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poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 13 @ 8:38 PM ET
“I’ll play anywhere. I wouldn’t refuse to go anywhere in the world or anywhere in the East,” Brassard said. “I have really good memories of playing in Columbus, we had a lot of fun.”

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ill-play-hockey-anywhere/

- Tumbleweed

Thats just talking about if he were to be traded.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 13 @ 8:44 PM ET
Thats just talking about if he were to be traded.
- poisondhearts37


Saying he would waive to go anywhere?

Not usually what you say with 1.5 years left on a deal .

Sens are falling apart
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 13 @ 9:01 PM ET
Saying he would waive to go anywhere?

Not usually what you say with 1.5 years left on a deal .

Sens are falling apart

- Tumbleweed

Ehh. Who cares. Sens are done for. Owner is burning it down.
forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Jan 13 @ 9:13 PM ET
Ehh. Who cares. Sens are done for. Owner is burning it down.
- poisondhearts37

Nothing positive is going to happen with this team until Melnyk is gone.
TheCalSen
Ottawa Senators
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 05.07.2014

Jan 13 @ 9:53 PM ET
Saying he would waive to go anywhere?

Not usually what you say with 1.5 years left on a deal .

Sens are falling apart

- Tumbleweed


If you call this falling apart, what was Toronto going through for over half a century.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 10:34 PM ET
Trading Hoffman would be a mistake for four reasons.
#1. This team has a scoring problem, why would we trade our best goal scorer?
#2. He's got chemistry with Duchene
#3. He has a fair cap friendly contract for his performance level
#4. He is as much of a cornerstone of this team as Stone, Ryan, Duchene are.

If you are going to trade someone, trade Smith, Burrows, Ryan, etc
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 13 @ 10:38 PM ET
Trading Hoffman would be a mistake for four reasons.
#1. This team has a scoring problem, why would we trade our best goal scorer?
#2. He's got chemistry with Duchene
#3. He has a fair cap friendly contract for his performance level
#4. He is as much of a cornerstone of this team as Stone, Ryan, Duchene are.

If you are going to trade someone, trade Smith, Burrows, Ryan, etc

- Maverick1818

I agree. But I think his name comes up because he would be the easiest to trade with the best return. If the team is truly trying to shed salary.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 13 @ 10:51 PM ET
If you call this falling apart, what was Toronto going through for over half a century.
- TheCalSen


Same place the sens are now


And it's going to get worse before it gets better
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 13 @ 10:52 PM ET
I agree. But I think his name comes up because he would be the easiest to trade with the best return. If the team is truly trying to shed salary.
- poisondhearts37


This
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 11:05 PM ET
I agree. But I think his name comes up because he would be the easiest to trade with the best return. If the team is truly trying to shed salary.
- poisondhearts37

I get it but the thing is, they don't really need to shed salary like that, they need to shed salary in guys who are over paid and under performing like Burrows (who should have never been signed), Smith (who got a pay day based on one really good season), etc
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 13 @ 11:35 PM ET
I get it but the thing is, they don't really need to shed salary like that, they need to shed salary in guys who are over paid and under performing like Burrows (who should have never been signed), Smith (who got a pay day based on one really good season), etc
- Maverick1818

yeah but how wants over paid guys that even Ottawa dont want.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:07 AM ET
To soon for those to be impacts that soon.
- poisondhearts37

Chabot will be a top 4D on any team at the start of next season; top 2 pairing by the end if healthy and as hungry.

White and Brown are pieces that need to see quality mins. I see more upside in Brown but more likelihood White has impact at the NHL sooner.

Then again, it's hard to tell with young players. With respect to top 6-8 picks, Werenski, Provorov, Hannafin, McAvoy, all doing well in short order. I don't see why Boqvist, Dobson won't do the same. If the Sens crack into the top 5, the player could make an impact by the 2020 playoffs.

