Kaner waving goodbye to everyone....


- EnzoD

Kane should be the first one to go.

https://chicago.suntimes....d-be-on-the-ice-soon/amp/

great to see craw is making progress...probably still weeks away...

Kane routinely gets better, and can make average players very good. You build around him. He will go down as the greatest American player ever.....and if he wants probably ends up as the Hawks all time leading scorer. Yes he has value, but he's untouchable in my book. I wouldn't deal him for many, if any, players.

2 will fetch a kings ransom. He's got a team friendly cap hit, and could put an eastern conference team over the edge. 15 also would have value as a depth center and if that big goof Hanzal can net a decent return at last year's deadline, so should 15.

From there...maybe somebody takes a flyer on 10 or 38 or Wingels or Bouma but the Hawks have to be listening to any and all offers. Dumping Panik for DuClair was a nice start, but we need more......and we need to restock picks and prospects and you need to give to get.
- SteveRain

I agree and no one's arguing Kane isn't a great player or that in an ideal world he retires a Hawk...but along with #2 he may be the quickest way to rebuild organizational depth. Keith, while still good has started his downward trajectory and is.

So if a 34 yo Keith would bring back a boatload, I think if you're Stan you should be listening on Kane as well.

Yes. I'm hesitant to trade 2 but it would signal a true rebuild. He should, in theory, get you at minimum a 1st rounder and highly rated prospect...if not more.
- EnzoD

The more he plays, at this point, the more his stock goes down

McCabe is a guy that likes to lay the body. He put Laine to sleep last year with a devastating and CLEAN center ice step up. He has good upside and the attitude the Hawks need more of. Cap increase, getting Anisimov's nearly $5mil off the books. What do you think Evander will get in salary? $6 mil? $7 max? In theory the Hawks should be able to afford that with Hossa's LTIR space and a rise in the Cap. EKane is 26, big, fast, can finish and lays the body. Just the type of guy the Hawks need, IMO. Kreider is another guy I'd love to have.
- EnzoD

E Kane is not a guy the Hawks should give a big contract to. $6 - $7 million for a guy who's averaged 66 games per season (pro-rating 2013) and averages 44 points (pro-rating 2013). I believe you're of the opinion that Anisimov is too expensive at $4.55 million, but E Kane would be worth $6 - $7 million? He may be having a solid year, but his situation should raise nothing but read flags. A possible career year when he's a pending UFA? Sounds fishy to me. On top of all of this there is the strong possibility he'll be a problem in the locker room. There's been some evidence in Winnipeg and Buffalo to support that possibility. I would stay far away from E Kane.

E Kane is not a guy the Hawks should give a big contract to. $6 - $7 million for a guy who's averaged 66 games per season (pro-rating 2013) and averages 44 points (pro-rating 2013). I believe you're of the opinion that Anisimov is too expensive at $4.55 million, but E Kane would be worth $6 - $7 million? He may be having a solid year, but his situation should raise nothing but read flags. A possible career year when he's a pending UFA? Sounds fishy to me. On top of all of this there is the strong possibility he'll be a problem in the locker room. There's been some evidence in Winnipeg and Buffalo to support that possibility. I would stay far away from E Kane.
- DarthKane

I have never wanted E Kane to even sniff the Hawks roster. Always a problem with whatever team. Players don't like him. Mediocre drive to play. I want JVR if we are going for a goal scoring big forward.

I agree and no one's arguing Kane isn't a great player or that in an ideal world he retires a Hawk...but along with #2 he may be the quickest way to rebuild organizational depth. Keith, while still good has started his downward trajectory and is.

So if a 34 yo Keith would bring back a boatload, I think if you're Stan you should be listening on Kane as well.
- HawkintheD

Kane has a "no-move" contract - I assume he is in full control (but I may be wrong).

He is not likely to approve a move to an outlier cap-floor team - he would want to go where he could be playing for championships immediately.

Which teams would that be that would also have the cap space to hold him?

I'm thinking - not so easy to move him.

E Kane is not a guy the Hawks should give a big contract to. $6 - $7 million for a guy who's averaged 66 games per season (pro-rating 2013) and averages 44 points (pro-rating 2013). I believe you're of the opinion that Anisimov is too expensive at $4.55 million, but E Kane would be worth $6 - $7 million? He may be having a solid year, but his situation should raise nothing but read flags. A possible career year when he's a pending UFA? Sounds fishy to me. On top of all of this there is the strong possibility he'll be a problem in the locker room. There's been some evidence in Winnipeg and Buffalo to support that possibility. I would stay far away from E Kane.
- DarthKane

Isn't that why Toews and Seabrook make $17 million a year? To lead troubled youth like Evander Kane??

Isn't that why Toews and Seabrook make $17 million a year? To lead troubled youth like Evander Kane??
- EnzoD

They helped one Kane grow up, isn't that enough?

Isn't that why Toews and Seabrook make $17 million a year? To lead troubled youth like Evander Kane??
- EnzoD

Other good leaders/vets haven't been able to help E Kane (i.e. Byfuglien) so I doubt anyone on the Hawks could.

