No way, Scotty Bowman possesses in his like pinky more hockey knowledge than actual NHL organizations.
- BetweenTheDots

Scotty goes back to the days before they invented ice.

Does Kane want to go through a rebuild? I doubt it. Look for him to request a trade this summer. This mess can not be fixed.

Does Kane want to go through a rebuild? I doubt it. Look for him to request a trade this summer. This mess can not be fixed.
- TJYTJY

First, I don't think this is mess that cannot be fixed.

Second, I think we're overlooking the fact that some players may actually have loyalty to a club and want to play here even if the team isn't winning. It's not uncommon, it's happened around the league often. Don't forget that players also consider their working conditions and support staff. Chicago spends more in these areas than most NHL teams.

Scotty goes back to the days before they invented ice.
- Savoy

I have never liked Scotty since 1992 when he was behind the bench with the Penguins. He is the reason the team is in the shape it is now. With all his history with Montreal and Detroit, why would he want to help another original 6 team?

Without the Bowmans we would of been lucky to win 1 Stanley Cup, would won none if Savard was still the coach
- BetweenTheDots

No one can ever prove or deny your statement, I'd say they were a great help but not the overall reason....

Not debating that, but he is 84 years old. My great uncle is 83 years old, and he should not be a voice of reason for any organization. And is it really Scotty that is calling the shots? I find that VERY hard to believe. It's Stanley's team and it's not a good team.
- EnzoD

That's not entirely fair, he has traded many assets away to build a championship team, and now he's handcuffed because he basically has to build a Stanley Cup team with only $40 million dollars? Please what a short memory some have

No one can ever prove or deny your statement, I'd say they were a great help but not the overall reason....
- riozzo

If Savard was coaching this team in 2010 there would of been no Stanley Cup he was that bad

Blame Rocky, McD, Bowman(s), Q, Toews, Seabs, Crow, Kane.

Blame them for 3 cups in 7 years and a ton of the most exciting Blackhawk hockey in our lifetime (I am 60).

Blame them because we have not been in the finals or cup winners every year since 2010.

Blame them because they are dumb, lazy and the game has past them by.

Demand their heads, because there are so many other sterling candidates out there to replace them and that will be an immediate fix.

We know this because we have seen how easy it is to win championships in all sports in Chicago. We know from history that changing championship winning GM's, coaches, and top players leads to immediate success.

How did I do Darth?

That's not entirely fair, he has traded many assets away to build a championship team, and now he's handcuffed because he basically has to build a Stanley Cup team with only $40 million dollars? Please what a short memory some have
- BetweenTheDots

Perspective,thanks.

Blame Rocky, McD, Bowman(s), Q, Toews, Seabs, Crow, Kane.

Blame them for 3 cups in 7 years and a ton of the most exciting Blackhawk hockey in our lifetime (I am 60).

Blame them because we have not been in the finals or cup winners every year since 2010.

Blame them because they are dumb, lazy and the game has past them by.

Demand their heads, because there are so many other sterling candidates out there to replace them and that will be an immediate fix.

We know this because we have seen how easy it is to win championships in all sports in Chicago. We know from history that changing championship winning GM's, coaches, and top players leads to immediate success.

How did I do Darth?
- -Doh-

I think we need to get away from the mind-set that the line needs to have size to be effective. Look at Tampa, they have a line of Kucherov-Point-Johnson and Kucherov is the tallest at 5'11". Their third line is Killorn-Peca-Gourd - the last 2 guys are 5'9" or under.
- DarthKane

The next time you see any of top 6 guys throw a hit will be the first time
except for Kane he's actually hit a couple of guys

The next time you see any of top 6 guys throw a hit will be the first time
except for Kane he's actually hit a couple of guys
- gazza53

Silly me...I thought the primary role of a top 6 forward was to produce offense, not play physical.

As much as I wish you were wrong, you're probably right. And no GM goes down with the ship before axing the coach.

I have a hard time justifying firing one of the top two coaches in the NHL and Chicago history. Maybe he bought himself an extra season with each Cup, and after this it will be 3 losing seasons. Without Q I fear that the attitudes on this team will have no 'bad cop' ultimate figure to squash them down.

All of that said, I think you're right. No coach lasts forever. I'm just sad that the day is coming soon and it will be the end of an era.
- ObeseOprah

So may be that at the trade deadline Q is convinced on his own accord or by someone else to resign and finish out his contract as a highly paid scout. Btw in an earlier post you compared Toews to J Stash. I think you meant...as in a secondary point producer. Actually this season J Stash has been a hard working linemate and his line was producing points. Unlike Toews, Stash works hard all the time. Although both players are not producing first line expected points. Neither now is used as a first line . Staahl never was but I would love having him

Much rather have JVR than E Kane.
- JRoenick97

Keith for JVR and a 1st and 3rd?

