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2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 1:27 AM ET
the Red Wings are really in cap trouble, maybe there is a deal there? They have ZERO cap space today’s
AA, Nyquist, LHD DeKeyser even Helm (his speed fits here).

May not be an expensive team to deal with? They are pretty desperate


I like the players named but Detroit will want to keep AA (he's young/talented). The others have term on their contracts. Maybe a hockey deal in the off-season involving Trouba? I would rather keep him around if he wants to be in Winnipeg.

Detroit could let go of Green as a rental.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 2:08 AM ET
I don't understand all the unrest/frustration with Jets fans here... it doesn't make sense because we are winning. Dumping Enstrom, Buff, Myers, Hendricks, Tanev, Copp, Lowry and a few others often named is madness. The team is finding chemistry and winning games. It is also entertaining hockey.

If we are going to move some regulars in the lineup the time to do it is in the off-season. As for the deadline maybe move a bottom six player who is not french Jesus) and deeper prospects/picks to land a substantial rental fish.

back in the day Islanders picked up Goring, Detroit picked up guys like Hull, Modano, Hasek, Murphy. Carolina picked up Recchi, Weight. Pittsburg got a couple years out of 38yo Matt Cullen. - all way past their prime but dependable

How can we be serious about some of the suggestions being made without any reason to think their respective teams are ready to part with them? Suggestions of young players currently signed on rebuilding teams is taking the oxygen out of the blog - how do you even respond?


We don't need a player with term or an invitation to the all star game, but should focus on players with playoff experience only. There are some aging players out there somewhere who would be energized by another playoff run and would not upset chemistry or 2019 cap.

Tavares as a rental is probably the most realistic suggestion for a big impact, but not the only rental option - guys like Plecanec, Vanek, Sharp, Vrbata,or maybe free agent Iginla could do PP and play solid bottom six minutes. depth on D - Oduya again?
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jan 21 @ 2:18 AM ET
Enstrom and Byfuglien may be an expensive third pairing but they are still a very good third pairing. Most third pairings are horrific and these guys at least are still quite OK. Also the argument about salary doesn't really makes sense, because looking at next year Enstrom's salary is gone and you can try and trade Byfuglien in the off season. Should still have some value then, especially if he remains on the 1st PP.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 21 @ 9:08 AM ET
I don't understand all the unrest/frustration with Jets fans here... it doesn't make sense because we are winning. Dumping Enstrom, Buff, Myers, Hendricks, Tanev, Copp, Lowry and a few others often named is madness. The team is finding chemistry and winning games. It is also entertaining hockey.

If we are going to move some regulars in the lineup the time to do it is in the off-season. As for the deadline maybe move a bottom six player who is not french Jesus) and deeper prospects/picks to land a substantial rental fish.

back in the day Islanders picked up Goring, Detroit picked up guys like Hull, Modano, Hasek, Murphy. Carolina picked up Recchi, Weight. Pittsburg got a couple years out of 38yo Matt Cullen. - all way past their prime but dependable

How can we be serious about some of the suggestions being made without any reason to think their respective teams are ready to part with them? Suggestions of young players currently signed on rebuilding teams is taking the oxygen out of the blog - how do you even respond?


We don't need a player with term or an invitation to the all star game, but should focus on players with playoff experience only. There are some aging players out there somewhere who would be energized by another playoff run and would not upset chemistry or 2019 cap.

Tavares as a rental is probably the most realistic suggestion for a big impact, but not the only rental option - guys like Plecanec, Vanek, Sharp, Vrbata,or maybe free agent Iginla could do PP and play solid bottom six minutes. depth on D - Oduya again?

- 2.0


2.0, you are bang on for your thread imop. I agree with you that the suggestion of dumping current roster players is madness. But, you have to come to grips that we as posters on this board are sitting in our arm chairs with a cold one in hand that will never get any closer to pulling the trigger on a deal, (thanks goodness). So, it is alot of hot air but it allows for posters to air their frustrations regarding a certain player, give their suggestions basically gives an outlet. There is good info on here, you can tell ppl know what they are talking about and this is a venting outlet. I highly doubt Chevy is going to give anyone of us a call unforntunealty, but the posters here know the game.

