Why make Kane an untouchable? If you are honestly going to blow it up, Kane and Keith would bring the most back in trade. Trading Seabrook would likely require taking back a bad deal and you aren't getting value for 19.
- HawkintheD

Kane is the type of player who is so smart, skilled, and dedicated that he can be a Top 20 offensive player until he is in his late 30s. You simply cannot trade him bc you cannot replace what he does. Seabrook, 2018 Toews, Anisimov and even 2018 Keith you can replace much easier. I still think that Keith should not be moved bc he is the only reliable Dman on the entire team. Patrick Kane IS the Franchise, and maybe Jonathan Toews was more of a passenger to Marian Hossa than any of us would have ever thought during their run of dominance.....

No Keith or Toews at practice. Both talked postgame so probably just maintenance.
- walleyeb1

The two players that should be at practice

You can not blame a player for cashing in on their market value, especially after winning multiple cups, it was time to get a fat contract that most other teams would have paid them if the hawks did not.
- WiscoReg

Sorry, Toews and Kane still would have been on the team at 9 million each. No other GM would have given Seabrook a 7 year deal at 6.5 million deal plus a no trade clause. Those deals are on Stan... No excuses , please.

You are correct, the Hawks had almost twice as many shots after 2 periods. However, in the last period when the Hawks should be pressing and get two great power play opportunities .... They hibernate again. When the Lighning started to clog up their blue line in the last five minutes the Hawks were finished for the night...the Hawks couldn't even pull their goalie because was so busy around his own net.
- spanky

You have to also consider the opposition they were facing too. Tampa is a decent team that can play with a lead pretty well.

The more I watch these Q pressers he just looks more and more defeated. Is the message not resonating? Has he lost the room? I don't know but too many times they show up uninspired to play and while that's mostly on the player, I'm beginning to wonder if Q gets booted here shortly and they use Dineen as the interm coach.
- SteveRain

his pressers have been muted...but what is screaming at the press and giving one word answers going to do to improve things nothing...Q never publically throws his players under the bus...

you have Q code speak: eehh he was ok = not so much or he needs to be better = he really sucked...

they are not going to terminate a 3 cup winning coach during the season; they have to much respect for Q (rightfully so) to pull a classless stunt like that...

Kane is the type of player who is so smart, skilled, and dedicated that he can be a Top 20 offensive player until he is in his late 30s. You simply cannot trade him bc you cannot replace what he does. Seabrook, 2018 Toews, Anisimov and even 2018 Keith you can replace much easier. I still think that Keith should not be moved bc he is the only reliable Dman on the entire team. Patrick Kane IS the Franchise, and maybe Jonathan Toews was more of a passenger to Marian Hossa than any of us would have ever thought during their run of dominance.....
- EnzoD

might be something to that...but he started his regression after 2015 when hoosa still played 2 more years...

i think its physical...non disclosed chronic condition...

The two players that should be at practice
- scott.jackson

I agree it’s ridiculous, screw maintenance days!!!

might be something to that...but he started his regression after 2015 when hoosa still played 2 more years...

i think its physical...non disclosed chronic condition...
- bogiedoc

Indeed, but Hossa finally started to show his age after the 2015 Cup. I tend to agree with you Bogie that it is a physical degradation for 19. Just no explosion in his skating, and half the strength on the puck that he used to have. What boggles my mind though is his lack of dangles/puck control. The guy used to have some moves with the puck, not on Kane's level, but he could deke by defenders 1v1. Literally EVERY o-zone entry Toews pulls up on the half boards and tries to drop the puck to the D or throw it down low. Not beating any defenders 1v1 anymore like a $10.5million forward should be doing.

his pressers have been muted...but what is screaming at the press and giving one word answers going to do to improve things nothing...Q never publically throws his players under the bus...

you have Q code speak: eehh he was ok = not so much or he needs to be better = he really sucked...

they are not going to terminate a 3 cup winning coach during the season; they have to much respect for Q (rightfully so) to pull a classless stunt like that...
- bogiedoc

That is so not true to my eyes/ears. Maybe not by naming individuals, but after the losses to St. Louis and again to Nashville, that is exactly who he put all the blame on.

Sorry, Toews and Kane still would have been on the team at 9 million each. No other GM would have given Seabrook a 7 year deal at 6.5 million deal plus a no trade clause. Those deals are on Stan... No excuses , please.
- spanky

In no way am I defending Stanley, he should be fired, I'm saying as a player someone offers you 10.5 a year, why say no. Seabrook terrible deal, but if someone offers you that much coin and power with a NMC, again you would be dumb to say no

I agree it’s ridiculous, screw maintenance days!!!
- walleyeb1

Not the lead-by-example you want to see. Even if they show up and don't dress, just being there would be important.

Sorry, Toews and Kane still would have been on the team at 9 million each. No other GM would have given Seabrook a 7 year deal at 6.5 million deal plus a no trade clause. Those deals are on Stan... No excuses , please.
- spanky

Didn't WASH give Orpik a 5.5mil dollar deal a few years ago? With cap inflation, I'd say that's comparible of what another GM would give someone.

Not last night he wasn't.
- JRoenick97

Q takes some blame on that. It has to be hard knowing that the smallest mistake will lead to you sitting a few games. That's no way to help a player get acclimated to his new team.

