If you can show me where I said they cant bench Shatty that would be great.

And seeing as there are 12 forwards and only 6 defenseman and Shatty is better than 3 of them it probably wouldn't be smart.
- mdw7413

Defensively I think he’s the worst on the team. When you take into account his offensive contributions he’s probably 3/4. But when he’s not producing offensively (27 games 0 goals 6 assists) he’s pretty useless.

Defensively I think he’s the worst on the team. When you take into account his offensive contributions he’s probably 3/4. But when he’s not producing offensively (27 games 0 goals 6 assists) he’s pretty useless.
- nyrangers9479

So if we are going by your standard, Buch with only 3 gs in his last 26 games should be benched even longer? I mean he is forward and is supposed to score. So we should probably trade him right.

So if we are going by your standard, Buch with only 3 gs in his last 26 games should be benched even longer? I mean he is forward and is supposed to score. So we should probably trade him right.
- mdw7413

Keep it up and you will be flagged for spewing logic on here... That's your last warning

Keep it up and you will be flagged for spewing logic on here... That's your last warning
- MiloslavHorava

I'm not sure how anyone could put a black and white standard on any player never mind different positions.

Defensively I think he’s the worst on the team. When you take into account his offensive contributions he’s probably 3/4. But when he’s not producing offensively (27 games 0 goals 6 assists) he’s pretty useless.
- nyrangers9479

look im trying to make a case for Buch here and this aint helping

look im trying to make a case for Buch here and this aint helping
- mrn22

So if we are going by your standard, Buch with only 3 gs in his last 26 games should be benched even longer? I mean he is forward and is supposed to score. So we should probably trade him right.
- mdw7413

3 G 8 assists his last 26. Not great by any means but he hasn't been a ghost. He's also a 22 year old kid that's in his 2nd season. I'm willing to be a lot more patient with him than some others. Even with his slump he's 3rd on the team in points.

I'm not sure how anyone could put a black and white standard on any player never mind different positions.
- mdw7413

It's not, Shattenkirk hasn't been good for a while now and he's not some defensive stalwart that is contributing in other areas. If he's not producing offensively he's not very useful to the team, Tommy F'ing Wingles beat him 1on1 for crying out loud.

Solid work Jan.

Shattenkirk is also a team leading -14

It's not, Shattenkirk hasn't been good for a while now and he's not some defensive stalwart that is contributing in other areas. If he's not producing offensively he's not very useful to the team, Tommy F'ing Wingles beat him 1on1 for crying out loud.
- nyrangers9479

You realize Shatty is first on the team with goals for a defenseman and 2nd to McDonagh in assits, but 1st in overall points. Sixth on the entire team in points. So you want to sit our most productive defenseman.

You see how that works. You use Buch's points for being 2nd on the team, but you hate Shattenkirk even though he leads the defenseman in points. Bit of a double standard?

You realize Shatty is first on the team with goals for a defenseman and 2nd to McDonagh in assits, but 1st in overall points. Sixth on the entire team in points. So you want to sit our most productive defenseman.

You see how that works. You use Buch's points for being 2nd on the team, but you hate Shattenkirk even though he leads the defenseman in points. Bit of a double standard?
- mdw7413

One of you people got loose again

http://www.nj.com/news/in...niversity_of_alabama.html

You realize Shatty is first on the team with goals for a defenseman and 2nd to McDonagh in assits, but 1st in overall points. Sixth on the entire team in points. So you want to sit our most productive defenseman.

You see how that works. You use Buch's points for being 2nd on the team, but you hate Shattenkirk even though he leads the defenseman in points. Bit of a double standard?
- mdw7413

#Nyrangers9479HatesAllStatsSimpleOrNot

One of you people got loose again

http://www.nj.com/news/in...niversity_of_alabama.html
- eichiefs9

RD showed up today..coincidence?

