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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:39 PM ET
Ahhhh what a backread.

Attempting to address obvious issues while the team is playing well is a very sensitive subject for some of you apparently.

- Mordecai


let's discuss doug jarvis' ironman streak.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:40 PM ET
let's discuss doug jarvis' ironman streak.
- hammarby31


Or maybe Andrew Cogliano's and why it was right for the NHL to suspend him even though it ended his streak...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:41 PM ET
That's confusing evaluation with need. Unfortunately right now the Flyers need to place Hagg in tough defensive situations due to the team depth. It would be far better for a player like Hagg to break in playing a somewhat sheltered 3rd pair role but the Flyers right now need more until they can develop a better overall defense corps.
- MJL


They don't need to play him with another dman who struggles in the possession game. That's a choice, and a bad one.

They could quite easily pair him with Gudas.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:43 PM ET
False. Empirical evidence is Sanheim not getting any PP time. Why is that?
- MJL


Why indeed, when you have 1 PP point total from the 59 combined PP minutes given to Lehtera, Weise and Manning.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
Ahhhh what a backread.

Attempting to address obvious issues while the team is playing well is a very sensitive subject for some of you apparently.

- Mordecai



My favorite part is how you would think that a team playing well and goalies performing well (even during some defensive breakdowns) would be a good situation for a player adapting to the league to come in and rub off some of that green.

Without getting into a debate on whether Manning is playing better than Sanheim or not, using playing time in an argument is completely bogus because it is a clear result of the coaches thinking he is better than he is. If Manning were a 6/7 like he should be, there would be no issue. He was getting PP2 time. He was playing top 4 minutes.

I think he was actually playing better (relative to himself) during the 10 game losing streak
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
let's discuss doug jarvis' ironman streak.
- hammarby31

do you have a moment to talk about Jesus Christ our lord and savior?
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 23 @ 1:47 PM ET
And (frank) NO I hated that thing
- dragonoffrost

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:47 PM ET

It won't be the same with every player. Provorov was exceptional right out of the gate.

- MJL


No, he wasn't.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
I think I would've started Neuvirth tonight
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
No, he wasn't.
- Feanor


Chicago....
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Jan 23 @ 1:48 PM ET


My favorite part is how you would think that a team playing well and goalies performing well (even during some defensive breakdowns) would be a good situation for a player adapting to the league to come in and rub off some of that green.

Without getting into a debate on whether Manning is playing better than Sanheim or not, using playing time in an argument is completely bogus because it is a clear result of the coaches thinking he is better than he is. If Manning were a 6/7 like he should be, there would be no issue. He was getting PP2 time. He was playing top 4 minutes.

I think he was actually playing better (relative to himself) during the 10 game losing streak

- YuenglingJagr


Good luck.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:49 PM ET
I'll say this, if you watch these games and think in any facet that players like Manning and Lehtera getting the ice time they are isn't a problem, then you arent watching the games properly.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
I do remember you posting a lot about how Konecny has improved defensively and away from the puck and how you felt he should be playing on the top line.
- YuenglingJagr


Konecny also got 118 PP minutes as a 19 year old rookie, so this notion that PP time only goes to young players who have proved themselves defensively is nonsense. When exactly did Konecny's "fundamental defensive game" get "where it needs to be"? Because he got PP2 time right away in 16-17.

This season Patrick has struggled more than Sanheim, but he's on PP2 almost every game.
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Jan 23 @ 1:53 PM ET
Konecny also got 118 PP minutes as a 19 year old rookie, so this notion that PP time only goes to young players who have proved themselves defensively is nonsense. Patrick has struggled more than Sanheim, but he's on PP2 almost every game.
- Feanor


Well to be fair, TK doesn't play defense.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:54 PM ET
Its a tough spot because since that 10 game winless streak the team , based on record, has been one of the top teams in the league which is what has gotten them back into the race.

I dont have an issue with trying to win now and the understanding that Hak might feel Manning is a safer choice right now then Sanheim.

If that same approach is taken next season different story though.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
Its a tough spot because since that 10 game winless streak the team , based on record, has been one of the top teams in the league which is what has gotten them back into the race.

I dont have an issue with trying to win now and the understanding that Hak might feel Manning is a safer choice right now then Sanheim.

If that same approach is taken next season different story though.

- opeth_pa

The issue isn't that Manning is a safer choice.

The issue is that Sanheim does so many more good things when he's out on the ice. You just notice the miscues more because of the way he plays the game. But his numbers have been so solid. He moves the puck up the ice and makes his teammates better.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
do you have a moment to talk about Jesus Christ our lord and savior?
- YuenglingJagr


I'm always up for discussing Mike Richards.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
I'm always up for discussing Mike Richards.
- jmatchett383

he won two cups for our sins
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
he won two cups for our sins
- YuenglingJagr


Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 23 @ 2:14 PM ET
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 2:19 PM ET
There's a miscommunication here re: results vs process, and I'm not willing to spend anymore time on this. Good day
- JFlyers00


No not really. I'm discussing the only process that matters.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 2:20 PM ET
I do remember you posting a lot about how Konecny has improved defensively and away from the puck and how you felt he should be playing on the top line.
- YuenglingJagr


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 2:21 PM ET
They don't need to play him with another dman who struggles in the possession game. That's a choice, and a bad one.

They could quite easily pair him with Gudas.

- Feanor


MacDonald is a better choice for the role they are playing the pairing in. There is no perfect lineup for the Flyers defense right now.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 23 @ 2:21 PM ET
Its a tough spot because since that 10 game winless streak the team , based on record, has been one of the top teams in the league which is what has gotten them back into the race.

I dont have an issue with trying to win now and the understanding that Hak might feel Manning is a safer choice right now then Sanheim.

If that same approach is taken next season different story though.

- opeth_pa


Gudas made an comment when Manning came back from injury, something like, it is different with Manning, I have to do more teaching on the ice with Travis. I would think that had some influence on Haks decision.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Why indeed, when you have 1 PP point total from the 59 combined PP minutes given to Lehtera, Weise and Manning.
- Feanor


That's a fair point but that's the way the Flyers are going to handle young players. I agree with them.
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