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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 7:57 PM ET
I was half trolling.
- Wetbandit1


Lol
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:01 PM ET
For me, this part is entirely up to you not specifically you but yeah lol.

My guess is league wide different management teams and analytics departments value these stats differently

- Sabresfan-365


That’s why I get on Sbroads for “cherrypicking” stats

It’s not that the ones he posts are wrong
It’s just that sometimes they are really a good measure (imo at least)

For example...
the ppl that use Corsi
That’s really just a bigger sample size of +/-
But just bc it’s a bigger sample size,
doesn’t mean it’s accurate
Still a flawed stat when talking about individuals
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:04 PM ET
You’re making my point for me.

We know McCoy is better because over a larger sample he’s way better at the process, and eventually the results will show that

- sbroads24


But we also know that because we watch. Some guys good at the "process" are playing in the AHL right now.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:06 PM ET
The first one would be interesting... im not sure i follow what you mean by the second.

I imagine the no goal success of stopping zone entry is pretty much 99% unless your goaltender poops himself

- Sabresfan-365


I wrote that second one wrong for D men. I meant percentage of goal success for successful zone entries against a D man.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:07 PM ET
I never said routinely.

It doesn’t even have to mean “take over” games as much as just being the best player that night.

Some nights guys like Kuznetsov or Malkin or Ehlers look like they are a level above everyone else.

We don’t have that guy outside of Eichel.

- sbroads24


Oh, come on, pretty much every top 6F, top 4D, 1G fit that criteria.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:08 PM ET
I wrote that second one wrong for D men. I meant percentage of goal success for successful zone entries against a D man.
- kingcong39


That's not necessarily on the D-man unless it's a rush goal immediately after the opposing player beats the D-man at the line.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 13 @ 8:10 PM ET
I wrote that second one wrong for D men. I meant percentage of goal success for successful zone entries against a D man.
- kingcong39



Thats a tough one though because you could end up with a series of d-men who have high entry against numbers but low goal ones either because of quality of competition, goaltending, two way forwards.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 13 @ 8:11 PM ET
Oh, come on, pretty much every top 6F, top 4D, 1G fit that criteria.
- Wetbandit1

Really? I disagree but ok.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:12 PM ET
Look it up, it's on periscope
- washedup20


Funny him saying that with how much Pysyk was crushed as a player by this board for so long.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:13 PM ET
Really? I disagree but ok.
- sbroads24


About 95% of the time a goalie gets a shutout he's the best player on the ice. Or a guy racks up 3 points.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 13 @ 8:18 PM ET
About 95% of the time a goalie gets a shutout he's the best player on the ice. Or a guy racks up 3 points.
- Wetbandit1

A guy racking up 3 points doesn’t mean anything without context.

That’s exactly what I mean about O’Reilly. When he has his 3 point nights 3-4 times a year, it’s usually a PPG goal and a secondary assist mixed in.

He’s never super impressive to me.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:19 PM ET
A guy racking up 3 points doesn’t mean anything without context.

That’s exactly what I mean about O’Reilly. When he has his 3 point nights 3-4 times a year, it’s usually a PPG goal and a secondary assist mixed in.

He’s never super impressive to me.

- sbroads24


It's funny that context matters to the eye test.
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jan 13 @ 8:27 PM ET
watching rick's greatest calls always gives me goosebumps...i don't care how bad the Sabres are....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywopj0fOdak&t=159s
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:37 PM ET
It's funny that context matters to the eye test.
- Wetbandit1


It all comes back to the eye test for me
Stats should just be a guide imo
But some seem to use them as the end all, be all
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 13 @ 8:39 PM ET
Debating on who to root for tonight... Titans or Patriots.
On one hand I live in Titans land, on the other hand I love how much it pisses Bills fans off when the Pats win.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 13 @ 8:40 PM ET
It all comes back to the eye test for me
Stats should just be a guide imo
But some seem to use them as the end all, be all

- jdfitz77


You absolutely need both otherwise you wind up saying some really stupid poop like my location. FYI, one of the guys who said that now works for the Avs, suck it fatdeadmarsh


Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jan 13 @ 8:41 PM ET
so ullmark goes from first star in the NHL to 4 goals on 25 shots in the AHL
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:43 PM ET
watching rick's greatest calls always gives me goosebumps...i don't care how bad the Sabres are....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywopj0fOdak&t=159s

- feetontheair22


Every once in a while I’ll go back & watch highlights from the Briere/Drury days

If I ever see Golisano or Quinn,
they’re getting punched right in the nuts!

Still makes me mad how that team was dismantled
Darcy F’d that up too
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 13 @ 8:44 PM ET
so ullmark goes from first star in the NHL to 4 goals on 25 shots in the AHL
- Sabresfan-365

Trade him
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:45 PM ET
Debating on who to root for tonight... Titans or Patriots.
On one hand I live in Titans land, on the other hand I love how much it pisses Bills fans off when the Pats win.

- jochfr


So, cheer for the hometown team, or...

be a d!ck

Hmmmm
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:45 PM ET
You absolutely need both otherwise you wind up saying some really stupid poop like my location. FYI, one of the guys who said that now works for the Avs, suck it fatdeadmarsh
- Sabresfan-365


I’m on my phone
Doesn’t show me your location
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:47 PM ET
so ullmark goes from first star in the NHL to 4 goals on 25 shots in the AHL
- Sabresfan-365


Yikes
I don’t want him as our starter next year
Should at least be splitting time with someone
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:50 PM ET
I’m not sure anyone says it isn’t important

What they say is that signing players based on FO ability is really dumb because there isn’t a ton of variance.

The best team is the Jets at 52.8%. That’s slightly above 50%

The worst is 45.6%

The difference between the best and worst is like 2/3 FO wins per game

- sbroads24


52.2% bla bla

37.3% bla bla

All this = Bull💩

Go get some good players and you will start winning games!
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:54 PM ET
52.2% bla bla

37.3% bla bla

All this = Bull💩

Go get some good players and you will start winning games!

- Irish 14


I think we would all like more good players here
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 13 @ 9:02 PM ET
So, cheer for the hometown team, or...

be a d!ck

Hmmmm

- jdfitz77

You're awful judgmental....
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