Do you pay EJ Gaines are let him walk ?
- SABRES 89

I was just thinking about that the other day. Like anything, it comes down to how much he wants. He looked quite good at times, and when he was out they missed him, but other times he looked like just a guy. They need to do something though; they only have White under contract next year. Well, and some guy who made the minimum.

well he shouldn't ask for as much because nobody's going to pay that and hed wind up scrambling on the last day but perception absolutely matters.

It's a fragile fan base, slightest thing could tick off the season ticket holders.
- Sabresfan-365

If you worry about the fans when running your organization, you will be sitting with them soon enough.

Sounds like you're worrying he might be like what happened to Murray last trade deadline based on 'reports' that could be entirely erroneous.

Ours (East Aurora) was once a year, and it was like Christmas
- jcragcrumple

Yeah, I had "free lunch" in middle-school and would only get school lunches on Wednesday... Where I could a get a free slice and then buy another.

You hear that homie? It pays to be poor.

Jbotts put the big ask out there. I like it. Keeps the tire beaters away and only serious offers will come in for him to focus on.
- lulags

That's not necessarily a good idea though. Many times other, sometimes even bigger deals, come out of a tire-kicking call.

If you worry about the fans when running your organization, you will be sitting with them soon enough.

Sounds like you're worrying he might like what happened to Murray last trade deadline based on 'reports' that could be entirely erroneous.
- kingcong39

This is completely misguided. if you don't worry about the fans at all you're screwed. There's a middle ground to it.

Can’t tell u how many teachers (etc)
I know who wait tables or bartend on the weekends

And now the Uber/Lyft & delivering for Skip & Grubhub is a way ppl are making extra cash now too

No, ppl are gonna go hang outside Home Depot
But there are reasonable things ppl can do

It’s still BS that college costs a crap ton of $$$ and puts most ppl in crazy debt
- jdfitz77

College is expensive but In this area you can go to ECC or NCCC for 2 years and go to UB for 2-4 years and not have too much debt.

A guy I work with went to canisius for teaching. He spent 50k more then me for the same degree. Why? Not everyone has to go to their “dream college”

You could knock off a lot of of the loan living at home till 23 and working 30-40 hours a week. Graduate with barely any debt. I just turned 33 so I’m not some old conservative man that’s out of touch. It’s been less then 10 years since I’ve been in college.

College is expensive but In this area you can go to ECC or NCCC for 2 years and go to UB for 2-4 years and not have too much debt.

A guy I work with went to canisius for teaching. He spent 50k more then me for the same degree. Why? Not everyone has to go to their “dream college”

You could knock off a lot of of the loan living at home till 23 and working 30-40 hours a week. Graduate with barely any debt. I just turned 33 so I’m not some old conservative man that’s out of touch. It’s been less then 10 years since I’ve been in college.
- Fattony1187

well he shouldn't ask for as much because nobody's going to pay that and hed wind up scrambling on the last day but perception absolutely matters.

It's a fragile fan base, slightest thing could tick off the season ticket holders.
- Sabresfan-365

Absolutely NOT his concern
Getting the most he can for Kane should be though

It’s his job to build a winner
That will make the season ticket holders (and everyone else) much happier than whether or not the expectations are met on a Kane trade return

I think you’re looking at this all wrong

The bottom line,
get as much as possible
For example:
Not gonna get a top prospect if U don’t ask
However:
It’s not like he will end up having to settle for a “c” prospect instead of a “b” one just bc his ask was high

This is completely misguided. if you don't worry about the fans at all you're screwed. There's a middle ground to it.
- Sabresfan-365

Does that middle ground include worrying about what you're asking in private getting exaggerated and leaked to an 'insider'?

The Life Coach is in session again.
- Hatboro_Swords

Always love your contributions

There's 90 MILLION unemployed adults in America

I know your brain has a hard time grasping things after 1980, but that also includes 20-30 years old who mostly can't find work because 60 year old men refuse to retire on their wonderful pensions they keep milking and it's destroying the job market

Not to mention, the working class is 90% of this country's workforce and they are uneducated and ignorant to the propaganda machine telling them there's gender wage-gaps (there really isn't), that women don't have equal opportunity (they do) and at the same time, men are exploited for child support by women who purposefully lock guys down knowing it's 18 years of extra income.

There aren't any jobs. The highest industry only employs about 4 million people and that's the health service industry IIRC.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Do we have to go to monster again and see all the (frank)ing jobs that no one can fill?

So, learn a (frank)ing trade: "There is an emerging consensus about the need for more skilled tradesmen to replace aging workers. Essentially, skilled tradesmen are retiring faster than they can be replaced. This has created career opportunities for machinists, welders, tool and die makers, and other skilled tradesmen. To help address this shortage, the Western New York Regional Economic Development Council is establishing a training institute to increase the talent pipeline for this critical area."

https://labor.ny.gov/stats/wny/index.shtm

Both my cousin and step-brother are in construction, but different sectors and they can't get competent people to work for them; they'll take any bumhole off the street because they're desperate for labor.

