- systemtool

Wow

They had the 31st overall pick and they traded the 30th pick to get Andersen. That deal happens regardless.

So two AHLers, one of which might be a 3rd liner one day. They got robbed twice for Kessel.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...but the pick they got in the Kessel deal had value. And so much so they used it to get Andersen. So its 2 ahlers and the asset to get Andy. they did well in the end.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...but the pick they got in the Kessel deal had value. And so much so they used it to get Andersen. So its 2 ahlers and the asset to get Andy. they did well in the end.
- mykokes

I'm saying they had the 31st overall pick. They didn't need the 30th overall pick to get Andersen. Dealing Kessel to Pittsburgh had nothing to do with acquiring Andersen. That could have happened regardless.

It's not like they got a 5th overall pick and then traded it for Andersen. They basically got a 2nd round pick that they didn't even need to get Andersen.

Kessel should have brought back more and if his value was so bad that he couldn't get more at the time, he should have played one more season under Babcock, recovered his value and traded at the deadline or the draft for more than what they basically threw him away for.

I'm saying they had the 31st overall pick. They didn't need the 30th overall pick to get Andersen. Dealing Kessel to Pittsburgh had nothing to do with acquiring Andersen. That could have happened regardless.

It's not like they got a 5th overall pick and then traded it for Andersen. They basically got a 2nd round pick that they didn't even need to get Andersen.

Kessel should have brought back more and if his value was so bad that he couldn't get more at the time, he should have played one more season under Babcock, recovered his value and traded at the deadline or the draft for more than what they basically threw him away for.
- Unholy_Goalie

Regardless, it was an asset they acquired and flipped for Andersen. Owning the 31st pick has nothing to do with the kessel deal amigo.

As an aside, Kapanen still has potential to be a top 6 forward. Hes 21 yo, and in his last 67 ahl games he has 30 goals 34 assists.

Regardless, it was an asset they acquired and flipped for Andersen. Owning the 31st pick has nothing to do with the kessel deal amigo.

As an aside, Kapanen still has potential to be a top 6 forward. Hes 21 yo, and in his last 67 ahl games he has 30 goals 34 assists.
- mykokes

But you're saying it as if without the Kessel deal, they didn't have the "value" to acquire Andersen which is false. They had the 31st pick. If the Kessel deal never happens, they still get Andersen and can still get something else for Kessel. Trading Kessel was not required to acquire Andersen.

You're trying to equate Andersen's value to the Leafs today to what they got for Kessel but it doesn't work. Andersen, at the time, was an injury prone back-up that Anaheim had to move because they had a younger, cheaper, better option and the best they could do was a late 1st round pick. Andersen wasn't a lock to be what he is, he was a risk and a project. It's not like the Leafs traded Kessel for 5th overall and then traded 5th overall for Tuukka Rask.

The "value" of that pick is still not what Kessel was worth. They didn't get back an Alex Nylander or Matthew Tkachuk or any other top prospect that could one day replace his production.

It's nice that Kapanen has potential but the Leafs still didn't get value for Kessel. That's the guy who came in at a cost of Seguin and Hamilton and now we have Kapanen to show for it all while Kessel is winning Cups? They got (frank)ed twice.