Lol you can shake your head all you want - the guy was a beast in round 1 against the Bruins and against against the Pens with big GWGs

For 4 years @5.5-6m he's worth adding
- AlfieisKing

Tumble^ try reading articles and being informed. Rather than going with the masses (ignorant) group of people who chalk it up to being too old, slow, or whatever the simple, often incorrect reason is. The guy has been playing injured and when he isn't, and is going (the playoffs) he's a top 6 forward on any team. He has a grossly overpaid contract and has confidence issues but I would take him on my team at 5.5-5.75m (healthy!) for 4 years no question

Nov 13 - Bobby Ryan (broken finger) appears to be close to a return

Ryan has missed the last eight games with a broken finger, but he will be ready to return Thursday night versus Pittsburgh. It will be interesting to see if he returns to a combination with Derick Brassard or if he gets look alongside Matt Duchene.

He hasn't played since Oct. 21 because of a broken finger. Ryan has six assists and no goals in eight outings this year. So 6 points in 8 games with injury still there.

Dec 6 - Ryan took a slash from Nick Leddy yesterday. X-rays came back negative but head coach Guy Boucher said he might miss the game because of soreness. We'll know more tomorrow prior to puck drop. Ryan has one goal and eight points in 16 games so far this season.

Dec 17 - Bobby Ryan scored his third goal of the season in the Ottawa Senators 3-0 defeat of the Montreal Canadiens during Saturday night's NHL100 Classic at Lansdowne Park in Ottawa. Back to back goals for Ryan

Dec 22 - Bobby Ryan suffered a finger injury in Thursday's game against Tampa Bay.

Dec 27 - Bobby Ryan (finger) will make his return on Wednesday.

Dec 30 - Bobby Ryan had a goal and five shots in Friday's 5-4 triumph over the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Jan 10 - Bobby Ryan injured and no timetable for return. This is Ryan's third hand injury in 12 months and seventh since 2014.

Tumble^ try reading articles and being informed. Rather than going with the masses (ignorant) group of people who chalk it up to being too old, slow, or whatever the simple, often incorrect reason is. The guy has been playing injured and when he isn't, and is going (the playoffs) he's a top 6 forward on any team. He has a grossly overpaid contract and has confidence issues but I would take him on my team at 5.5-5.75m (healthy!) for 4 years no question

Nov 13 - Bobby Ryan (broken finger) appears to be close to a return

Ryan has missed the last eight games with a broken finger, but he will be ready to return Thursday night versus Pittsburgh. It will be interesting to see if he returns to a combination with Derick Brassard or if he gets look alongside Matt Duchene.

He hasn't played since Oct. 21 because of a broken finger. Ryan has six assists and no goals in eight outings this year. So 6 points in 8 games with injury still there.

Dec 6 - Ryan took a slash from Nick Leddy yesterday. X-rays came back negative but head coach Guy Boucher said he might miss the game because of soreness. We'll know more tomorrow prior to puck drop. Ryan has one goal and eight points in 16 games so far this season.

Dec 17 - Bobby Ryan scored his third goal of the season in the Ottawa Senators 3-0 defeat of the Montreal Canadiens during Saturday night's NHL100 Classic at Lansdowne Park in Ottawa. Back to back goals for Ryan

Dec 22 - Bobby Ryan suffered a finger injury in Thursday's game against Tampa Bay.

Dec 27 - Bobby Ryan (finger) will make his return on Wednesday.

Dec 30 - Bobby Ryan had a goal and five shots in Friday's 5-4 triumph over the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Jan 10 - Bobby Ryan injured and no timetable for return. This is Ryan's third hand injury in 12 months and seventh since 2014.
- AlfieisKing

You know what the problem with guys that are always injured is?












They are always injured.

You know what the problem with guys that are always injured is?