Keith for JVR and a 1st and 3rd?
- gazza53

That would make a certain poster here very happy!

JvR (assuming he can be re-signed to a fair deal), 1st and Liljegren.

Silly me...I thought the primary role of a top 6 forward was to produce offense, not play physical.


- DarthKane

Silly you, you might need one to get the other,

That would make a certain poster here very happy!

JvR (assuming he can be re-signed to a fair deal), 1st and Liljegren.
- DarthKane

Works

Blame Rocky, McD, Bowman(s), Q, Toews, Seabs, Crow, Kane.

Blame them for 3 cups in 7 years and a ton of the most exciting Blackhawk hockey in our lifetime (I am 60).

Blame them because we have not been in the finals or cup winners every year since 2010.

Blame them because they are dumb, lazy and the game has past them by.

Demand their heads, because there are so many other sterling candidates out there to replace them and that will be an immediate fix.

We know this because we have seen how easy it is to win championships in all sports in Chicago. We know from history that changing championship winning GM's, coaches, and top players leads to immediate success.

How did I do Darth?
- -Doh-

Some players should go bye bye, The team NOW and during rebuild is much better off with someone else than the previously good head coach Q. And Bowman must bring in several players who willingly want to play a physical brand of hockey. A couple of them having size would help.

Trading Crawford after his latest issue - he will not fetch as much - beside he has limited veto power. He is the last line of defense and has kept us from being very very bad most nights.

And Keith cannot go until more experience and better performance is seen among at least some of the other dmen. Keith has bern much worse this year but remains heads and shoulders above the others. He sits at the top on this blue line crew although he must be taken off PP

Without the Bowmans we would of been lucky to win 1 Stanley Cup, would won none if Savard was still the coach
- BetweenTheDots

Oh please spare me...this team was stocked before Stan franked up the qualifiers to get his key to the executive washroom. Has Stan filled in around the edges nicely to help them bring in two more Cups? - Yes.

But take a good look at the track record going back a few seasons.

Who’s the guy that held on to both Leddy and Sharp too long in consecutive summers costing the Hawks a quality return with Leddy and valuable cap space with Sharp? Who’s the guy that thought Rundblad was the answer to his #4dman need after the Cup in 15 while Oduya was left to twist in the wind? Who's the guy that knowing he still needed that Dman in the Spring instead traded Danault for hot garbage and still owes the Habs a second rounder this year?

Who’s the guy that overpaid an aging core group of players and gave them no movement clauses handcuffing his flexibility with his own roster?

Meantime he trades a guy he should have never signed for that money in Panik for the flavor of the month in DuClair...oh boy. And while the Hawks can say they're getting younger it doesn't mean they're getting better. But get excited because that big contract extension with a NMC is just around the corner for Tomas Jurco.

Oh please spare me...this team was stocked before Stan franked up the qualifiers to get his key to the executive washroom. Has Stan filled in around the edges nicely to help them bring in two more Cups? - Yes.

But take a good look at the track record going back a few seasons.

Who’s the guy that held on to both Leddy and Sharp too long in consecutive summers costing the Hawks a quality return with Leddy and valuable cap space with Sharp? Who’s the guy that thought Rundblad was the answer to his #4dman need after the Cup in 15 while Oduya was left to twist in the wind? Who's the guy that knowing he still needed that Dman in the Spring instead traded Danault for hot garbage and still owes the Habs a second rounder this year?

Who’s the guy that overpaid an aging core group of players and gave them no movement clauses handcuffing his flexibility with his own roster?

Meantime he trades a guy he should have never signed for that money in Panik for the flavor of the month in DuClair...oh boy. And while the Hawks can say they're getting younger it doesn't mean they're getting better. But get excited because that big contract extension with a NMC is just around the corner for Tomas Jurco.
- DK002

If Savard was coaching this team in 2010 there would of been no Stanley Cup he was that bad
- BetweenTheDots

Please this credit that Q gets is ridiculous. Coach Savard almost got a team lead by 2 rookies into the play-offs the year before he was fired. Everyone forgets that Q was run out of Colorado for incompetence before being hired in Chicago - he was that bad. For me Q has been an impediment to success as he has always been stubborn beyond comprehension. The pro-Q posters always point to the 3 Cups. This is only a point if no other coach could have had the same success and, of course, other coaches could have. The pro-Q posters never talk about the absolute slew of First Round losses. Arguably the Hawks should have won 4, 5 or 6 Cups not just 3. I have always had problems with Q’s coaching. However, this year he has been especially awful, especially stubborn. Curiously, this is a year that he has actually had to coach.