The team is winning, this is great because now all the preaching that Chevy has done on draft and develop and us fans have patiently waited for prospects like Helle to blossom and bingo, looks like we are close. But Buf for example, here we are and he continues to play his high risk free style crap which is not the Jets current game plan. The plan is to play Maurices system and be patient, like last nite, patience, don't open it up, patience, patience and game plan. But Buf continues drift in and out of free style. That frustrates me so much because i think its disrespectful and he should know by now that things have changed, game plan has changed. So I post something like Buf for Puljujarvi. It will never happen but Buff neds to smarten up and be responsible leader.

But, you are right, us fans have waited, now we want more, and never seem satisifed even if the team is winning.

On your second point of bringing in some guys to get us over the hump, adding to the mix to help in a playoff run. Is there a Hull, Madano, Murphy, Weight Cullen or Recchi calibre out there right now for a rental? I am not so sure. Oduya? Yikes, please no. I agree that adding to the mix can help but personally, i want to be damn sure that you are adding someone that can add to the mix. Personally I would try to add high impact rental like a Tavares because he is going bring the skill level of the team to a whole new dimension.

I am hesitant to add the long in the tooth plugger whose career is done just for the sake of playoff experience because I am not sure there is a Recchi, Cullen, or Murphy out there right now. None of the names you mention do anything for me and the other reason is that the current team now has been learning patience within the game. Just like last nite, just like the Colorado game. I think this group can accomplish alot with the current mindset, just like last nite. The group seems mentally tough, imop and that is an "unmeasureable" skill or stat that doesn't get transferred to paper.

I also disagree with anyone who says Wheeler hasn't help the team or any team win a playoff game. Wheeler was calling out Evander Kane years before Buff threw his track suit in the shower. He had the balls to do it years before Buf did. Ladd was a classy guy, did a lot for the organization but was a very quiet leader. Wheeler is a driver. I put a lot of stock in this guys leadership and he is going to drive this bus and drive the players. He is doing it now.

Just my opinion, but we don't need any has beens or pluggers, high impact rental should be the target. Just my opinion!
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 21 @ 9:44 AM ET
2 more points:

2.0 has a good point which is actually quite interesting and funny. For 6 years, us unpaid analyst / fans that post on here, or fans in Wpg and throughout Mb were just happy to have an NHL team. The fans were passive, didn't complain that much, were just plain happy to have a team and kept your mouth shut or opinions to your self regarding the team like blatanly obvious short comings like goaltending, we were just happy to have a team. Now, lol, the team is winning like 2.0 points out, and we are ready to ship half the team off, fire Maurice or what ever, even tho the team is winning. Funny how the teams starts to win and critics for some reason feel liberated to start demanding more. I am one of them for some reason, it is an interesting scenario.

The second point is on leadership. It will be short and sweet. I can't remember who said it, but it was either Mark Messier or Glenn Anderson, the words were "You are only as good as your last shift." I actually think it was Anderson that said it.

Blake Wheeler has this mentality in my opinion. This is Wheelers mantra. He subscribes to this mentality. I am optimistic the team is mentally tough with a leader that hasn't won yet as he has been on crappy teams until now. (Excluding Boston when they traded him) Captain serious, hometown Johnny Toews had to lead Chicago on the first cup, it has to start somehere. Wheeler has it in him because he subscribes to same mantra that Anderson, Messier, and Towes does.

