Same as OEL I assume

He's a UFA soon so teams don't wan to give up the world for him.

And if the Sens aren't okay with that then they take the risk in FA
- Santo_44

i think they still get 4-piece packages for those guys; but basically futures.

i think the quality of those packages drops as rentals next year. 2 playoff runs at very good value caphits is a lot more valuable than 1.

i think they still get 4-piece packages for those guys; but basically futures.

i think the quality of those packages drops as rentals next year. 2 playoff runs at very good value caphits is a lot more valuable than 1.
- Tumbleweed

You gotta ask him straight up if he's willing to sign here next year, he seems to be all about speaking his mind this year so you should get an answer. If he's willing than I want him signed , but if not, trade him now. I'd be happy with a roster player, good prospect, and a first. I'd love to send him to Anaheim in a deal and try to get Montour.

You gotta ask him straight up if he's willing to sign here next year, he seems to be all about speaking his mind this year so you should get an answer. If he's willing than I want him signed , but if not, trade him now. I'd be happy with a roster player, good prospect, and a first.
- forbetterorWORSE

they already asked for his trade list and dorion just announced he's listening to offers.

seems to me the arrows are pointing in a certain direction.

what would that be from the leafs?

You gotta ask him straight up if he's willing to sign here next year, he seems to be all about speaking his mind this year so you should get an answer. If he's willing than I want him signed , but if not, trade him now. I'd be happy with a roster player, good prospect, and a first. I'd love to send him to Anaheim in a deal and try to get Montour.
- forbetterorWORSE

Victor Rask, Julien Gauthier, 1st Round pick

what's the feeling on his trade value?
- Tumbleweed

Karlsson would return a boatload to the Sens.

He is arguably the best defenseman in the world. Yes he's slowed this year by recovery from a very serious surgery but in the big picture that's a blip on the radar.

I was serious about Matthews (for example) not being enough straight up considering where Matthews is in his career. In a few years maybe. Even then does anyone trade a great defenseman even up for a great forward?

Karlsson would probably return a top 3 forward, 1st, roster player and a prospect at a minimum.

Having said all that, I can't imagine why the Sens would trade him anyway. Yes it's going to cost Euge a ton to sign Erik. As much as he drives me nuts, Euge still spends in the top third of the league. He knows whats coming and you will see him spend it.

There are many factors (excuses) to account the Sens poor showing this year but Erik's mobility issues as he recovers may be the most debilitating for the team - a lot like Tampa was last year with Stamkos suffering from injury and the team missing the playoffs.

That is the only way I will compare Ottawa to Tampa. However, I'm not one who subscribes to the notion that last year was an anomaly for the Sens. Yes, they played above their heads at the end (and good on them) but they are also better than they are playing this year.

They are a playoff team with a fully healthy Karlsson (he's that good) but not without him.

Erik's not going anywhere.

they already asked for his trade list and dorion just announced he's listening to offers.

seems to me the arrows are pointing in a certain direction.

what would that be from the leafs?
- Tumbleweed

Personally..... I'd be happy with Marner and a 1st. I can't see us trading him to Toronto though. I know we've traded before, but I just can't see this fan base forgiving our best player going to Toronto.

Victor Rask, Julien Gauthier, 1st Round pick
- PepinoPamplemousse

I'd want Hanifin.

Karlsson would return a boatload to the Sens.

He is arguably the best defenseman in the world. Yes he's slowed this year by recovery from a very serious surgery but in the big picture that's a blip on the radar.

I was serious about Matthews (for example) not being enough straight up considering where Matthews is in his career. In a few years maybe. Even then does anyone trade a great defenseman even up for a great forward?

Karlsson would probably return a top 3 forward, 1st, roster player and a prospect at a minimum.

Having said all that, I can't imagine why the Sens would trade him anyway. Yes it's going to cost Euge a ton to sign Erik. As much as he drives me nuts, Euge still spends in the top third of the league. He knows whats coming and you will see him spend it.

There are many factors (excuses) to account the Sens poor showing this year but Erik's mobility issues as he recovers may be the most debilitating for the team - a lot like Tampa was last year with Stamkos suffering from injury and the team missing the playoffs.

That is the only way I will compare Ottawa to Tampa. However, I'm not one who subscribes to the notion that last year was an anomaly for the Sens. Yes, they played above their heads at the end (and good on them) but they are also better than they are playing this year.

They are a playoff team with a fully healthy Karlsson (he's that good) but not without him.

Erik's not going anywhere.
- Storman

the leafs would be crazy to trade matthews based on the age and contract differences. talent aside, you have to take that into account in a cap world. it would be a non-starter.

but overall, i think your value on the trade market for 1.5 years of karlsson is high. i think it'll be much more futures based.

Personally..... I'd be happy with Marner and a 1st. I can't see us trading him to Toronto though. I know we've traded before, but I just can't see this fan base forgiving our best player going to Toronto.
- forbetterorWORSE

i could see the sens asking for marner. i think the leafs still say no.

Karlsson would return a boatload to the Sens.