Also, for those who talk about Scotty Bowman as if he walks on water do some historical research. What Scotty was brilliant at was choosing WHERE to coach - he wasn’t necessarily brilliant as a coach. He invariably coached great teams with great players - sound familiar? That has been Q’s MO too.

You know that the real reason Savard got fired was he refused to treat Poppa Bowman as a god. He simply didn’t read the Power Structure - same for Tallon. Tallon didn’t read the Power Structure with Junior Bowman as the Assistant GM. It is like what Dennis Leary says - “Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig’s Disease - you would think he would have saw that coming”.

"maintenance" - hmmm, why maintain how they've been playing? any way they can improve?
- matt_ahrens

Toews needs this as he is constantly out of energy and breath from his Kale & Grass diet. So skinny and weak. Everyone, let’s all tell Toews what he needs to do: EAT A STEAK!

Please this credit that Q gets is ridiculous. Coach Savard almost got a team lead by 2 rookies into the play-offs the year before he was fired. Everyone forgets that Q was run out of Colorado for incompetence before being hired in Chicago - he was that bad. For me Q has been an impediment to success as he has always been stubborn beyond comprehension. The pro-Q posters always point to the 3 Cups. This is only a point if no other coach could have had the same success and, of course, other coaches could have. The pro-Q posters never talk about the absolute slew of First Round losses. Arguably the Hawks should have won 4, 5 or 6 Cups not just 3. I have always had problems with Q’s coaching. However, this year he has been especially awful, especially stubborn. Curiously, this is a year that he has actually had to coach.

Also, for those who talk about Scotty Bowman as if he walks on water do some historical research. What Scotty was brilliant at was choosing WHERE to coach - he wasn’t necessarily brilliant as a coach. He invariably coached great teams with great players - sound familiar? That has been Q’s MO too.

You know that the real reason Savard got fired was he refused to treat Poppa Bowman as a god. He simply didn’t read the Power Structure - same for Tallon. Tallon didn’t read the Power Structure with Junior Bowman as the Assistant GM. It is like what Dennis Leary says - “Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig’s Disease - you would think he would have saw that coming”.
- Z3Hawk

Holy crap

Oh please spare me...this team was stocked before Stan franked up the qualifiers to get his key to the executive washroom. Has Stan filled in around the edges nicely to help them bring in two more Cups? - Yes.

But take a good look at the track record going back a few seasons.

Who’s the guy that held on to both Leddy and Sharp too long in consecutive summers costing the Hawks a quality return with Leddy and valuable cap space with Sharp? Who’s the guy that thought Rundblad was the answer to his #4dman need after the Cup in 15 while Oduya was left to twist in the wind? Who's the guy that knowing he still needed that Dman in the Spring instead traded Danault for hot garbage and still owes the Habs a second rounder this year?

Who’s the guy that overpaid an aging core group of players and gave them no movement clauses handcuffing his flexibility with his own roster?

Meantime he trades a guy he should have never signed for that money in Panik for the flavor of the month in DuClair...oh boy. And while the Hawks can say they're getting younger it doesn't mean they're getting better. But get excited because that big contract extension with a NMC is just around the corner for Tomas Jurco.
- DK002

Oops

Blame Rocky, McD, Bowman(s), Q, Toews, Seabs, Crow, Kane.

Blame them for 3 cups in 7 years and a ton of the most exciting Blackhawk hockey in our lifetime (I am 60).

Blame them because we have not been in the finals or cup winners every year since 2010.

Blame them because they are dumb, lazy and the game has past them by.

Demand their heads, because there are so many other sterling candidates out there to replace them and that will be an immediate fix.

We know this because we have seen how easy it is to win championships in all sports in Chicago. We know from history that changing championship winning GM's, coaches, and top players leads to immediate success.

How did I do Darth?
- -Doh-

Umm also know that when the windows is closed, in both the case on the North and South side, you need to maximize value for assets, decide who you are going to build around and do an actual rebuild.

Unlike the Bulls who have no identity and flounder in mediocrity mainly because their GM is terrible and they have made poor coaching decisions.

The White Sox were in a similar position until they got Kenny out of the way and were ruthless moving contracts. Now at least they will be exciting because there is a plan and they have some interesting pieces.

Nothing fun about Blackhawk hockey now except Patrick Kane.