float is pure nonsense. Provorov and other young players earn ice time based on merit.





I don't need to pretend that Manning is better. He simply is right now. Hopefully that won't last long. Interesting that Hakstol has no issue playing Gostisbehere heavy minutes. Again, young players ice time is based on merit.

- MJL


How did you know YJ is my alt?

Edit: Ghost's career thus far has been the poster child for this coaching staff valuing results over process.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
Richie knew da wae
- YuenglingJagr

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 23 @ 4:06 PM ET
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