But yes, if the Sens are expecting a player to come in an make an impact, it has to be a top 2 pick. The sad fact is, if Dorion doesn't make some moves, they get a pick around 8-10 and that doesn't do much beside provide them with a top6F or top 4 D-man way down the road (2020-2021 season) Hope that doesn't happen - or worse they don't keep the pick and it goes to the Avs.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:09 AM ET
I get it but the thing is, they don't really need to shed salary like that, they need to shed salary in guys who are over paid and under performing like Burrows (who should have never been signed), Smith (who got a pay day based on one really good season), etc
- Maverick1818

Burrows will be a salary dump (although I'd like him as a rental)

Smith is a solid piece for contending teams. Solid faceoffs, PK, and shutdown guy with grit. Many teams would have interest

Other than that I would hold onto Hoffman and I would try desperately to move Ryan. Again Vegas would make sense
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 14 @ 5:54 AM ET
If you assume forwards hit their career peak performance level around age 28 (for forwards) and a little older for Dmen. For elite players their very best year profiles out at around age 25.

If you want to win a Stanley Cup your reset has to be comprehensive. It means for the next few years you avoid signing any long term deals with players over the age of 25. You don't worry about short term deals (3 years or less) that overpay for veteran experience. Contract term is always a more important consideration than the actual dollars paid.

It is a three year commitment to missing the playoffs. No guarantee that you make the playoffs in year four or five.

The formula was written back when the salary cap was first adopted.

Dealing Karlsson this offseason is a huge start. I think Buffalo and Edmonton are the likely leading contenders. Both are able to to do huge deals. Both would become immediate contenders if they added a Karlsson on their back end.

I know it sounds arbitrary, even brutal. But rebuild means tear down first.

Unless the draft pick this year is top 3 they should let it go to Colorado.

- spatso


do what you did last time. pull a suck and switch teams. then troll the hell out your old team you ditched.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 14 @ 9:18 AM ET
do what you did last time. pull a suck and switch teams. then troll the hell out your old team you ditched.
- systemtool



Stop feeling sorry for yourself. I am sorry I hurt your feelings. But at some point you need to grow and take responsibility for yourself. I have no animus towards the Leafs as a team. However, I do not have much patience with Leaf media.

I do expect the standard Leaf late season crash and burn.


Sens are my team and happy to stay with them during the rebuild. Especially anxious to be able to witness the departure of Hugeen Melnyk. We can give him bacon and onions with his liver if he will just promise to go away.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 14 @ 10:12 AM ET
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. I am sorry I hurt your feelings. But at some point you need to grow and take responsibility for yourself. I have no animus towards the Leafs as a team. However, I do not have much patience with Leaf media.

I do expect the standard Leaf late season crash and burn.


Sens are my team and happy to stay with them during the rebuild. Especially anxious to be able to witness the departure of Hugeen Melnyk. We can give him bacon and onions with his liver if he will just promise to go away.

- spatso



typical spatso nonsense. your true colours come out. sorry the sens and leafs have hurt your feelings this year.

just not sure what my feelings have to do with your actions of the past, but as usual you make up false claims and run with it.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 14 @ 10:43 AM ET
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. I am sorry I hurt your feelings. But at some point you need to grow and take responsibility for yourself. I have no animus towards the Leafs as a team. However, I do not have much patience with Leaf media.

I do expect the standard Leaf late season crash and burn.


Sens are my team and happy to stay with them during the rebuild. Especially anxious to be able to witness the departure of Hugeen Melnyk. We can give him bacon and onions with his liver if he will just promise to go away.

- spatso


This is why the rest of the league laughs at and ridicules Leaf fans. At least, look at the numbers and game situations. To suggest Liljegren or Dermott can ever be as good as Chabot and Jaros is feeble.

This is why I keep telling you the scoreboard matters. Look at the numbers. The Leaf D was a huge fail on the evening. To say anything else is denial.

Reilly and Hainsey are not a top pairing.

It is fine to say Leaf defense needs some work. Everybody knows it is preseason. Once the real games start the Sens along with Phaneuf will be miles bettee than the Leafs. And again we'll see Rielly fail without Phaneuf.

- spatso

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 14 @ 11:56 AM ET
typical spatso nonsense. your true colours come out. sorry the sens and leafs have hurt your feelings this year.

just not sure what my feelings have to do with your actions of the past, but as usual you make up false claims and run with it.