They are always injured.
- Tumbleweed

There's always two sides to a coin. And I agree, he's not worth the contract. But I think McPhee could benefit from getting him and flipping him out east

Hypothetical here:

To Edm: Mike Hoffman, Cody Ceci
To NYI: Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Logan Brown, 2020 2nd round pick [EDM]
To OTT: John Tavares, Oscar Klebom
*Dorion allowed to talk to Johnny T resigns Tavraes 8 [email protected]
*Resign Karlsson 8 [email protected]

Duchene - Tavares - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White

Klefbom - Karlsson
Chabot - Phanuef

Edm wins this deal.
Ott wins this deal.
NYI only win the deal if Tavares isn't going to resign. Doubt he goes anywhere though, still fun to talk about

There's always two sides to a coin. And I agree, he's not worth the contract. But I think McPhee could benefit from getting him and flipping him out east
- AlfieisKing

Hypothetical here:

To Edm: Mike Hoffman, Cody Ceci
To NYI: Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Logan Brown, 2020 2nd round pick
- AlfieisKing[EDM]
To OTT: John Tavares, Oscar Klebom
*Dorion allowed to talk to Johnny T resigns Tavraes 8 [email protected]
*Resign Karlsson 8 [email protected]

Duchene - Tavares - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White

Klefbom - Karlsson
Chabot - Phanuef

Edm wins this deal.
Ott wins this deal.
NYI only win the deal if Tavares isn't going to resign. Doubt he goes anywhere though, still fun to talk about

There's always two sides to a coin. And I agree, he's not worth the contract. But I think McPhee could benefit from getting him and flipping him out east
- AlfieisKing

I admire the thought you put into scenarios, but your Ryan stuff is very far fetched. Ugly contracts are ugly contracts. Can’t really do anything about it.

Sens have to try moving some of their less expensive/cap unfriendly contracts. There will be come interest in guys like Smith, Pag, etc.

Hypothetical here:

To Edm: Mike Hoffman, Cody Ceci
To NYI: Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Logan Brown, 2020 2nd round pick
- AlfieisKing[EDM]
To OTT: John Tavares, Oscar Klebom
*Dorion allowed to talk to Johnny T resigns Tavraes 8 [email protected]
*Resign Karlsson 8 [email protected]

Duchene - Tavares - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White

Klefbom - Karlsson
Chabot - Phanuef

Edm wins this deal.
Ott wins this deal.
NYI only win the deal if Tavares isn't going to resign. Doubt he goes anywhere though, still fun to talk about

Is this satire?

1) Bobby Ryan makes 7.25 / year
2) He has played with a broken hand for god knows how long - I don't get why but having an owner that demands playoff revenue doesn't help

3) Dustin Brown was putting up less than 15 goals a season while making around what I'm suggesting Ryan would make against the cap. Ryan could easily score 20-22g a season while potting 50-55 points on a team that has good offensive players.

Philly - he's close friends with Giroux
Pitts - Crosby Malkin Kessel would all benefit from his playmaking
WAS - Again, OV + Backstrom
TB - Tons of fit there; played with Condra

The possibilities are there. Sens retain 750K and he goes to Vegas at a 6.5 cap hit. Then Vegas could retain same amount and move him to any team to the east, or if they retain 1-1.25m he becomes an asset many other teams would look to add. Again a change of scenery and he starts scoring like he did in the playoffs, there's plenty of calls for him, no doubt about that
- AlfieisKing

No man sorry.

1) cool, 250k off does not change a damn thing

2) wow, a broken hand for the past 6 years? No excuses.

3)lol, comparing one brutal contract to another brutal contract? If the Kings could move Brown they would.....however he is a King for life

For the last time no team wants to trade for a player who can't even score 20 goals consistently...2 out of 6 seasons is downright awful. And 50 points? There are tons of guys in the NHL who can score at that clip and for 4 million cheaper.

Ryan is a Sen for life so keep your Ryan jersey

- Tumbleweed

He was a beast in a playoff series!!! That changes everything!

Bickell was a beast as well....

There's always two sides to a coin. And I agree, he's not worth the contract. But I think McPhee could benefit from getting him and flipping him out east
- AlfieisKing

Not a chance. Turn to FA where you can overpay and still get a better player than a retained Ryan.

No man sorry.

1) cool, 250k off does not change a damn thing

2) wow, a broken hand for the past 6 years? No excuses.

