But that's what Gardiner already is. And he's younger. And creates more offense. And isn't injured. And doesn't have a NMC. And costs slightly less.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner is an ENORMOUS defensive liability 💩

Gardiner is an ENORMOUS defensive liability 💩
- mr.sir

That's an exaggeration and doesn't take into account his positive attributes.

Gardiner is 2nd in assists and points among Leaf defenders and he's been on the ice for 49 goals for and 42 goals against. Could he give the puck away less? Absolutely, but, he's still more positive than he is negative. Last year, he was on the ice for 109 goals for and only 58 against. That's where we'd like to have him but players have up and down years.

That's an exaggeration and doesn't take into account his positive attributes.

Gardiner is 2nd in assists and points among Leaf defenders and he's been on the ice for 49 goals for and 42 goals against. Could he give the puck away less? Absolutely, but, he's still more positive than he is negative. Last year, he was on the ice for 109 goals for and only 58 against. That's where we'd like to have him but players have up and down years.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner is still quite easily the leafs 2nd best dman.

Gardiner is still quite easily the leafs 2nd best dman.
- ClarksonDavid

Last year, he was their best. And if you compare him to guys like Burns, Keith, Doughty, Karlsson; he had less giveaways than all of them. This year, he's taken a step back but at 27 years old, his best years could still be ahead of him.

Last year, he was their best. And if you compare him to guys like Burns, Keith, Doughty, Karlsson; he had less giveaways than all of them. This year, he's taken a step back but at 27 years old, his best years could still be ahead of him.
- Unholy_Goalie

He would need to be paired with a solid stay at home dman

Are there any of those left?

Gardiner is still quite easily the leafs 2nd best dman.
- ClarksonDavid

Bosh!
Flimshaw!

He would need to be paired with a solid stay at home dman

Are there any of those left?
- mr.sir

Stay at home, in the NHL today, means you're chasing the play instead of controlling it. The game has changed. You need guys that can pass and skate otherwise you're letting the other team dictate the play. This is why Polak and guys like him suck.

Gardiner is still quite easily the leafs 2nd best dman.
- ClarksonDavid

Complete D are nice to have. If Gardiner was one he would easily be a top pairing D. Sadly he isn't, Which makes him a good second pairing D.

It's pretty crazy how everyone expects only Matthews and Doughtys on this team. Rielly even got a bunch of flak for the past two games even though he was probably the best player on the ice both game

Leaf fans are crazy

Stay at home, in the NHL today, means you're chasing the play instead of controlling it. The game has changed. You need guys that can pass and skate otherwise you're letting the other team dictate the play. This is why Polak and guys like him suck.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gards just needs a solid top 4 dman to play with. It would be nice to get one more. Ps. Hainsey has fit in well with Reilly. I never thought Hainsey was this good

Hjalmarsson is a reliable stop gap until Dermott is ready to play 2nd pair LD
- mr.sir

I wanted him in the summer, however I think the Hawks knew more than Arizona did. And that is he has a lot of mileage on him and with the type of game he plays it's catching up to him.

I was pretty curious that the Hawks took an unappealing package for him. Now I know why.

I still wouldn't mind him at a low cost. Probably a really good 5 who can PK

Gards just needs a solid top 4 dman to play with. It would be nice to get one more. Ps. Hainsey has fit in well with Reilly. I never thought Hainsey was this good
- mykokes

I really like Z, not with Gardiner though.

I wish Z and Gards split time on the PP.

Gards just needs a solid top 4 dman to play with. It would be nice to get one more. Ps. Hainsey has fit in well with Reilly. I never thought Hainsey was this good
- mykokes

Gardiner just needs better decision making. Last year, he was great. This year, he's trying too hard.

Hainsey is decent but he's not perfect either. He's been on the ice for plenty of goals against and gives the puck away plenty too. He's basically Hunwick. Not great, not terrible, just alright.

Luuuuucaas, Luuuuucaas. Come back. We need another Leaf blogger!

Gardiner (frank)in' sucks.

(frank) Gardiner.

If you don't think he sucks then you suck at evaluating hockey players.

To CGY: van Riemsdyk, Bozak, Polak

To TOR: Bennett, Backlund, Stone

Hamonic has been ordinary in Calgary
- mykokes

The entirety of the "best defense in the NHL" has looked mediocre.

Complete D are nice to have. If Gardiner was one he would easily be a top pairing D. Sadly he isn't, Which makes him a good second pairing D.

It's pretty crazy how everyone expects only Matthews and Doughtys on this team. Rielly even got a bunch of flak for the past two games even though he was probably the best player on the ice both game

Leaf fans are crazy
- Santo_44

And now they're pissed off at Babcock because he doesn't do the lineup like they would. Lol @ Laffs fans.

That's an exaggeration and doesn't take into account his positive attributes.

Gardiner is 2nd in assists and points among Leaf defenders and he's been on the ice for 49 goals for and 42 goals against. Could he give the puck away less? Absolutely, but, he's still more positive than he is negative. Last year, he was on the ice for 109 goals for and only 58 against. That's where we'd like to have him but players have up and down years.
- Unholy_Goalie

yes

Gardiner just needs better decision making. Last year, he was great. This year, he's trying too hard.

Hainsey is decent but he's not perfect either. He's been on the ice for plenty of goals against and gives the puck away plenty too. He's basically Hunwick. Not great, not terrible, just alright.
- Unholy_Goalie

yes

You can tell Kadri has dropped quite a bit down the pecking (naturally) order since the kids arrived. 19 games with 1pt and not much is being said about him in the media.
Him, Marner and Nylander need to get their crap together for the 2nd half (goal scoring wise).

Andersen too, he hasnt been bad but isnt stealing games lately...and with our D, he needs to.

To CGY: van Riemsdyk, Bozak, Polak

To TOR: Bennett, Backlund, Stone
- Unholy_Goalie

3 expiring contracts and 1 garbage player for a 21 year RFA with one more year, an upcoming UFA and a dman with 2 more years of contract.

Ya not gonna happen at all.

Gardiner just needs better decision making. Last year, he was great. This year, he's trying too hard.

Hainsey is decent but he's not perfect either. He's been on the ice for plenty of goals against and gives the puck away plenty too. He's basically Hunwick. Not great, not terrible, just alright.
- Unholy_Goalie

Even last year he made some stupid on ice decisions...just not as many. He's simply not a smart hockey player.
Hainsey has been one of our better Dmen overall this season. Better then hunwick and a pleasant surprise

Complete D are nice to have. If Gardiner was one he would easily be a top pairing D. Sadly he isn't, Which makes him a good second pairing D.

It's pretty crazy how everyone expects only Matthews and Doughtys on this team. Rielly even got a bunch of flak for the past two games even though he was probably the best player on the ice both game

Leaf fans are crazy
- Santo_44

Rielly was decent for sure...but made some bonehead plays that cost the leafs two games. But he wasnt alone.

That's an exaggeration and doesn't take into account his positive attributes.

Gardiner is 2nd in assists and points among Leaf defenders and he's been on the ice for 49 goals for and 42 goals against. Could he give the puck away less? Absolutely, but, he's still more positive than he is negative. Last year, he was on the ice for 109 goals for and only 58 against. That's where we'd like to have him but players have up and down years.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner gives the puck away up ice, making plays. I'll take that over a guy who can't skate it out or make a clean pass, and rims it off the glass every time; rinse and repeat.

Going to see my first Leafs game at the ACC in February boys, against TBL.

I haven't been to a Leafs game since... TBL's expansion year in '93