He is arguably the best defenseman in the world. Yes he's slowed this year by recovery from a very serious surgery but in the big picture that's a blip on the radar.

I was serious about Matthews (for example) not being enough straight up considering where Matthews is in his career. In a few years maybe. Even then does anyone trade a great defenseman even up for a great forward?



Erik's not going anywhere.
- Storman

I'd trade Kalrsson for Mathews straight up.

i could see the sens asking for marner. i think the leafs still say no.
- Tumbleweed

If you have a chance to get arguably the best defenseman in the world for a forward who's not even your best player (I know he's still good), you gotta take it. Karlsson on the Leafs would put them in Tampas class, even subtracting Marner.

If you have a chance to get arguably the best defenseman in the world for a forward who's not even your best player (I know he's still good), you gotta take it. Karlsson on the Leafs would put them in Tampas class, even subtracting Marner.
- forbetterorWORSE

Karlsson feeding Mathews would be scary indeed.

If you have a chance to get arguably the best defenseman in the world for a forward who's not even your best player (I know he's still good), you gotta take it. Karlsson on the Leafs would put them in Tampas class, even subtracting Marner.
- forbetterorWORSE

Idk, if the leafs were really aggressive about pursuing karlsson for this year, I could see at the high-end paying something like Brown, 2 1sts and dermott.

I think you’d still be better off keeping those futures and not taking the risk on karlsson’s health and re-signing him to a big deal.

It’s a lot to pay for 1.5 years. If Karlsson was the only missing piece, I’d consider it. leafs still have other holes and i don't think we'd be in tampa's class...especially if we lost marner in the deal.

Maybe Washington is a better fit with time ticking on that core.

the leafs would be crazy to trade matthews based on the age and contract differences. talent aside, you have to take that into account in a cap world. it would be a non-starter.

but overall, i think your value on the trade market for 1.5 years of karlsson is high. i think it'll be much more futures based.
- Tumbleweed

Agree that the Leafs would be crazy to trade Matthews. He's the guy they have to build around.

Same deal with Karlsson. He's the centerpiece.

I actually think my value on the trade market is low. Let's face it, no team trading for Karlsson would only be looking at 1.5 years. It's a total package. Dorion knows that, so does Euge. Trading Karlsson for anything less would be a total desperation move.

Don't think it will happen.

Idk, if the leafs were really aggressive about pursuing karlsson for this year, I could see at the high-end paying something like Brown, 2 1sts and dermott.

I think you’d still be better off keeping those futures and not taking the risk on karlsson’s health and re-signing him to a big deal.

It’s a lot to pay for 1.5 years. If Karlsson was the only missing piece, I’d consider it. leafs still have other holes and i don't think we'd be in tampa's class...especially if we lost marner in the deal.

Maybe Washington is a better fit with time ticking on that core.
- Tumbleweed

Do they have much left to give up? Their prospect pool I'd imagine is pretty bare at this point.

Do they have much left to give up? Their prospect pool I'd imagine is pretty bare at this point.
- david22

burkakovsky, 2 1sts and a prospect. lucas johanssen was their 2016 1st. idk much about who they have other than a pretty good goalie prospect.

gives them 2 last kicks at the can with their current core. they can go full rebuild after that.

Agree that the Leafs would be crazy to trade Matthews. He's the guy they have to build around.

Same deal with Karlsson. He's the centerpiece.

I actually think my value on the trade market is low. Let's face it, no team trading for Karlsson would only be looking at 1.5 years. It's a total package. Dorion knows that, so does Euge. Trading Karlsson for anything less would be a total desperation move.

Don't think it will happen.
- Storman

dorion has been bad at trades, so i don't think he has the advantage.

dorion has been bad at trades, so i don't think he has the advantage.
- Tumbleweed

Don't think it has anything to do with Dorion's trading acumen.

It's just that the Sens aren't interested in trading Karlsson unless some GM blows his brains out and offers sun, moon and stars.

Don't think it has anything to do with Dorion's trading acumen.

It's just that the Sens aren't interested in trading Karlsson unless some GM blows his brains out and offers sun, moon and stars.
- Storman

Wrong.

Eklund has him going to Vegas

Wrong.

Eklund has him going to Vegas
- Tumbleweed

I'd want Hanifin.
- forbetterorWORSE

You wouldn't get Hanifin.

You'd get Faulk though.

Justin Faulk, 1st round Pick, Julien Gauthier or Jake Bean.

You wouldn't get Hanifin.

You'd get Faulk though.

Justin Faulk, 1st round Pick, Julien Gauthier or Jake Bean.
- PepinoPamplemousse

You wouldn't get karlsson than. You really think Carolina is on his list of teams??

You wouldn't get karlsson than. You really think Carolina is on his list of teams??
- forbetterorWORSE

No. Would be nice, but no. focus would be on trying to get Duchene, Hoffman or Brassard.

I'd trade Kalrsson for Mathews straight up.
- david22

I wouldn't have last year.

I wouldn't have last year.
- forbetterorWORSE

What a difference yet another serious ankle injury makes!