- systemtool


So, yesterday.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
So, yesterday.
- spatso



so, hiding. so, avoiding.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jan 14 @ 3:05 PM ET
Whether some might not agree or not, Ryan always has his contract and the talk around it in the back of his mind.

Given his performance last year in the playoffs and his desperate need for a change in scenery - I disagree. I think it would make sense from a hockey standpoint to trade for Ryan (IF you have $ to play with - which Vegas does). Similar to the Methot pick up, you could easily turn around and move out. IF he was to put up points, which I believe playing on Vegas he would, you turn around and trade him in the summer (with some of his salary retained)

- AlfieisKing


No one is taking Ryan unless they retain 50% of his contract and even then not many teams want to commit years to a guy who is getting worse and worse.

Ryan is going to be a Sen for the remainder of his contract.

Why the (frank) would a team trade for a 7.5 million dollar contract of a player who has only gotten over 20 goals twice over the past 6 seasons and not over 25 goals at all.....

Teams will overpay in free agency for free for a guy who can get them 30 goals 60 points gaurenteed.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jan 14 @ 3:06 PM ET
If you call this falling apart, what was Toronto going through for over half a century.
- TheCalSen

It sucked, glad it's behind us and have a promising future. That comment didn't bother leaf fans anymore.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jan 14 @ 3:07 PM ET
I get it but the thing is, they don't really need to shed salary like that, they need to shed salary in guys who are over paid and under performing like Burrows (who should have never been signed), Smith (who got a pay day based on one really good season), etc
- Maverick1818

Nobody wants those contracts.

If the Sens don't want them why would any other team want them
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 14 @ 4:55 PM ET
No one is taking Ryan unless they retain 50% of his contract and even then not many teams want to commit years to a guy who is getting worse and worse.

Ryan is going to be a Sen for the remainder of his contract.

Why the (frank) would a team trade for a 7.5 million dollar contract of a player who has only gotten over 20 goals twice over the past 6 seasons and not over 25 goals at all.....

Teams will overpay in free agency for free for a guy who can get them 30 goals 60 points gaurenteed.

- Santo_44

1) Bobby Ryan makes 7.25 / year
2) He has played with a broken hand for god knows how long - I don't get why but having an owner that demands playoff revenue doesn't help

3) Dustin Brown was putting up less than 15 goals a season while making around what I'm suggesting Ryan would make against the cap. Ryan could easily score 20-22g a season while potting 50-55 points on a team that has good offensive players.

Philly - he's close friends with Giroux
Pitts - Crosby Malkin Kessel would all benefit from his playmaking
WAS - Again, OV + Backstrom
TB - Tons of fit there; played with Condra

The possibilities are there. Sens retain 750K and he goes to Vegas at a 6.5 cap hit. Then Vegas could retain same amount and move him to any team to the east, or if they retain 1-1.25m he becomes an asset many other teams would look to add. Again a change of scenery and he starts scoring like he did in the playoffs, there's plenty of calls for him, no doubt about that
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 14 @ 5:02 PM ET
1) Bobby Ryan makes 7.25 / year
2) He has played with a broken hand for god knows how long - I don't get why but having an owner that demands playoff revenue doesn't help

3) Dustin Brown was putting up less than 15 goals a season while making around what I'm suggesting Ryan would make against the cap. Ryan could easily score 20-22g a season while potting 50-55 points on a team that has good offensive players.

Philly - he's close friends with Giroux
Pitts - Crosby Malkin Kessel would all benefit from his playmaking
WAS - Again, OV + Backstrom
TB - Tons of fit there; played with Condra

The possibilities are there. Sens retain 750K and he goes to Vegas at a 6.5 cap hit. Then Vegas could retain same amount and move him to any team to the east, or if they retain 1-1.25m he becomes an asset many other teams would look to add. Again a change of scenery and he starts scoring like he did in the playoffs, there's plenty of calls for him, no doubt about that

- AlfieisKing


AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:36 PM ET

- Tumbleweed

Lol you can shake your head all you want - the guy was a beast in round 1 against the Bruins and against against the Pens with big GWGs

For 4 years @5.5-6m he's worth adding
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