I agree it’s ridiculous, screw maintenance days!!!
- walleyeb1

maintenace day??? they just took a week and two games off...

Totally against firing Stan. If we lose him we lose his dad and their network of scouts, former coaches and players.

I'd like to think that McD would know what GM to bring in to fill the void well, but I can't honestly think of an available one. Lombardi is working for Philly, and the other handful of recently fired guys from the last couple of years is not inspiring (Maloney, etc.)

That is so not true to my eyes/ears. Maybe not by naming individuals, but after the losses to St. Louis and again to Nashville, that is exactly who he put all the blame on.
- pdx2ord

i can't recall an interview or presser where he spewed venom on a particular player by name...

Kane is the type of player who is so smart, skilled, and dedicated that he can be a Top 20 offensive player until he is in his late 30s. You simply cannot trade him bc you cannot replace what he does. Seabrook, 2018 Toews, Anisimov and even 2018 Keith you can replace much easier. I still think that Keith should not be moved bc he is the only reliable Dman on the entire team. Patrick Kane IS the Franchise, and maybe Jonathan Toews was more of a passenger to Marian Hossa than any of us would have ever thought during their run of dominance.....
- EnzoD

People are saying guys like Toews and Seabrook should have been dealt a couple years ago while their value was high. Trading Kane today is the same logic. Not saying I agree with it, but if anyone agrees #19 and #7 should have been traded long ago should be willing to part with Kane. I know the Hawks don't have a replacement for #88, but let's be honest, they don't have replacements for Toews or Seabrook either.

Why make Kane an untouchable? If you are honestly going to blow it up, Kane and Keith would bring the most back in trade. Trading Seabrook would likely require taking back a bad deal and you aren't getting value for 19.
- HawkintheD

Because without Kane, there is zero entertainment value and absolutely no reason to buy a ticket, or even watch on TV, a Hawks game.

maintenace day??? they just took a week and two games off...
- bogiedoc

Are we allowed to say nice things about Toews and Saad?

I do think that the lack of goals is surprising. If you look at shooting percentage, Toews and Saad both are at 10.7% and 9% respectively. According to quant hockey, that is better than league average (which fluctuates between 8% & 9%). Obviously, we would like that to be higher, but they have average scoring against opposing teams' top players.

The problem seems to be that rotating third player which I think DuClair might remedy. In his time with the Coyotes, Duclair had a shooting percentage above 13%. By contrast, Hino and Panik are at or below average in that regard. Take away Panik's first few games, and his % plummets.
- TexasHawk

This is not at all surprising if you use the eye test and see where the shots are coming from. Toews and company currently have a penchant for NOT taking many of their shots from areas low in the slot or near the crease.

This is in great contrast to 19 and 20's former, and more effective incarnation of strapping on their sacks and taking it to the net.

Today's incarnation - lots of perimeter shots from NOT in close to the net. A far more timid style of play.

Totally against firing Stan. If we lose him we lose his dad and their network of scouts, former coaches and players.

I'd like to think that McD would know what GM to bring in to fill the void well, but I can't honestly think of an available one. Lombardi is working for Philly, and the other handful of recently fired guys from the last couple of years is not inspiring (Maloney, etc.)
- ObeseOprah

That's the entire problem. The infatuation with a nearly 90 year old in Scotty Bowman has to stop. If Scotty Bowman wasn't his father, there is a snowballs chance in hell Stan would be an NHL GM. Whatever great scouting and expertise that Scotty and Stan have, it's led the Hawks to the basement of the Central Division, and in a hurry. New leadership and direction is needed. Bowman and Q have too much history, allegiance and bias towards the Core to make the tough decisions needed to turn around this train that is running off the rails.

@ByScottPowers

Saad, Schmaltz & Kane skating together
- JRoenick97

I like this...who knows if it will make a difference but it's work a shot. Hopefully Q moves up DeBrincat with Toews and Duclair.

i can't recall an interview or presser where he spewed venom on a particular player by name...
- bogiedoc

Yeah, he definitely doesn't point out player issues by naming individuals, and that's admirable. He does blame them as a group, though (albeit deserved many times). However, after a loss like the STL or NSH ones, a leader pointing out what is wrong with "you" without admitting fault himself, can be demoralizing.

Because without Kane, there is zero entertainment value and absolutely no reason to buy a ticket, or even watch on TV, a Hawks game.
- BMWChiFan

This x 10000

Why make Kane an untouchable? If you are honestly going to blow it up, Kane and Keith would bring the most back in trade. Trading Seabrook would likely require taking back a bad deal and you aren't getting value for 19.
- HawkintheD

Kane routinely gets better, and can make average players very good. You build around him. He will go down as the greatest American player ever.....and if he wants probably ends up as the Hawks all time leading scorer. Yes he has value, but he's untouchable in my book. I wouldn't deal him for many, if any, players.

2 will fetch a kings ransom. He's got a team friendly cap hit, and could put an eastern conference team over the edge. 15 also would have value as a depth center and if that big goof Hanzal can net a decent return at last year's deadline, so should 15.

From there...maybe somebody takes a flyer on 10 or 38 or Wingels or Bouma but the Hawks have to be listening to any and all offers. Dumping Panik for DuClair was a nice start, but we need more......and we need to restock picks and prospects and you need to give to get.