3)lol, comparing one brutal contract to another brutal contract? If the Kings could move Brown they would.....however he is a King for life
- Santo_44

Are you talking about the Brown that had back to back 11 goal seasons or the 33 year old that's on pace for 30 goals and 2nd behind Kopitar for most points on the team

People can say what they want about Ryan and his contract - when healthy he's proven he can play huge. He did so in the playoffs. I'll hear what people who say him play have to say. I think we'll disagree - if he rehabs the hand and doesn't have a 7.25 contract attached to his name, he is a useful player

^ Similar case is Eric Staal. Everyone thought he was done being a legit top 6 forward after his stint with the Rangers. He signs a short contract with the wild and proves he's still got it. He had that mammoth contract and it changes our perceptions big time. People can talk all they want but no one thought Clarkson could be moved - it would be difficult but not impossible

Are you talking about the Brown that had back to back 11 goal seasons or the 33 year old that's on pace for 30 goals and 2nd behind Kopitar for most points on the team

People can say what they want about Ryan and his contract - when healthy he's proven he can play huge. He did so in the playoffs. I'll hear what people who say him play have to say. I think we'll disagree - if he rehabs the hand and doesn't have a 7.25 contract attached to his name, he is a useful player
- AlfieisKing

Dude......it's been 40 games. Extremely small sample size.If he can do it consistently year after year than great. I'd sign up to bet agasint that any day of the week.


And no man just no. Don't compare Staal, in fact, thanks for bringing this up because it proves my point 100%. he was a free agent and after ONE bad season he managed to only get 3.5 for three years on the open market as a CENTER.

Who would trade for a long term contract at 7.25 million for a guy who has been poop for years.....

If Staal, a center, who only was bad for one year could only get 3.5 million for 3 years. Why in the blue (frank) would a team trade for Ryan, a winger, 7.25 million, for 5 years.

Ryan will be a sen for life, you can be hopefull if you want but it ain't happening. Sorry.

And LOL, the only way Clarkson was going to be moved was if they traded for a guy that 100% was never going to play again because of injury.

If your cheap owner can find a player that's never going to play again at a 7.25 million cap hit then great. Will never happen.

^ my original point / plan

(A) You trade for Ryan with OTT retaining 0.75-1.25m

(B) Vegas (the team I suggested) adds a top 6 forward that has a good attitude and a good teammate. 4 more years @6-6.25m

(C) You play him on a team that has nothing to lose and people have written them off (exactly the type of place Ryan could thrive) he scores like he did in the playoffs which I fully believe he would

(D) In the summer you are willing to retain a bit of his contract (500-750k) making him a 5.75m

(E) end result: Sens have up to 1m on books for 4 years. Vegas has 750k on the books; got a deadline top 6F without giving up assets; also will get assets trading Ryan back to the east after his stock has risen and he's going to be 4 years @5.5m. Many teams would be able to swing that and he would be under the radar vs him being criticized on the daily here

^ my original point / plan

(A) You trade for Ryan with OTT retaining 0.75-1.25m

(B) Vegas (the team I suggested) adds a top 6 forward that has a good attitude and a good teammate. 4 more years @6-6.25m

(C) You play him on a team that has nothing to lose and people have written them off (exactly the type of place Ryan could thrive) he scores like he did in the playoffs which I fully believe he would

(D) In the summer you are willing to retain a bit of his contract (500-750k) making him a 5.75m

(E) end result: Sens have up to 1m on books for 4 years. Vegas has 750k on the books; got a deadline top 6F without giving up assets; also will get assets trading Ryan back to the east after his stock has risen and he's going to be 4 years @5.5m. Many teams would be able to swing that and he would be under the radar vs him being criticized on the daily here
- AlfieisKing

Dude, no one wants Ryan at 6.25 million either. If no one is willing to give Eric Staal more than 3.5 million for FREE. No one will take Ryan at anything more than 3.5 million.

No one is takjing a gamble on a player who has sucked and is injury prone at such a high cap hit and term. He is going to be 35 when his contact ends ffs.

I understand people will be homers towards their own teams, but come on man. Its a salary cap league. Every penny is valauble and no team is going to waste it on bobby (frank)ing Ryan.

And 6 goals in 19 games in the playoffs. Whoopty doo. Extremely small sample size and 6 goals is not even anything special.

^ my original point / plan

(A) You trade for Ryan with OTT retaining 0.75-1.25m

(B) Vegas (the team I suggested) adds a top 6 forward that has a good attitude and a good teammate. 4 more years @6-6.25m

(C) You play him on a team that has nothing to lose and people have written them off (exactly the type of place Ryan could thrive) he scores like he did in the playoffs which I fully believe he would

(D) In the summer you are willing to retain a bit of his contract (500-750k) making him a 5.75m

(E) end result: Sens have up to 1m on books for 4 years. Vegas has 750k on the books; got a deadline top 6F without giving up assets; also will get assets trading Ryan back to the east after his stock has risen and he's going to be 4 years @5.5m. Many teams would be able to swing that and he would be under the radar vs him being criticized on the daily here
- AlfieisKing

I hate to agree with Leaf fans, but you are trying to run on water here.

