Jean-Sebastien Dea just called up....hmmm
- MattStrat

Id bet money they’re gonna try to move G out of 3C and see if they’re good with Sheahan at 3C if JSD can bring more than Rowney did to that line. Mackey reported the other day that with the team on the rise, Ruth isn’t super married to making a trade and this is probably a move to get a better idea of what our team would look like if we just stayed pat.

I’d envision Letestu anchoring the 4th line and moving Sheahan up to 3C. It would make the team a lot better. If the asking price is right, I think a deal for Letestu is a no brainer.
- Victoro311

I brought up Letestu earlier in the season and was laughed at by a few, glad to see some people are coming around on the idea. I think he would be a good low end target to upgrade the bottom 6.

Kane has speed on the wing, can carry the puck, create his own shot and is a threat to score from the outside. Hornqvist needs to play with a puck carrier so he can do what he does best and that's to create havoc around the net. Both play with a lot of energy and both drive to the net but then 1 normally stays around the net while the other hunts down pucks. Both are physical but Kane has an edge to his game and will drop the gloves. Hornqvist does his best work within 10 feet of the net while Kane doesn't. Both are very good players but they're different
- willi

Conner Sheary. Too good to trade. Not good enough to play on the top 2 lines.

CBJ claims Jokinen. anyone else seeing this?

Conner Sheary. Too good to trade. Not good enough to play on the top 2 lines.
- Tojo.

I think Sheary is good enough for the top six depending who is on the other wing.

- j.boyd919

Surprising the difference they both have in the D zone. A lot of offensive is given up on Kane's side while Hornqvist gives up very little....if I'm reading that right

Surprising the difference they both have in the D zone. A lot of offensive is given up on Kane's side while Hornqvist gives up very little....if I'm reading that right
- willi

I was comparing their games as far as their tenacity, physicality and speed.

Surprising the difference they both have in the D zone. A lot of offensive is given up on Kane's side while Hornqvist gives up very little....if I'm reading that right
- willi

Remember that Hornqvist has played on vastly superior teams. Matters.

CBJ claims Jokinen. anyone else seeing this?
- so_buzz11

Just saw it on TSN. Kind of glad they claimed him. I would be disappointed if GMJR picked him up.

Just saw it on TSN. Kind of glad they claimed him. I would be disappointed if GMJR picked him up.
- simethos

Should we hand the cup to the jackets now? Lol

Conner Sheary. Too good to trade. Not good enough to play on the top 2 lines.
- Tojo.

THIS

Rust is due 2.5-3 million this offseason

Can't have too many tweeners at 3 million dollar price tags

Give me a bonafide Top 6 player such as Kane and a guy like Simon for similar combined money

Remember that Hornqvist has played on vastly superior teams. Matters.
- Victoro311

Does it matter though . I believe the chart shows offense given up while on the ice and in Kanes case most is created on his side while not nearly as much is created on the right side and vise vera for Hornqvist

THIS

Rust is due 2.5-3 million this offseason

Can't have too many tweeners at 3 million dollar price tags

Give me a bonafide Top 6 player such as Kane and a guy like Simon for similar combined money
- TheGame316

You make a good point that Simon is a similar type of guy. Young skilled player that probably isn't a top 6.

It’s a Mackey take, my dude. There’s no reason why having one makes the other more expendable than he would otherwise be. They can definitely coexist on the same line as we have seen and there’s no reason why they can’t play on separate lines either.

If Kane were to negotiate an extension pre trade, then sure. Kane is better than Sheary and we’d have the cap space to make it work, but if not, then just keep Sheary and go after him in UFA. It’s confirmed that the FO likes Kane and few contenders would be able to compete with the contract we could offer. He’d have to go to a rebuilding or bubble team to get more money, and I’d assume that he’s tired of that.
- Victoro311

Ha. I guess it was more about me thinking Sheary is a bit overrated and even though his contract is good value, its sizable enough to help facilitate a trade where we are bringing in salary.

In terms of being redundant...look at it this way...if we are looking at Kane would you rather send out Sheary or Hagelin? Both have been inconsistent (to say the least) but Hagelin brings more to the table when hes not scoring.

To be fair, I'm harsher on Sheary than most because I can't stand the bumbling of passes, falling down, and losing the puck when stickhandling. It's just agitating for a skill player.