Shattenkirk is also a team leading -14
- nyrangers9479

if you remember correctly I also did not want to sign him fwiw

RD showed up today..coincidence?
- mdw7413

I know he always talked about riding a Harley, but I didn't know he was saying he had a racist-chick fetish

Keep it up and you will be flagged for spewing logic on here... That's your last warning
- MiloslavHorava

Pretty sure that's the first warning he's ever gotten about using logic.

Pretty sure that's the first warning he's ever gotten about using logic.
- Tonybere

So true.

if you remember correctly I also did not want to sign him fwiw
- mrn22

I wanted to sign him. For about a year before we did. However, I did not want the rest of the group to simultaneously SUCK at defense.
9479 likes to remind us how we said that Shatty would play with McD. But, the gist of that was that McD would make up for Shatty's defensive lapses. No one foresaw our current situation where Mac couldn't play the defensive side of the game.

I wanted to sign him. For about a year before we did. However, I did not want the rest of the group to simultaneously SUCK at defense.
9479 likes to remind us how we said that Shatty would play with McD. But, the gist of that was that McD would make up for Shatty's defensive lapses. No one foresaw our current situation where Mac couldn't play the defensive side of the game.
- Tonybere

AV and Lindy Ruff folks.

I wanted to sign him. For about a year before we did. However, I did not want the rest of the group to simultaneously SUCK at defense.
9479 likes to remind us how we said that Shatty would play with McD. But, the gist of that was that McD would make up for Shatty's defensive lapses. No one foresaw our current situation where Mac couldn't play the defensive side of the game.
- Tonybere

Mac has been brutal this year

the worst thing that could happen in the next month is them clinging to a WC spot by winning some and losing some, they need to head one way or another cause if they miss the deadline AND miss the playoffs they will be (frank)ed...

Mac has been brutal this year

the worst thing that could happen in the next month is them clinging to a WC spot by winning some and losing some, they need to head one way or another cause if they miss the deadline AND miss the playoffs they will be (frank)ed...
- mrn22

Personally, my ideal situation would be this -- they see where they are around the deadline, and even if they are hanging onto a playoff spot by a thread, they judiciously sell to look toward the future if they don't think they have a real shot at the Cup. What does that mean? You sell off a couple of rentals for picks, and still try to make the playoffs with what remains. If you don't, you don't. Trading one or two rentals doesn't mean they have no shot at playoff hockey. It hurts their chances, but they can still compete.

Personally, my ideal situation would be this -- they see where they are around the deadline, and even if they are hanging onto a playoff spot by a thread, they judiciously sell to look toward the future if they don't think they have a real shot at the Cup. What does that mean? You sell off a couple of rentals for picks, and still try to make the playoffs with what remains. If you don't, you don't. Trading one or two rentals doesn't mean they have no shot at playoff hockey. It hurts their chances, but they can still compete.
- Pete V

Or they trade all the Rentals and some of Mcdonagh, Zuccarrelo, Hayes and Miller. Thus leading to a complete rebuild.

Personally, my ideal situation would be this -- they see where they are around the deadline, and even if they are hanging onto a playoff spot by a thread, they judiciously sell to look toward the future if they don't think they have a real shot at the Cup. What does that mean? You sell off a couple of rentals for picks, and still try to make the playoffs with what remains. If you don't, you don't. Trading one or two rentals doesn't mean they have no shot at playoff hockey. It hurts their chances, but they can still compete.
- Pete V

thats probably what will happen Pete

then look at a Mcdonagh trade in the offseason

Personally, my ideal situation would be this -- they see where they are around the deadline, and even if they are hanging onto a playoff spot by a thread, they judiciously sell to look toward the future if they don't think they have a real shot at the Cup. What does that mean? You sell off a couple of rentals for picks, and still try to make the playoffs with what remains. If you don't, you don't. Trading one or two rentals doesn't mean they have no shot at playoff hockey. It hurts their chances, but they can still compete.
- Pete V

Would you trade Nash & Grabs?