Overpaying for a UFA is not the answer. This team should position themselves for more long term success and they'll need youth for that. Relying on youngsters is not without risk, but it's a better risk that Evander Kane.

You are correct... Your veterans and others who have had three plus years in the NHL HAVE DONE NOTHING but yet you got people putting a rookie under the bus even though he is your 4 th best scorer on the team. We got a lot more issues on this team than DCat!
- spanky

It's been an equal opportunity bashing for all players, coaches and front office personnel for 19 pages. ADB being no exception.

Other good leaders/vets haven't been able to help E Kane (i.e. Byfuglien) so I doubt anyone on the Hawks could.

Overpaying for a UFA is not the answer. This team should position themselves for more long term success and they'll need youth for that. Relying on youngsters is not without risk, but it's a better risk that Evander Kane.
- DarthKane

Chris Kreider works too.

That's the entire problem. The infatuation with a nearly 90 year old in Scotty Bowman has to stop. If Scotty Bowman wasn't his father, there is a snowballs chance in hell Stan would be an NHL GM. Whatever great scouting and expertise that Scotty and Stan have, it's led the Hawks to the basement of the Central Division, and in a hurry. New leadership and direction is needed. Bowman and Q have too much history, allegiance and bias towards the Core to make the tough decisions needed to turn around this train that is running off the rails.
- EnzoD

This is the post of the day.

Chris Kreider works too.
- EnzoD

Kreider is a good forward, but would he really be be worth $4.625 million for another 2 seasons?

If the team is looking to spend money it should be on defense. I don't know who Stan could target, maybe one of the guys on Carolina (i.e. Fauly, Hanifan, Pesce or Slavin).

Kreider is a good forward, but would he really be be worth $4.625 million for another 2 seasons?

If the team is looking to spend money it should be on defense. I don't know who Stan could target, maybe one of the guys on Carolina (i.e. Fauly, Hanifan, Pesce or Slavin).
- DarthKane

Carolina seems like an ideal trading partner as they are still struggling to score, and seem to have a bunch of NHL ready young dmen who would be improvements over most of the guys the Hawks are playing right now.

Carolina seems like an ideal trading partner as they are still struggling to score, and seem to have a bunch of NHL ready young dmen who would be improvements over most of the guys the Hawks are playing right now.
- EnzoD

I'd want to hold onto Schmaltz, but I would part with Hartman or Debrincat to acquire a solid defenseman.

I'd want to hold onto Schmaltz, but I would part with Hartman or Debrincat to acquire a solid defenseman.
- DarthKane

I like ADB's potential, but a top 4 guy is more pressing right now for sure.

People are saying guys like Toews and Seabrook should have been dealt a couple years ago while their value was high. Trading Kane today is the same logic. Not saying I agree with it, but if anyone agrees #19 and #7 should have been traded long ago should be willing to part with Kane. I know the Hawks don't have a replacement for #88, but let's be honest, they don't have replacements for Toews or Seabrook either.
- DarthKane

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Oh yes we do.

It's called two pylons.

No Keith or Toews at practice. Both talked postgame so probably just maintenance.
- walleyeb1

"maintenance" - hmmm, why maintain how they've been playing? any way they can improve?

Kane has a "no-move" contract - I assume he is in full control (but I may be wrong).

He is not likely to approve a move to an outlier cap-floor team - he would want to go where he could be playing for championships immediately.

Which teams would that be that would also have the cap space to hold him?

I'm thinking - not so easy to move him.
- StLBravesFan

Kane has a "no-move" contract - I assume he is in full control (but I may be wrong).

He is not likely to approve a move to an outlier cap-floor team - he would want to go where he could be playing for championships immediately.

Which teams would that be that would also have the cap space to hold him?

I'm thinking - not so easy to move him.
- StLBravesFan

Plus if you move Kane will see the fan-base erode significantly, like to the point of a half empty UC I would imagine. How would anyone propose we replace his 90+ points per season? Not gonna happen. Now Toews, I think people are finally starting to understand he's pretty much done for. Thanks for 2010-2015 seasons, PEACE!!! 10.5 million to replace his point production is far from inconceivable. I know I know, who's gonna take that albatross of a contract off our hands? Good friggin' question, thanks Stan

That's the entire problem. The infatuation with a nearly 90 year old in Scotty Bowman has to stop. If Scotty Bowman wasn't his father, there is a snowballs chance in hell Stan would be an NHL GM. Whatever great scouting and expertise that Scotty and Stan have, it's led the Hawks to the basement of the Central Division, and in a hurry. New leadership and direction is needed. Bowman and Q have too much history, allegiance and bias towards the Core to make the tough decisions needed to turn around this train that is running off the rails.
- EnzoD

No way, Scotty Bowman possesses in his like pinky more hockey knowledge than actual NHL organizations.

No way, Scotty Bowman possesses in his like pinky more hockey knowledge than actual NHL organizations.
- BetweenTheDots

Not debating that, but he is 84 years old. My great uncle is 83 years old, and he should not be a voice of reason for any organization. And is it really Scotty that is calling the shots? I find that VERY hard to believe. It's Stanley's team and it's not a good team.

Without the Bowmans we would of been lucky to win 1 Stanley Cup, would won none if Savard was still the coach