Kane has speed on the wing, can carry the puck, create his own shot and is a threat to score from the outside. Hornqvist needs to play with a puck carrier so he can do what he does best and that's to create havoc around the net. Both play with a lot of energy and both drive to the net but then 1 normally stays around the net while the other hunts down pucks. Both are physical but Kane has an edge to his game and will drop the gloves. Hornqvist does his best work within 10 feet of the net while Kane doesn't. Both are very good players but they're different
- willi

Hornqvist toughest attribute, by far, is absorbing hits. He rarely lays a body check a la Kunitz. When he does he usually is the one to get knocked down. It's actually odd for a player of his size/build haha.

But what makes him unique is he can get checked, whacked, crosschecked, punched, and pushed around only to come up smiling. I don't see any comparison to Kane.

Murray away from team, father passed away.

Ha. I guess it was more about me thinking Sheary is a bit overrated and even though his contract is good value, its sizable enough to help facilitate a trade where we are bringing in salary.

In terms of being redundant...look at it this way...if we are looking at Kane would you rather send out Sheary or Hagelin? Both have been inconsistent (to say the least) but Hagelin brings more to the table when hes not scoring.

To be fair, I'm harsher on Sheary than most because I can't stand the bumbling of passes, falling down, and losing the puck when stickhandling. It's just agitating for a skill player.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Easily Hagelin. Still don’t get the hate on Sheary. Everyone sights him flubbing chances as the cardinal sin for him not being good enough, but he has a career shooting % well above the ~12% tick at like a 13.5%. Even this year it’s above 12%.

Easily Hagelin. Still don’t get the hate on Sheary. Everyone sights him flubbing chances as the cardinal sin for him not being good enough, but he has a career shooting % well above the ~12% tick at like a 13.5%. Even this year it’s above 12%.
- Victoro311

Which could be explained by only getting a shot off when conditions are perfect? A flubbed pass wouldnt reflect a missed shot, no?

Does it matter though . I believe the chart shows offense given up while on the ice and in Kanes case most is created on his side while not nearly as much is created on the right side and vise vera for Hornqvist
- willi

The top is shots for when they're on the ice, and the bottom is shots against. Shots with Horny on the ice primarily come from home plate where with Kane on the ice, the shots come from the the wing and right in front of the net. Individually, Kane shots a lot more, he's got like 176 compared to Horny's 136. The bottom is where the shots against when they're on the ice. Hornqvist isn't giving up a ton of shots while he's on the ice, but Kane gives up a lot from his LW point.

I think Hornqvist is superior defensively where Kane falls into that Trevor Daley'ish category where he plays high event hockey. Over the last 5 years Horny is a +48 and Kane is a -46 at 5v5. Some of that could be attributed to being on bad teams/good teams. But overall in my opinion, their raw production is very similar. Kane is undoubtedly a better transition player via entries/exits than Horny ever has been, and if Horny's decline is about to happen, than yeah, Kane is/will be better in the future. I would 100% rather commit to Kane than Horny as FAs. I'm just not sold on giving up cost controlled assets (which before GMJR came, was always the Pens achilles) to acquire Kane if he walks, what if he and Horny walk? And Sheary is now in Buffalo? Now you're out 3 players.

All this ripping apart the Pens 4th line this season and not one person wants to tell me which 4th line in hockey they think is the best...alright, alright.

I'd take Sheary over Hagelin. Sheary may have his flaws as a top 6 guy, but 3M is about right for the skill he brings. And as the team bounces back a bit, so might he.

Hagshas been good his past few games, but he's worth MAYBE half his salary.

I do see Sheary as a good trade chip. Simon may fit a similar role. He's not as fast and talented, but he is cheaper and the Pens can use the savings elsewhere.

But if there isn't a trade that makes sense, keeping Sheary is fine by me. Just because I think he's expendable doesn't mean I want to throw him away.

All this ripping apart the Pens 4th line this season and not one person wants to tell me which 4th line in hockey they think is the best...alright, alright.
- MattStrat

4th lines get switched up so often. The Leafs have a pretty good one in Moore Martin and Brown. Points wise anyway.

All this ripping apart the Pens 4th line this season and not one person wants to tell me which 4th line in hockey they think is the best...alright, alright.
- MattStrat

Probably Washington's or Minnesota's. They both have over 30 points as a line. St. Louis's is solid too. (Also using Dailyfaceoff.com's line combos for today to compare numbers, as someone else stated, 4th lines change) I know at one point Kunitz-Paquette-Callahan was a line and I think they'd be around 20-25 points right now. For comparisons sake, I think Pens 4th lines when Rowney/McKegg were centers were like 14'ish points. With Sheahan the line has looked much better, they're production is around 20ish.

Murray away from team, father passed away.
- kfinl170

It feels wrong to say but I already knew that sadly. hope Murray takes it easy while he is away and comes back stronger than ever with a new fire in his belly.