No way Vegas adds Ryan with the successful year they are having and will have to resign a lot of their team in the next year or two to raises.

I have also never seen multiple teams retain a certain guys contract in multiple deals. Wouldn't the cap hit be the same? Not entirely sure.

Dude, no one wants Ryan at 6.25 million either. If no one is willing to give Eric Staal more than 3.5 million for FREE. No one will take Ryan at anything more than 3.5 million.

No one is takjing a gamble on a player who has sucked and is injury prone at such a high cap hit and term. He is going to be 35 when his contact ends ffs.

I understand people will be homers towards their own teams, but come on man. Its a salary cap league. Every penny is valauble and no team is going to waste it on bobby (frank)ing Ryan.

And 6 goals in 19 games in the playoffs. Whoopty doo. Extremely small sample size and 6 goals is not even anything special.
- Santo_44

I hear what your saying
but there's a big difference between a guy who hasn't scored a playoff goal since 2009 and a guy that just scored a beauty OT winner against the defending cup champs.

Ryan to me needs to be healthy, motivated, and playing on a good team - something that would make him put up much higher numbers in the regular season.

I hear what your saying
but there's a big difference between a guy who hasn't scored a playoff goal since 2009 and a guy that just scored a beauty OT winner against the defending cup champs.

Ryan to me needs to be healthy, motivated, and playing on a good team - something that would make him put up much higher numbers in the regular season.
- AlfieisKing

I can't see a team gamble on such a risky player.

It isn't worth it for any team in the salary cap era.

Ryan and Phaneuf will be in OTT for the long haul. If the team rebuilds it doesn't really matter a whole lot. If they try and compete it will be difficult maneuvering around those contracts.

26 million tied up to Karlsonn, Phaneuf, Ryan if EK65 resigns

I hear what your saying
but there's a big difference between a guy who hasn't scored a playoff goal since 2009 and a guy that just scored a beauty OT winner against the defending cup champs.

Ryan to me needs to be healthy, motivated, and playing on a good team - something that would make him put up much higher numbers in the regular season.
- AlfieisKing

Paul martin and boedker for ryan $1m retained.

Paul martin and boedker for ryan $1m retained.
- Tumbleweed

I respect a man willing to think outside the box

at this point any trade showing fans their serious about change would be awesome

I hate to agree with Leaf fans, but you are trying to run on water here.

No way Vegas adds Ryan with the successful year they are having and will have to resign a lot of their team in the next year or two to raises.

I have also never seen multiple teams retain a certain guys contract in multiple deals. Wouldn't the cap hit be the same? Not entirely sure.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Fair points gord

I just think Ryan has the skill set to be a strong 2nd line winger. His issues are confidence and now hand issues > not that he is too old or slow (which some people who don't watch him play believe)

Fair points gord

I just think Ryan has the skill set to be a strong 2nd line winger. His issues are confidence and now hand issues > not that he is too old or slow (which some people who don't watch him play believe)
- AlfieisKing

If you saw him at the start of the year he was flying out there, certainly not slow. He just isn't a graceful skater.

Ryan has the skill set to be a #1 liner. His problem is 100% confidence and his hand.

I also think his huge contract is part of the problem with his confidence, because no matter what he does, he'll never live up to the contract

^ my original point / plan

(A) You trade for Ryan with OTT retaining 0.75-1.25m

(B) Vegas (the team I suggested) adds a top 6 forward that has a good attitude and a good teammate. 4 more years @6-6.25m

(C) You play him on a team that has nothing to lose and people have written them off (exactly the type of place Ryan could thrive) he scores like he did in the playoffs which I fully believe he would

(D) In the summer you are willing to retain a bit of his contract (500-750k) making him a 5.75m

(E) end result: Sens have up to 1m on books for 4 years. Vegas has 750k on the books; got a deadline top 6F without giving up assets; also will get assets trading Ryan back to the east after his stock has risen and he's going to be 4 years @5.5m. Many teams would be able to swing that and he would be under the radar vs him being criticized on the daily here
- AlfieisKing

Please stop