My cousin has been doing it for 15 years and the first 5 years he maybe worked 3 actual years because he got laid off so much because there were too many people. He hasn't been laid off, not even in the winter when it slows down, in 8 years. The jobs are out there. People are just too lazy to look, or they think working with their hands is somehow below them.

WNY is back to pre-recession job levels. Is it all sunshine and lollypops? No, but it's not the armageddon that you hear all the goddamn time either.

That 90 million people out of the job force number is wildly inaccurate. That includes old, retired people and students. That's a massive amount of people.

Does that middle ground include worrying about what you're asking in private getting exaggerated and leaked to an 'insider'?
- kingcong39

again we don't know what he's asking for sure and whether dreger or lebrun are exaggerating. its all pure speculation, thats pretty much the foundation of this site.

anyone want $10.20 to shovel my driveway?

anyone want $10.20 to shovel my driveway?
- robz228

I would but the bootstraps on my shoveling boots broke.

again we don't know what he's asking for sure and whether dreger or lebrun are exaggerating. its all pure speculation, thats pretty much the foundation of this site.
- Sabresfan-365

U think Botts will get a B prospect & a 1st, plus maybe a conditional pick...
right?

U tell me what you think he will get that’s less than that bc he asks for an “A” prospect instead?

I don’t think he will end up getting LESS of a return

But I thought illegals were taking all our jobs?
(Sarcasm)
- jdfitz77

They only take the jobs no one wants, like picking 40lb watermelons 14 hours a day in Alabama in the summer.

Just watch 5:35-9:00, it's like that everywhere. 3 minutes and 25 seconds, that's it.

U think Botts will get a B prospect & a 1st, plus maybe a conditional pick...
right?

U tell me what you think he will get that’s less than that bc he asks for an “A” prospect instead?

I don’t think he will end up getting LESS of a return
- jdfitz77

young fallen out of favour roster player (think dano) plus b level prospect or picks.

I don't think he will get less than the original one i mentioned either but it wouldn't surprise me if it went that way

They only take the jobs no one wants, like picking 40lb watermelons 14 hours a day in Alabama in the summer.

Just watch 5:35-9:00, it's like that everywhere. 3 minutes and 25 seconds, that's it.


- Wetbandit1

There are a lot of factors there.

7 bucks an hour sent home to Mexico/Honduras/Haiti is huge to them.

7 bucks an hour to an American for that kind of labor isn't worth it. If they want to attract competent American workers, they have to pay more, and yes, the commodity prices will increase, but the lawmakers should have known that.

The most frightening thing to me was the prison labor crew. Having an economy based on the need for prison labor encourages mass incarceration

They only take the jobs no one wants, like picking 40lb watermelons 14 hours a day in Alabama in the summer.

Just watch 5:35-9:00, it's like that everywhere. 3 minutes and 25 seconds, that's it.


- Wetbandit1

That’s why I put “Sarcasm” in ( )

young fallen out of favour roster player (think dano) plus b level prospect or picks.

I don't think he will get less than the original one i mentioned either but it wouldn't surprise me if it went that way
- Sabresfan-365

My point is...
that asking for MORE, can only get him more
It won’t get him LESS

So there’s no harm in doing it

There are a lot of factors there.

7 bucks an hour sent home to Mexico/Honduras/Haiti is huge to them.

7 bucks an hour to an American for that kind of labor isn't worth it. If they want to attract competent American workers, they have to pay more, and yes, the commodity prices will increase, but the lawmakers should have known that.

The most frightening thing to me was the prison labor crew. Having an economy based on the need for prison labor encourages mass incarceration
- jcragcrumple

And we are already the most highly incarcerated country in the world

- BeadyEyedDouche

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My sister is 26 graduated only 2 years ago. Barely has any college debt and is almost set at a down payment for a house.

But then again, she works a part time side job on the weekends that seem to be beneath you or all the other people that “can’t make it.”

maybe you missed where I tell people younger, to start a business or join the service instead of getting a degree


if you go after a degree, plan on many 80 hour work weeks til you catch up

plain and simple
- homiedclown

This only applies to bullpoop degrees like interior design, art history, literature, philosophy, phys ed...

Not actual, useful degrees. And I'm not even talking about tough ones like engineering, law, med, pharmacy. Hell an associate's in physical therapist assistant(tons of available jobs) and you can make $45K(that's the median salary for a PTA). Even with just a high school diploma you can make $25K as an aide. How many 18 year olds make $25K or more that aren't drug dealers?

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/h...-assistants-and-aides.htm

That’s why I put “Sarcasm” in ( )
- jdfitz77

I know, it wasn't really meant for you.

There are a lot of factors there.

7 bucks an hour sent home to Mexico/Honduras/Haiti is huge to them.

7 bucks an hour to an American for that kind of labor isn't worth it. If they want to attract competent American workers, they have to pay more, and yes, the commodity prices will increase, but the lawmakers should have known that.

The most frightening thing to me was the prison labor crew. Having an economy based on the need for prison labor encourages mass incarceration
- jcragcrumple

That's a whole other ball of wax.