You want something positve, there it is and I beleive it 100%!
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 21 @ 9:59 AM ET
This is insanely stupid. Giroux is overpaid and about decline. He’s also massively overrated, below average defensively, and was one of the lowest points per/60 players in the NHL last year. I wouldn’t trade Stanley for Giroux.
- Rexypoo

I to wouldn't make that trade but you do realize you are talking about the guy currently 4th in NHL scoring? Comparing him to a guy you like ( wheeler) just to prove a point. They both play poor defence Girioux is younger than wheeler, and wheeler will also be likely to decline and will be looking to be severely over paid soon enough. Again, I wouldn't make the trade but I don't see you ripping wheeler ever like you are ripping a guy currently out performing him.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 21 @ 10:28 AM ET
I don't understand all the unrest/frustration with Jets fans here... it doesn't make sense because we are winning. Dumping Enstrom, Buff, Myers, Hendricks, Tanev, Copp, Lowry and a few others often named is madness. The team is finding chemistry and winning games. It is also entertaining hockey.

If we are going to move some regulars in the lineup the time to do it is in the off-season. As for the deadline maybe move a bottom six player who is not french Jesus) and deeper prospects/picks to land a substantial rental fish.

back in the day Islanders picked up Goring, Detroit picked up guys like Hull, Modano, Hasek, Murphy. Carolina picked up Recchi, Weight. Pittsburg got a couple years out of 38yo Matt Cullen. - all way past their prime but dependable

How can we be serious about some of the suggestions being made without any reason to think their respective teams are ready to part with them? Suggestions of young players currently signed on rebuilding teams is taking the oxygen out of the blog - how do you even respond?


We don't need a player with term or an invitation to the all star game, but should focus on players with playoff experience only. There are some aging players out there somewhere who would be energized by another playoff run and would not upset chemistry or 2019 cap.

Tavares as a rental is probably the most realistic suggestion for a big impact, but not the only rental option - guys like Plecanec, Vanek, Sharp, Vrbata,or maybe free agent Iginla could do PP and play solid bottom six minutes. depth on D - Oduya again?

- 2.0


Excellent post 2.0. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one on here saying the same things. All these ridiculous posts about trading Myers and Buff and Little are pure insanity. Myers in particular has been stellar this year. We have prospects and draft picks we will likely not need and that is the currency Chevy will use.

Tavares is the one prime asset out there that could be the holy grail as a rental for the Jets. No one is going to complain about the Jets not picking in the first round of the draft or that Petan or Copp is no longer in the Jets system while Wheeler is parading around the rink hoisting the Stanley Cup. Its the ultimate prize and teams spend many many years of planning and shrewd management to even get close. Jets time to really go for it is this year and next before cap issues become a burden .

bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 21 @ 10:33 AM ET
Andrew Shaw - grit and playoff experience- if not Shaw, a similar player is what we need.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
I to wouldn't make that trade but you do realize you are talking about the guy currently 4th in NHL scoring? Comparing him to a guy you like ( wheeler) just to prove a point. They both play poor defence Girioux is younger than wheeler, and wheeler will also be likely to decline and will be looking to be severely over paid soon enough. Again, I wouldn't make the trade but I don't see you ripping wheeler ever like you are ripping a guy currently out performing him.
- Ross77


Because Wheeler has destroyed him in almost every measurable way for the last 5 years, and unlike Giroux, he’s steadily gotten better. Wheeler is an exception to the aging rule for now.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
Because Wheeler has destroyed him in almost every measurable way for the last 5 years, and unlike Giroux, he’s steadily gotten better. Wheeler is an exception to the aging rule for now.
- Rexypoo



While Rexy is wrong on just about everything he posts I do agree with him on this issue. Wheeler has been a late bloomer and is just reaching his prime. I have followed Giroux's career since his heyday in juniors. An excellent player but there is no way you trade Wheeler for Giroux. He's our Captain, a true leader , gives it all every shift, and seems to always be there when it matters. Also very involved in the Winnipeg community which he loves. No way we trade him.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 21 @ 1:49 PM ET
Enstrom and Byfuglien may be an expensive third pairing but they are still a very good third pairing. Most third pairings are horrific and these guys at least are still quite OK. Also the argument about salary doesn't really makes sense, because looking at next year Enstrom's salary is gone and you can try and trade Byfuglien in the off season. Should still have some value then, especially if he remains on the 1st PP.
- DutchSenators


check the % of cap tied up in Chicago's top pairing - and then the drop off to the next 4
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